Black Panther 4K UHD (2018)

[SwaGGInTheShadows]

"A 'game changer', in the sense of the film world, is something that withstands the test of time. It inspires future generations of artists due to its longevity and worldwide inspiration. That's where a film like '2001' comes to mind. Or, 'Citizen Kane.'*"

Ladies and gentlemen...there you have it...hahahahahahaha. No need for subjectiveness.

All this time, i felt Spaceballs(my favorite movie of all time), and Forrest Gump were gamechangers respectively

But thanks to Sweetieman we now have the DEFINITIVE meaning of a gamechanger...
And on that note....i fold on this discussion

[SwaGGInTheShadows]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

That's one kind of game-changer. Many people also use the term "game-changer" to refer to a movie (whether "great" or memorable or not) that significantly disrupts the way the art and/or business of movie-making tends to be done. As such, the larger the movie (in terms of financial impact), the more potential it has to be a game-changer as Hollywood has a strong penchant for unreservedly throwing itself at whatever it perceives to be the cause-of-success of whatever was the last major money-spinning hit.

Dont even bother anymore, he is the know all film Person hahahahaha

[guachi]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

It's the fifth-biggest opening of all time, with an almost all black cast and a black writer/director.

That defines a game-changer. It's not the only kind of game-changer, but it's definitely one.

Openings aren't nearly as meaningful as you seem to think. Movies are more and more front-loaded than even 10 years ago. A multiple of final gross to opening weekend of 3.0x is normal for a typical blockbuster now (Avengers, Last Jedi, Jurassic World). The Force Awakens had great legs and it didn't even crack 4.0x for its multiplier.

That would mean a gross of about $600 million overall. Adjusted for ticket price inflation and population it puts the movie at 37th of all time (between Spider-Man 2 and Aladdin). That's "best of the year" level (though this year it'll probably lose to Avengers 3) but not epic level. However, if it can reach $800 million that'd put it at 16th and that'd be something else. That would be more in adjusted terms than any superhero movie ever, even ahead of the monster hit that was Superman 1.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by guachi

Openings aren't nearly as meaningful as you seem to think. Movies are more and more front-loaded than even 10 years ago.

Which is it: sentence 1 or sentence 2?

[SwaGGInTheShadows]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Which is it: sentence 1 or sentence 2?

They really think its about the movie being number one/box office results lmao

"THIS IS BIGGER THAN YOU FOGEL" hahahahaha

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

A 'game changer', in the sense of the film world, is something that withstands the test of time. It inspires future generations of artists due to its longevity and worldwide inspiration.

This film will inspire a whole generation of black youth.

The film has made a massive cultural impact despite only being in cinemas for a week. And, like it or not, Black Panther and Wonder Woman are game changers for the superhero genre and the film industry as a whole.

Don't forget that for years movies starring superheroes that aren't white men have been in development hell because studio executives believe they don't make money. The success of these films has changed how the industry sees blockbusters. I wouldn't be surprised if the success of these films leads to us getting the first LGBT superhero film within the next decade; I'm placing my bets on either Gotham City Sirens (Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy and Catwoman have all been written as bisexual at one time or another), Justice League Dark (Constantine is bisexual) or Marvel's inevitable X-Men reboot (Iceman is gay in the current comics run) for that .

Within a week, Black Panther has had more cultural impact than most movies ever make. The same for Wonder Woman. Just look at how these films have inspired women and black audiences. Black Panther will be the face of the MCU going forwards (presuming Robert Downey Jr leaves after Avengers 4). That would have been unthinkable a year ago. Just like how Wonder Woman being the face of the DCEU instead of Batman or Superman was unthinkable.

You have your own opinions about the quality of these films. That's fine. But even then it's difficult to deny the cultural impact the films have made and their status as game changers. Even with your own arbitrary definitions of what a game changer is, the films still fit it.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by guachi

Openings aren't nearly as meaningful as you seem to think. Movies are more and more front-loaded than even 10 years ago. A multiple of final gross to opening weekend of 3.0x is normal for a typical blockbuster now (Avengers, Last Jedi, Jurassic World). The Force Awakens had great legs and it didn't even crack 4.0x for its multiplier.

That would mean a gross of about $600 million overall. Adjusted for ticket price inflation and population it puts the movie at 37th of all time (between Spider-Man 2 and Aladdin). That's "best of the year" level (though this year it'll probably lose to Avengers 3) but not epic level. However, if it can reach $800 million that'd put it at 16th and that'd be something else. That would be more in adjusted terms than any superhero movie ever, even ahead of the monster hit that was Superman 1.

Black Panther has no competition until A Wrinkle in Time and Tomb Raider are released. Black Panther is projected to make over $100 million in it's second weekend. It's been outperforming every MCU film so far during it's first week. The film has already grossed $520 million WW in one week. It's got excellent reviews, great WOM and tons of repeat viewings. It's legs are perfectly fine and it's path to $900 million and beyond is perfectly clear. Hell, it'll probably crack $1 billion by it's third week if it keeps performing this well.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

This film will inspire a whole generation of black youth.

The film has made a massive cultural impact despite only being in cinemas for a week. And, like it or not, Black Panther and Wonder Woman are game changers for the superhero genre and the film industry as a whole.

Don't forget that for years movies starring superheroes that aren't white men have been in development hell because studio executives believe they don't make money. The success of these films has changed how the industry sees blockbusters. I wouldn't be surprised if the success of these films leads to us getting the first LGBT superhero film within the next decade; I'm placing my bets on either Gotham City Sirens (Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy and Catwoman have all been written as bisexual at one time or another), Justice League Dark (Constantine is bisexual) or Marvel's inevitable X-Men reboot (Iceman is gay in the current comics run) for that .

Within a week, Black Panther has had more cultural impact than most movies ever make. The same for Wonder Woman. Just look at how these films have inspired women and black audiences. Black Panther will be the face of the MCU going forwards (presuming Robert Downey Jr leaves after Avengers 4). That would have been unthinkable a year ago. Just like how Wonder Woman being the face of the DCEU instead of Batman or Superman was unthinkable.

You have your own opinions about the quality of these films. That's fine. But even then it's difficult to deny the cultural impact the films have made and their status as game changers. Even with your own arbitrary definitions of what a game changer is, the films still fit it.

When speaking about Wonder Woman, how soon we forget Ripley in Alien and, especially, Aliens. Now, THOSE were "game changers" in their respective genres and also being classic movies to boot.

Neither WW or BP are what I could consider top quality films that will stand the test of time, which is a shame. If they weren't cookie cutter superhero films, they would have really rocketed diverse Hollywood movie making to historic levels. That is what makes these particular titles disappointing to me.

[TheSweetieMan]

I’m not going to continue this conversation any further, as it’s treading into territory that becomes a little too political and social for my liking. Not to mention, veering into borderline cultural appropriation.

My point is, calling this film a game changer based on the circumstances of how and why it was made, really does disrespect the black filmmakers and actors, that have made films within this genre years before.

Black Panther is a good film. And I admire the accomplishments it’s made. But this isn’t something that’s going to rattle the entire filmmaking industry. Hollywood, sure. But that’s about it.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

When speaking about Wonder Woman, how soon we forget Ripley in Alien and, especially, Aliens. Now, THOSE were "game changers" in their respective genres and also being classic movies to boot.

Neither WW or BP are what I could consider top quality films that will stand the test of time, which is a shame. If they weren't cookie cutter superhero films, they would have really rocketed diverse Hollywood movie making to historic levels. That is what makes these particular titles disappointing to me.

No one's forgetting Alien. It's impact on cinema is still being felt today. Just like how Akira Kurosawa's filmography (Seven Samurai and Hidden Fortress in particular), The Wizard of Oz, The Lord of the Rings, Jurassic Park and more still have an impact that is felt even today.

Your own personal opinion of the film's quality doesn't matter. I'm not the biggest fan of Laurence Olivier's Henry V (mainly due to how it softens Henry's character to help the film act as propaganda) but I would never deny it's status as a game changer because of that. What matters is the impact the film had, both on cinema and on culture. Wonder Woman and Black Panther both had a huge impact on cinema and culture. They have made significant changes to the superhero genre.

[alull]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

I could've directed 'Black Panther', and it still would've opened number one during its opening weekend.



Because similar to STAR WARS, the MCU has established a full-proof brand.



A 'game changer', in the sense of the film world, is something that withstands the test of time. It inspires future generations of artists due to its longevity and worldwide inspiration.[/i]

I would love to compare your Black Panther (2018) to Ryan Coogler's.

The film isn't a big deal because of its black cast. Those films have existed for decades. The film is a huge deal because it's a great film made by African Americans that is a lot of fun, is exciting and deals with real emotional issues—all made on a blockbuster level.

Black Panther will inspire a generation of filmmakers.

[monstermidget]

Heaven's gate was a massive 'game changer' for the film industry.
Anabolic steriods were a game changer for professional sports.
There have been many timeless classic pictures which have been game changers, and many, many more that have not.
Being a game changer is not a synonym for greatest or even quality really.

The success of Black Panther may well change how the studios look at black characters, black talent and black stories going forward.
If that is the case then it will have proved itself a 'game changer' and whether it's was a modern classic fit to sit astride the cinematic pantheon with 2001, or The Godfather, or just another made-to-order cape-flick will be largely irrelevant.

[Dirk504]

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Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

This film is a game changer for several reasons:

Yes, it's not the first superhero movie with a black lead but it's the first with a predominantly black cast (there are only six white actors who have prominent speaking roles in the entire film).

It's also the first superhero film with a black lead in the modern wave of superhero movies that's actually suitable for children; Blade and Hancock were more aimed at adults.

It's one of few major blockbusters to be written by black writers and directed by a black director.

It's a film that goes against the notion that Africa is somehow less civilised or advanced than the West, one that the media has helped push. It also celebrates African culture.

The film makes the question of what it means to be black in the modern day the centre of it's story and conflict. The battle between Black Panther and Killmonger's ideologies is basically a better version of what X-Men tried to do, in which the film is an allegory for the conflict between Martin Luther King and Malcolm X's ideologies (one believes peace is the right path, the other believes that you can't make a change if you don't fight for it).

The film features a significant step forward for the MCU by being the first MCU film where the lead is not (or played by in Thor's case) a white man. It is also the first MCU film not directed by a white man.

The film has strongly developed female characters, treats it's female characters as equal to it's male characters and features the MCU's first black female heroes in Shuri, Nakia and Okoye (Gamora doesn't really count as she's a green alien played by a black actress).

The film directly addresses several complaints with the MCU and fixes them. The score is memorable, the villain has clear motivations and is well developed and there is less bathos (humour that undercuts serious moments). This indicates a tonal shift in the MCU and that Marvel is changing things up, supporting their statements that the MCU will be completely different after Infinity War/Avengers 4.

The film has sparked an entire movement and has disproven the notion once and for all that films with black leads won't succeed at the box office, with Black Panther well on track to grossing over $900 million worldwide. Perhaps even $1 billion. This paves the way for even more black superhero films; Falcon, Cyborg, Green Lantern, War Machine etc.

While the quality of the film, it is very good, has something to do with it being a game changer, it's more to do with what it represents and what it means for the film industry going forwards. The film is a game changer; but to see why you have to look beyond your opinion of the film's quality and see what it represents. Like Wonder Woman, what the film means to audiences and the message it sends to the industry makes it a game changer. Just check out all the videos of black audiences going nuts for the film (audiences in Africa have been celebrating the film) to see why this is a game changer. Black Panther does for black audiences what Wonder Woman did for women last year.

This is quite possibly the greatest post I’ve ever read in my 10 years on this forum.

[guachi]

Originally Posted by SwaGGInTheShadows

They really think its about the movie being number one/box office results lmao

"THIS IS BIGGER THAN YOU FOGEL" hahahahaha

LOLOLOLOL. When someone says that the opening proves it's a big movie then one can assume they think the box office actually matters.

Which is it? Does the box office matter or doesn't it? You can't have it both be meaningful and not meaningful at the same time.

[Darkstream]

Tom Holland Congratulates Chadwick Boseman on Black Panther ‘Changing the Game’

https://www.cbr.com/tom-holland-chad...black-panther/

[guachi]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

Black Panther has no competition until A Wrinkle in Time and Tomb Raider are released. Black Panther is projected to make over $100 million in it's second weekend. It's been outperforming every MCU film so far during it's first week. The film has already grossed $520 million WW in one week. It's got excellent reviews, great WOM and tons of repeat viewings. It's legs are perfectly fine and it's path to $900 million and beyond is perfectly clear. Hell, it'll probably crack $1 billion by it's third week if it keeps performing this well.

All of this is true. My point is that the large opening in and of itself isn't as useful a comparison considering how front loaded movies are. It's a rare blockbuster movie nowadays that does tremendously more than its opening - Jumanji, for example. It's at 10x, and that's amazing. For comparison, no modern superhero movie (going back to X-Men 1 from 2000) is more than 4.25x. (Note, this is just US grosses as comparing worldwide except for recent movies is problematic).

I count 54 comic book/superhero movies dating back to 2000. 11 had total grosses more than 3x opening weekend and four had grosses 4x opening - Spider-Man 2, Amazing Spider-Man 1, Batman Begins, and Wonder Woman.

There's a good chance it can dominate its competition. However, I think it's more likely it'll be more like Avengers 1 (3.0x opening) as it's both big and anticipated. GotG, Iron Man 1, and Ant-Man 1 are the other Marvel movies that had better multiples compared to opening weekend than Avengers but I think those three have something in common that Black Panther doesn't - lower expectations. Black Panthers expectations and anticipation grew markedly in the month before opening.

That (a 3.0x multiple) would put the movie at Spider-Man 2 level of greatness in the superhero movie pantheon at #7. If it can pull a Wonder Woman (4.0x multiple) it'll be the greatest superhero movie of all time.

On the other hand, I doubt it'll pull a Captain America 3 which, despite great reviews, had awful legs. Heck, Justice League and Ghost Rider 2 had better legs than Captain America 3 and those movies were horribly reviewed.

[TheSweetieMan]

Originally Posted by Viking61

Best Buy's steelbook.

I just noticed that the steelbook art is from the exclusive Dolby Cinema poster.

Not trying to read too much into stuff, but with the recent announcement of TLJ having Dolby Vision--as well as Dolby Labs having that 'exclusive' prop showing all of the upcoming Marvel and Star Wars releases at virtually every AMC Theater--I'm hoping this means Disney is about to do a full court press for Dolby Vision on almost all of their upcoming UHD releases.

[TheSweetieMan]

You know what, on second thought, you guys are right.

It's a game changer.

The undeniable effect this will have on black youth, especially from an artistic perspective, is absolutely monumental. Not to mention the amount of black women this film put front an center. I can definitely appreciate the impact that will have. Hell, there was this middle-aged black woman going absolutely bananas during the third act when all of those women were battling Killmonger. I thought her enjoyment of that particular sequence was great.

I think my original post, was maybe just that while I admire the barriers this film broke down, I think the film itself isn't particularly revelatory, you know what I mean? I still thoroughly enjoyed it. But felt that overall, it was very much still a comic book movie. I think it will be remembered for years to come in terms of the influence and boundaries it pushed for people of color within the Hollywood film industry--but that the film itself, is still just a comic book film. Albeit, a well above-average one. And one that I immensely enjoyed overall.

[Nothing371]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

I could've directed 'Black Panther', and it still would've opened number one during its opening weekend.

[Nothing371]

The majority of the last two pages are just arguing over semantics of a phrase. It's unimportant. We can all agree that Black Panther is hugely successful and one of the most interesting discussion pieces to kick off 2018.