HDR Discussion Thread

[mzupeman]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Penton, you've referenced Matty Libatique up in here more than once and when watching A Star is Born earlier today (SDR, Sony 4K projector albeit 2K DCP) I had to laugh when I realised mid-scene that was him playing the photographer in the photo shoot scene with Gaga.

What does this have to with HDR? Lemme just say that I cannot wait to see this movie on UHD, there are so many blown highlights throughout and if the HDR can improve those - even just a lil' bit, I don't need to see every filament in every bulb to get my HDR rocks off - then it's going to look even more stunning, what with all of that bold colour that's already there. I actually thought it was shot on film, such is the texture that the image holds and I even spotted a trace of density flutter - but no, it was shot on Alexa! If this didn't have some kind of film emulation LUT I'll be amazed.

Nothing. None of it has to do with HDR at all. I’ve questioned it, and the response was ‘well the movie will eventually be released in HDR, hur hur hur!’ I subsequently reported the several posts at a time spamming that tends to be severely off topic, and yet here we are. The UHD section of the forum has been sliding downhill quite rapidly as of late.

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by Staying Salty

But I did sail these waters exactly one year apart

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I've got those. Also have the Order of the Ditch and the Spanish Main. I never did get the Order of the Rock though. Or a Golden Dragon.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by mzupeman

Nothing. None of it has to do with HDR at all. I’ve questioned it, and the response was ‘well the movie will eventually be released in HDR, hur hur hur!’ I subsequently reported the several posts at a time spamming that tends to be severely off topic, and yet here we are. The UHD section of the forum has been sliding downhill quite rapidly as of late.

Fine, report away, but you don't have to be here. I know that the constant Midway/Top Gun spamming is annoying but HDR isn't a new thing any more, there's only so much new ground to be covered and with a thread that's had over 1½ MILLION views in just 2½ years then the contributors are clearly doing something right.

What are you expecting though? An amazing technical paper or insight with every post? The ins and outs of HDR have been done to death in this thread (with the coals being raked over again in the "HDR is crayons" thread in the 4K software forum) so I'm not surprised there's been a bit more divergence lately. You could always go back and read it from the start

[mzupeman]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Fine, report away, but you don't have to be here. I know that the constant Midway/Top Gun spamming is annoying but HDR isn't a new thing any more, there's only so much new ground to be covered and with a thread that's had over 1½ MILLION views in just 2½ years then the contributors are clearly doing something right.

What are you expecting though? An amazing technical paper or insight with every post? The ins and outs of HDR have been done to death in this thread (with the coals being raked over again in the "HDR is crayons" thread in the 4K software forum) so I'm not surprised there's been a bit more divergence lately. You could always go back and read it from the start

Is that an excuse for such a derailment though? Maybe just leave the thread be then. It seems the movie section is more suitable for all the other stuff Top Gun related.

[Geoff D]

This thread has always been a bit of a catch-all for anything remotely HDR related and it regularly veers far away from the topic at hand. Reminds me of when footy-related matters were discussed and other members started squealing about how it was all such a heinous transgression. I have the same reaction now as I did then: get a grip and don't be so bloody precious.

The world of HDR is what it is, we've had a good couple of years to get to grapple with it so now it's more about incremental changes and improvements rather than raging torrents of fact-filled discourse. If you wanna start talking about HDR then please come up with a topic to get the ball rolling.

[Adrian Wright]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Reminds me of when footy-related matters were discussed and other members started squealing about how it was all such a heinous transgression. I have the same reaction now as I did then: get a grip and don't be so bloody precious.

I remember this, being one of the mardy bums that reported it at the time. I do agree with Geoff here though, the HDR topic does seem to have been covered ad infinitum and I do find that this topic now encompasses 'most' things related to HDR.

Now if you want to see some major rubbish, I do recall a thread about HDR being compared to a childs writing implement. For the love of god, please go and report that and leave this thread be

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

This thread has always been a bit of a catch-all for anything remotely HDR related and it regularly veers far away from the topic at hand. Reminds me of when footy-related matters were discussed and other members started squealing about how it was all such a heinous transgression. I have the same reaction now as I did then: get a grip and don't be so bloody precious.

The world of HDR is what it is, we've had a good couple of years to get to grapple with it so now it's more about incremental changes and improvements rather than raging torrents of fact-filled discourse. If you wanna start talking about HDR then please come up with a topic to get the ball rolling.

I view it this way…..at least the on topic as well as occasional divergent off topic socialization between the contributing members of this thread is accurate which I personally find much more valuable rather than sifting thru mounds and mounds of purely ‘on topic’ posts on other threads which are either blatantly incorrect or uneducated speculation before finding someone who actually knows what he’s talking about. Big waste of time for someone who actually has a busy professional and personal life.

And with regards to purely 100% on topic, if some are unappreciative of how we've been on the cutting edge of HDR from the get-go as compared to how no other AV forums alerted folks to this - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ar#post9754213 prior to that date (and hobbyists being clueless as to its eventual significance at the time) and the fact that we (I) continue to do so with issues such as ICtCp – https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post15572870 , well then, that’s just a plain sad state of affairs for those seeking to learn something new as compared to what self-serving studio people feed AV journalists.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Adrian Wright

I remember this, being one of the mardy bums that reported it at the time. I do agree with Geoff here though, the HDR topic does seem to have been covered ad infinitum and I do find that this topic now encompasses 'most' things related to HDR.

Now if you want to see some major rubbish, I do recall a thread about HDR being compared to a childs writing implement. For the love of god, please go and report that and leave this thread be

I know you were. A Geoffy never forgets.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Penton, you've referenced Matty Libatique up in here more than once and when watching A Star is Born earlier today.....

I have, good man –
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...y#post15134290
Hell, there’s more ‘on topic’ cutting edge material just in the hyperlinks of that ^ post to keep serious folks interested in, than in 30 pages of some of these on topic ‘debates’ we see too often.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Adrian Wright

leave this thread be

thank you

[Waboman]

Believe it or not, going off topic is actually beneficial for the health, longevity and vibrancy of a thread. Now let's all do a shot of tequila and relax. Let the agave work its magic. And if we do enough agave the whole world will be in HDR.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

This thread has always been a bit of a catch-all for anything remotely HDR related and it regularly veers far away from the topic at hand.....

And with purposeful challenging Food for Thought posts like so, which nobody else, anywhere, due to the technological mechanics, has previously considered about Ultra HD Blu-ray –

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Food for thought: Since it only requires a little more than 10 MB to add HDR10+ metadata to a disc (for a 2 hr. movie), will Ultra HD Blu-ray discs be coming out anytime soon from any studio including Dolby Vision, HDR10+ and HDR10 all on the same disc?

We draw the

Top Gun Movie Clip "Best of the Best" - YouTube

to make them better , e.g. - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...d#post15541004

P.S.

Originally Posted by Waboman

Believe it or not, going off topic is actually beneficial for the health, longevity and vibrancy of a thread. Now let's all do a shot of tequila and relax.

or, as tribute to y’all know who –

[mzupeman]

Far be it from me to rock the boat too much. I won’t do any further reporting in this thread if this is indeed the way it’s been surviving/thriving after all this time.

That’s not to say I don’t disagree with how the thread carries on, but, whatever.

As someone who never really frequented this thread before since my tv didn’t have great HDR capabilities (even if the tone mapping was great), when I came in recently, the first thing I saw was literally several posts in a row by the same person, and none of it had anything to do with HDR. I see the argument that going off topic is beneficial for the survival of a thread, but that’s totally not true, at least from my experience. It’s actually a great way to dissuade newcomers from entering the conversation with their own thoughts and opinions. And that much was proven when I was basically met with the ‘you don’t like it, you don’t have to be here’ mentality. This is a thread, not an exclusionary club.

So no, I don’t think off-topic conversation allows threads to actually thrive. It only allows people who already have been posting in said thread to continue doing so because they’ve grown accustomed to it. So there’s a trade-off there… while the thread lives on through off-topic conversation, growth is stunted. I mean, the basic code of internet forums is stay on topic, and if something is off topic, find a thread where it WILL be on point. “But then this thread would die” doesn’t really hold a lot of water, at least in my opinion.

Think of it this way: Geoff also suggested that if I wanted to find relevant stuff regarding this HDR conversation, I could go back to the beginning of the thread and read from there. But again, having wandered into this thread and seeing nothing but off-topic spam, what incentive do I have to do that? All a newcomer like me is going to think is, “Oh, great, this is the kind of crap I have to wade through in order to find relevant info? No thanks.” Just another reason why I believe off-topic discourse is more of a detriment than anything. I’ve spent years moderating and administrating at other super busy forums and I’ve seen the same mentality applied to threads in those places. It’s just the slowest form of death for a thread, not a revitalization.

But alas, these are my opinions and mine alone, clearly. No hard feelings… as I said, don’t really want to upset the balance of things. I’ll keep my mouth shut as far as this thread is concerned from now on. If any of you are ever in upstate New York, hit me up and I’ll buy you a beer to make amends.

[harry keogh]

Some will always remain more frail than others, afraid to jump on in if it isn't exactly how they want it.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by harry keogh

Some will always remain more frail than others, afraid to jump on in if it isn't exactly how they want it.

True , plenty of opportunities here for any detractors/complainers to chime in and offer us up their opinions with regards to unique HDR contemplations, rather than always relying on the regulars for leadership, for example, following this query - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post15506252

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Or, the value of choosing a low noise (compared to some other cameras, thusly not necessitating the use of DNR, a topic which just came up today on another thread - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...r#post15633435), superb dynamic range camera with versatile built-in 8-step optical ND filter to capture this scene which I posted previously and which TMZ paparazzi (http://www.tmz.com/2018/05/31/tom-cr...ilming-begins/) never did get a decent side-by-side shot of -



(half the airfield having to be shut down for this scene which was NOTAM’d)

In addition to this ^ time on the bike, there were also multiple takes during sunset (motorcycle rider is arrowed with chase camera vehicle following behind). For those not realizing the association with sunset and HDR, play the video I reposted recently a few pages back of a past event at Dolby London's screening theatre along with the video of Claudio’s interview at Dolby Hollywood’s screening theatre. -



~ 2 sec. later……


(Point Loma in the background)

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Waboman

Now let's all do a shot of tequila and relax.

^
To be clear, it may well come in handy in the future to remember this particular aviator term for Top Gun: Maverick

Top Gun Movie Clip "Is that Clear ?" - YouTube

so as to tell folks in 2020, you heard it here (on Blu-ray.com) first.

[Penton-Man]

....now back to work for those of us who bring home the bacon.
later

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by mzupeman

Far be it from me to rock the boat too much. I won’t do any further reporting in this thread if this is indeed the way it’s been surviving/thriving after all this time.

That’s not to say I don’t disagree with how the thread carries on, but, whatever.

As someone who never really frequented this thread before since my tv didn’t have great HDR capabilities (even if the tone mapping was great), when I came in recently, the first thing I saw was literally several posts in a row by the same person, and none of it had anything to do with HDR. I see the argument that going off topic is beneficial for the survival of a thread, but that’s totally not true, at least from my experience. It’s actually a great way to dissuade newcomers from entering the conversation with their own thoughts and opinions. And that much was proven when I was basically met with the ‘you don’t like it, you don’t have to be here’ mentality. This is a thread, not an exclusionary club.

So no, I don’t think off-topic conversation allows threads to actually thrive. It only allows people who already have been posting in said thread to continue doing so because they’ve grown accustomed to it. So there’s a trade-off there… while the thread lives on through off-topic conversation, growth is stunted. I mean, the basic code of internet forums is stay on topic, and if something is off topic, find a thread where it WILL be on point. “But then this thread would die” doesn’t really hold a lot of water, at least in my opinion.

Think of it this way: Geoff also suggested that if I wanted to find relevant stuff regarding this HDR conversation, I could go back to the beginning of the thread and read from there. But again, having wandered into this thread and seeing nothing but off-topic spam, what incentive do I have to do that? All a newcomer like me is going to think is, “Oh, great, this is the kind of crap I have to wade through in order to find relevant info? No thanks.” Just another reason why I believe off-topic discourse is more of a detriment than anything. I’ve spent years moderating and administrating at other super busy forums and I’ve seen the same mentality applied to threads in those places. It’s just the slowest form of death for a thread, not a revitalization.

But alas, these are my opinions and mine alone, clearly. No hard feelings… as I said, don’t really want to upset the balance of things. I’ll keep my mouth shut as far as this thread is concerned from now on. If any of you are ever in upstate New York, hit me up and I’ll buy you a beer to make amends.

To be honest zupe, I had the bolded in the back of my mind during your recent protestations, that it can't have been a coincidence that you get an HDR light cannon and then all of a sudden start complaining that this HDR Discussion thread don't do much HDR discussioning. But I didn't want to mention it lest it sounded a bit too snidey and a bit too points-scory, not that that's stopped me before, but I didn't wanna assume too much. I gave you too much credit for that.

You've gotta bear in mind that this really is how this thread rolls, bruce may have started it but Penton is very much the keeper of the flame (it's Club Penton mk. 2 in all but name) and most people are grateful enough for all the technological insights that they take the various trips off the reservation in their stride. For newcomers it will undoubtedly be confusing but, again I ask, what it is you're actually after with HDR specifically that would lead you to look in this thread in the first place? "HDR Discussion" is kind of a wide-ranging title, even if it was all entirely on-topic there would be plenty of different discussions regarding what HDR is and what HDR does which, as I said, is currently being debated in the crayons thread anyway.

[D00mM4r1n3]

Originally Posted by mzupeman

Far be it from me to rock the boat too much. I won’t do any further reporting in this thread if this is indeed the way it’s been surviving/thriving after all this time.

That’s not to say I don’t disagree with how the thread carries on, but, whatever.

As someone who never really frequented this thread before since my tv didn’t have great HDR capabilities (even if the tone mapping was great), when I came in recently, the first thing I saw was literally several posts in a row by the same person, and none of it had anything to do with HDR. I see the argument that going off topic is beneficial for the survival of a thread, but that’s totally not true, at least from my experience. It’s actually a great way to dissuade newcomers from entering the conversation with their own thoughts and opinions. And that much was proven when I was basically met with the ‘you don’t like it, you don’t have to be here’ mentality. This is a thread, not an exclusionary club.

So no, I don’t think off-topic conversation allows threads to actually thrive. It only allows people who already have been posting in said thread to continue doing so because they’ve grown accustomed to it. So there’s a trade-off there… while the thread lives on through off-topic conversation, growth is stunted. I mean, the basic code of internet forums is stay on topic, and if something is off topic, find a thread where it WILL be on point. “But then this thread would die” doesn’t really hold a lot of water, at least in my opinion.

Think of it this way: Geoff also suggested that if I wanted to find relevant stuff regarding this HDR conversation, I could go back to the beginning of the thread and read from there. But again, having wandered into this thread and seeing nothing but off-topic spam, what incentive do I have to do that? All a newcomer like me is going to think is, “Oh, great, this is the kind of crap I have to wade through in order to find relevant info? No thanks.” Just another reason why I believe off-topic discourse is more of a detriment than anything. I’ve spent years moderating and administrating at other super busy forums and I’ve seen the same mentality applied to threads in those places. It’s just the slowest form of death for a thread, not a revitalization.

But alas, these are my opinions and mine alone, clearly. No hard feelings… as I said, don’t really want to upset the balance of things. I’ll keep my mouth shut as far as this thread is concerned from now on. If any of you are ever in upstate New York, hit me up and I’ll buy you a beer to make amends.

I recommend adding GeoffD to your blocked user list for this site, you will enjoy the site much more. I say this from experience.