Black Panther 4K UHD (2018)

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Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

Lol, it's always so cute when people call a film a 'game changer.' It's not.

Modern films, especially blockbusters, are made on an assembly line, with happy meal/action figure tie-ins, and then they're forgotten a couple months after their release.

A "game changer" is '2001: A Space Odyssey.' Something that has stood the test of time for decades, and continues to inspire modern filmmakers in ways that films from the 2000s never could.

'Black Panther', while solid, and finally featuring a large amount of black culture, cast and crew members, is still just a silly comic book movie at the end of the day. With the same Marvel schlocky humor, and unbelievably bad-rendered CGI sequences.

Not everything needs to be a space odyssey or There will be blood, to be a great cinematic experience. Same way I feel bad for the guys I talk to at car meets about my R8 or getting a 488GTB soon and hearing them say "well I only like my e30 m3"... Like you've missed decades of amazing car experiences and yes they all change and some are not as lauded as others, and some are complete duds. But to sample them all is an experience in its own right.

What makes a movie a classic or revelation is just that. That there are so many others that are different from it and unique in their own respects, that when you do get a unique movie as you mentioned, it sets the truly special experiences a little higher.

[2pacalypsenow]

Originally Posted by flyry

This film is the game changer. We've already had 2.5 Avengers movies.

IW has it's work cut out for it to be better than this.

It was a good Marvel movie but definitely not a game changer imo, Iron Man(2008) was a game changer for the future of marvel movies.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by 2pacalypsenow

Iron Man(2008) was a game changer for the future of marvel movies.

Being that after it, they existed and before it, they did not? Yeah, you can't get much more "game changer-y" than that.

[2pacalypsenow]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Being that after it, they existed and before it, they did not? Yeah, you can't get much more "game changer-y" than that.

Marvel movies started getting popular with X-Men in 2000 and then Spider Man in 2002, but Iron Man kick started the whole Marvel Universe we now enjoy. Just my opinion.

[SwaGGInTheShadows]

Originally Posted by 2pacalypsenow

Marvel movies started getting popular with X-Men in 2000 and then Spider Man in 2002, but Iron started kick started the whole Marvel Universe we now enjoy. Just my opinion.

He knows what you mean. And you're right!.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by 2pacalypsenow

Marvel movies started getting popular with X-Men in 2000 and then Spider Man in 2002, but Iron Man kick started the whole Marvel Universe we now enjoy. Just my opinion.

Ok. I thought you meant movies produced by Marvel, not movies based on Marvel-originated properties.

[Nothing371]

Originally Posted by 2pacalypsenow

It was a good Marvel movie but definitely not a game changer imo, Iron Man(2008) was a game changer for the future of marvel movies.

Yup, before Iron Man, Spider-Man, and to a lesser extent X-men and other early gen stuff, Hollywood was certain that super hero movies weren't worth making because they wouldn't become money-makers. My how things have changed. Look at the box office numbers from 2017 and almost everything is a super hero movie. The market is flooded. Everything is shifting towards the Marvel model, including Star Wars. It's kind of sad really.

I enjoy Marvel movies as much as anyone but I want to see other stuff being made with different visions, too. (Black Panther is a much-welcomed addition and I don't mean to include it under this umbrella.)

[pottyaboutpotter1]

This film is a game changer for several reasons:

Yes, it's not the first superhero movie with a black lead but it's the first with a predominantly black cast (there are only six white actors who have prominent speaking roles in the entire film).

It's also the first superhero film with a black lead in the modern wave of superhero movies that's actually suitable for children; Blade and Hancock were more aimed at adults.

It's one of few major blockbusters to be written by black writers and directed by a black director.

It's a film that goes against the notion that Africa is somehow less civilised or advanced than the West, one that the media has helped push. It also celebrates African culture.

The film makes the question of what it means to be black in the modern day the centre of it's story and conflict. The battle between Black Panther and Killmonger's ideologies is basically a better version of what X-Men tried to do, in which the film is an allegory for the conflict between Martin Luther King and Malcolm X's ideologies (one believes peace is the right path, the other believes that you can't make a change if you don't fight for it).

The film features a significant step forward for the MCU by being the first MCU film where the lead is not (or played by in Thor's case) a white man. It is also the first MCU film not directed by a white man.

The film has strongly developed female characters, treats it's female characters as equal to it's male characters and features the MCU's first black female heroes in Shuri, Nakia and Okoye (Gamora doesn't really count as she's a green alien played by a black actress).

The film directly addresses several complaints with the MCU and fixes them. The score is memorable, the villain has clear motivations and is well developed and there is less bathos (humour that undercuts serious moments). This indicates a tonal shift in the MCU and that Marvel is changing things up, supporting their statements that the MCU will be completely different after Infinity War/Avengers 4.

The film has sparked an entire movement and has disproven the notion once and for all that films with black leads won't succeed at the box office, with Black Panther well on track to grossing over $900 million worldwide. Perhaps even $1 billion. This paves the way for even more black superhero films; Falcon, Cyborg, Green Lantern, War Machine etc.

While the quality of the film, it is very good, has something to do with it being a game changer, it's more to do with what it represents and what it means for the film industry going forwards. The film is a game changer; but to see why you have to look beyond your opinion of the film's quality and see what it represents. Like Wonder Woman, what the film means to audiences and the message it sends to the industry makes it a game changer. Just check out all the videos of black audiences going nuts for the film (audiences in Africa have been celebrating the film) to see why this is a game changer. Black Panther does for black audiences what Wonder Woman did for women last year.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

[Show spoiler]This film is a game changer for several reasons:

Yes, it's not the first superhero movie with a black lead but it's the first with a predominantly black cast (there are only six white actors who have prominent speaking roles in the entire film).

It's also the first superhero film with a black lead in the modern wave of superhero movies that's actually suitable for children; Blade and Hancock were more aimed at adults.

It's one of few major blockbusters to be written by black writers and directed by a black director.

It's a film that goes against the notion that Africa is somehow less civilised or advanced than the West, one that the media has helped push. It also celebrates African culture.

The film makes the question of what it means to be black in the modern day the centre of it's story and conflict. The battle between Black Panther and Killmonger's ideologies is basically a better version of what X-Men tried to do, in which the film is an allegory for the conflict between Martin Luther King and Malcolm X's ideologies (one believes peace is the right path, the other believes that you can't make a change if you don't fight for it).

The film features a significant step forward for the MCU by being the first MCU film where the lead is not (or played by in Thor's case) a white man. It is also the first MCU film not directed by a white man.

The film has strongly developed female characters, treats it's female characters as equal to it's male characters and features the MCU's first black female heroes in Shuri, Nakia and Okoye (Gamora doesn't really count as she's a green alien played by a black actress).

The film directly addresses several complaints with the MCU and fixes them. The score is memorable, the villain has clear motivations and is well developed and there is less bathos (humour that undercuts serious moments). This indicates a tonal shift in the MCU and that Marvel is changing things up, supporting their statements that the MCU will be completely different after Infinity War/Avengers 4.

The film has sparked an entire movement and has disproven the notion once and for all that films with black leads won't succeed at the box office, with Black Panther well on track to grossing over $900 million worldwide. Perhaps even $1 billion. This paves the way for even more black superhero films; Falcon, Cyborg, Green Lantern, War Machine etc.

While the quality of the film, it is very good, has something to do with it being a game changer, it's more to do with what it represents and what it means for the film industry going forwards. The film is a game changer; but to see why you have to look beyond your opinion of the film's quality and see what it represents. Like Wonder Woman, what the film means to audiences and the message it sends to the industry makes it a game changer. Just check out all the videos of black audiences going nuts for the film (audiences in Africa have been celebrating the film) to see why this is a game changer. Black Panther does for black audiences what Wonder Woman did for women last year.]

You said it better than I could, even though the mods deleted my post celebrating this movie's "pure black excellence" for some reason.

[Geoff D]

That post should've stayed solely for the usage of "pure black excellence", I'm as white as they get but I loved that line.

[SwaGGInTheShadows]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

This film is a game changer for several reasons:

Yes, it's not the first superhero movie with a black lead but it's the first with a predominantly black cast (there are only six white actors who have prominent speaking roles in the entire film).

It's also the first superhero film with a black lead in the modern wave of superhero movies that's actually suitable for children; Blade and Hancock were more aimed at adults.

It's one of few major blockbusters to be written by black writers and directed by a black director.

It's a film that goes against the notion that Africa is somehow less civilised or advanced than the West, one that the media has helped push. It also celebrates African culture.

The film makes the question of what it means to be black in the modern day the centre of it's story and conflict. The battle between Black Panther and Killmonger's ideologies is basically a better version of what X-Men tried to do, in which the film is an allegory for the conflict between Martin Luther King and Malcolm X's ideologies (one believes peace is the right path, the other believes that you can't make a change if you don't fight for it).

The film features a significant step forward for the MCU by being the first MCU film where the lead is not (or played by in Thor's case) a white man. It is also the first MCU film not directed by a white man.

The film has strongly developed female characters, treats it's female characters as equal to it's male characters and features the MCU's first black female heroes in Shuri, Nakia and Okoye (Gamora doesn't really count as she's a green alien played by a black actress).

The film directly addresses several complaints with the MCU and fixes them. The score is memorable, the villain has clear motivations and is well developed and there is less bathos (humour that undercuts serious moments). This indicates a tonal shift in the MCU and that Marvel is changing things up, supporting their statements that the MCU will be completely different after Infinity War/Avengers 4.

The film has sparked an entire movement and has disproven the notion once and for all that films with black leads won't succeed at the box office, with Black Panther well on track to grossing over $900 million worldwide. Perhaps even $1 billion. This paves the way for even more black superhero films; Falcon, Cyborg, Green Lantern, War Machine etc.

While the quality of the film, it is very good, has something to do with it being a game changer, it's more to do with what it represents and what it means for the film industry going forwards. The film is a game changer; but to see why you have to look beyond your opinion of the film's quality and see what it represents. Like Wonder Woman, what the film means to audiences and the message it sends to the industry makes it a game changer. Just check out all the videos of black audiences going nuts for the film (audiences in Africa have been celebrating the film) to see why this is a game changer. Black Panther does for black audiences what Wonder Woman did for women last year.

My word. We might have had creative differences on Justice League(STAY AWAY FROM THE THREAD OF YOU HAVENT BEEN. ..lol)... but sweet Baby JC..... you truly eloquently constructed my thoughts... but maaaaaan... the more i read, the prettier those words!!!!

My men will fight with you, when you need them!!!!

[TheSweetieMan]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

[Show spoiler]This film is a game changer for several reasons:

Yes, it's not the first superhero movie with a black lead but it's the first with a predominantly black cast (there are only six white actors who have prominent speaking roles in the entire film).

It's also the first superhero film with a black lead in the modern wave of superhero movies that's actually suitable for children; Blade and Hancock were more aimed at adults.

It's one of few major blockbusters to be written by black writers and directed by a black director.

It's a film that goes against the notion that Africa is somehow less civilised or advanced than the West, one that the media has helped push. It also celebrates African culture.

The film makes the question of what it means to be black in the modern day the centre of it's story and conflict. The battle between Black Panther and Killmonger's ideologies is basically a better version of what X-Men tried to do, in which the film is an allegory for the conflict between Martin Luther King and Malcolm X's ideologies (one believes peace is the right path, the other believes that you can't make a change if you don't fight for it).

The film features a significant step forward for the MCU by being the first MCU film where the lead is not (or played by in Thor's case) a white man. It is also the first MCU film not directed by a white man.

The film has strongly developed female characters, treats it's female characters as equal to it's male characters and features the MCU's first black female heroes in Shuri, Nakia and Okoye (Gamora doesn't really count as she's a green alien played by a black actress).

The film directly addresses several complaints with the MCU and fixes them. The score is memorable, the villain has clear motivations and is well developed and there is less bathos (humour that undercuts serious moments). This indicates a tonal shift in the MCU and that Marvel is changing things up, supporting their statements that the MCU will be completely different after Infinity War/Avengers 4.

The film has sparked an entire movement and has disproven the notion once and for all that films with black leads won't succeed at the box office, with Black Panther well on track to grossing over $900 million worldwide. Perhaps even $1 billion. This paves the way for even more black superhero films; Falcon, Cyborg, Green Lantern, War Machine etc.

While the quality of the film, it is very good, has something to do with it being a game changer, it's more to do with what it represents and what it means for the film industry going forwards. The film is a game changer; but to see why you have to look beyond your opinion of the film's quality and see what it represents. Like Wonder Woman, what the film means to audiences and the message it sends to the industry makes it a game changer. Just check out all the videos of black audiences going nuts for the film (audiences in Africa have been celebrating the film) to see why this is a game changer. Black Panther does for black audiences what Wonder Woman did for women last year.

I've already pointed out that I think it's great the film was made with predominantly people of color, while also celebrating the history and culture, that comes with that.

But, as a film, it's not a game changer. One week later, and a far more memorable film in 'Annihilation' just came out. That would be considered more of a 'game changer' by anyone that can analyze a film based solely on its artistic merits rather than its social or political significance.

I'm sure BLACK PANTHER certainly opens the doors for people of color to get more opportunities at tentpole sized films--but when you consider they're still basically made with 'group think' conglomerates, it may not be that big of a deal, anyway.

I'd rather watch Coogler make films like 'Fruitvale Station' than Black Panther.

Also, LEWL @ the Wonder Woman comment.

Lexi Alexander made a superhero film, what, ten years ago? People conveniently overlook stuff like that, too. For some strange, weird reason, people have become more racially and gender divided more than ever before. All of these 'celebrations' and 'barriers' being broke down are starting to feel manufactured and disingenuous. It also does a disservice to the aforementioned Lexi Alexander, who is a talented filmmaker in her own right, as well as the other several black-led superhero films I mentioned from years past.

[guachi]

From a quality stand point, I was disappointed in the CGI. Too many corners cut.

From a cinema experience, it was top notch. Right up there with seeing a movie in a packed San Francisco theater.

I'm white. I grew up in Montana. Lowest black population percentage of any state (0.5%). I now live (because of the military) in Augusta, Georgia (50+% black). Previously I lived in Prince Georges county, Maryland (wealthiest black majority county in America).

The theater was packed. The crowd went nuts. It helped a lot, I think, that Black Panther was always a black superhero, not some superhero that was made popular while white and then made black.

Overall, I feel the movie was good, but not great. However, it's definitely different (like GOTG or Wonder Woman) so it'll deservedly get a higher box office.

[SwaGGInTheShadows]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

I've already pointed out that I think it's great the film was made with predominantly people of color, while also celebrating the history and culture, that comes with that.

But, as a film, it's not a game changer. One week later, and a far more memorable film in 'Annihilation' just came out. That would be considered more of a 'game changer' by anyone that can analyze a film based solely on its artistic merits rather than its social or political significance.

I'm sure BLACK PANTHER certainly opens the doors for people of color to get more opportunities at tentpole sized films--but when you consider they're still basically made with 'group think' conglomerates, it may not be that big of a deal, anyway.

I'd rather watch Coogler make films like 'Fruitvale Station' than Black Panther.

Also, LEWL @ the Wonder Woman comment.

Lexi Alexander made a superhero film, what, ten years ago? People conveniently overlook stuff like that, too. For some strange, weird reason, people have become more racially and gender divided more than ever before. All of these 'celebrations' and 'barriers' being broke down are starting to feel manufactured and disingenuous. It also does a disservice to the aforementioned Lexi Alexander, who is a talented filmmaker in her own right, as well as the other several black-led superhero films I mentioned from years past.

Well thank Goodness its not upto you.

And for the record...ANNIHILATION isnt a gamechanger....its Aliens meet Arrival with Ghostbuster sqaud elements..lol..i LOVED it by the way but domt kid yourself

We do appreciate your opinion tho, well i do kinda

[TheSweetieMan]

Learn what context is. Then grammar. Then you can realize I didn't call 'Annihilation' a game changer, but merely pointed out that it is, compared to a film, that regardless of its diverse creative talent and casting, is still a Marvel comic book film, with the same style of humor and overproduced CGI action sequences, as any comic book film that came before it.

[SwaGGInTheShadows]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

Learn what context is. Then grammar. Then you can realize I didn't call 'Annihilation' a game changer, but merely pointed out that it is, compared to a film, that regardless of its diverse creative talent and casting, is still a Marvel comic book film, with the same style of humor and overproduced CGI action sequences, as any comic book film that came before it.

Hahahaha seriously?
Its deeper than just being a black superhero.if PottyaboutPotters post didnt help you see it, than its layers, themes truly went over your head.

Like i said, you arent wrong for having an opinion, but why consider ANNIHILATION a game changer but not BP?

"But, as a film, it's not a game changer. One week later, and a far more memorable film in 'Annihilation' just came out. That would be considered more of a 'game changer' by anyone that can analyze a film based solely on its artistic merits rather than its social or political significance"

Without deconstructing, its literally an all female mature ghostbusters living in a modified Arrival/Alien universe.

Both movies are awesome for their genres

I feel your taking away/not giving it its credit just because it is a Marvel movie.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

But, as a film, it's not a game changer.

It's the fifth-biggest opening of all time, with an almost all black cast and a black writer/director.

That defines a game-changer. It's not the only kind of game-changer, but it's definitely one.

[TheSweetieMan]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

It's the fifth-biggest opening of all time, with an almost all black cast and a black writer/director.

That defines a game-changer. It's not the only kind of game-changer, but it's definitely one.

I guess the term 'game changer' gets thrown around very loosely these days.

I could've directed 'Black Panther', and it still would've opened number one during its opening weekend.

Why?

Because similar to STAR WARS, the MCU has established a full-proof brand.

I know you--and others on here--will laugh at this specific post, while simultaneously assuming that I'm trying to downplay the success of 'Back Panther', but I'm not.

A 'game changer', in the sense of the film world, is something that withstands the test of time. It inspires future generations of artists due to its longevity and worldwide inspiration. That's where a film like '2001' comes to mind. Or, 'Citizen Kane.'

'Black Panther' will never be anywhere close to those films. It's not even going to be the best film of the year. It's not even the best film of its month.

A true 'game changer', at least in terms of breaking the mold, would be someone like Ryan Coogler getting to direct a $150-million tentpole blockbuster, without being attached to any sort of pre-established brand, while also being able to cast a predominantly black cast. When that happens, then I'll start using terms like 'game changer.'

Until that happens, I'm not going to follow the pack with this 'trophies for everybody' mantra when it comes to any little accomplishment that happens nowadays.

[legends of beyond]

So, how about that Black Panther?

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

A 'game changer', in the sense of the film world, is something that withstands the test of time. It inspires future generations of artists due to its longevity and worldwide inspiration. That's where a film like '2001' comes to mind. Or, 'Citizen Kane.'

That's one kind of game-changer. Many people also use the term "game-changer" to refer to a movie (whether "great" or memorable or not) that significantly disrupts the way the art and/or business of movie-making tends to be done. As such, the larger the movie (in terms of financial impact), the more potential it has to be a game-changer as Hollywood has a strong penchant for unreservedly throwing itself at whatever it perceives to be the cause-of-success of the last major money-spinning hit.