Black Panther 4K UHD (2018)

[Frank@Chicago]

How the Mighty are Fallen... remember these days?

"As with the BD of Pirates 1, Disney provides 5.1 channels of uncompressed PCM. At 24 bit and 48 kHz, the voices, music and sound effects are fully resolved in a way that goes beyond CD sound (16 bit, 44.1 kHz)."

"The greatest achievement in this film may not be a CGI or 1080P visual at all. The audio is an absolute stunner--a system stretcher for any reference home theater. The deck or hull of a ship is a fantastic stage to feed the ears an assortment of sounds, from the lapping of water to the creaking of floorboards to the whisper of the wind and footsteps on the floorboards. Dead Man's Chest delivers."

I watched the old BD of Dead Man's Chest recently and it looked & sounded amazing.

Sometimes I feel like we're going backwards.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by Boston007

Outshone? Sorry I disagree. Everyone else's acting was awful

You thought Killmonger was better? Klaue? It was over the top stupid. Killmonger sounded like a THUG. King material my @ss.

I honestly expected better for a Marvel movie. They need to look to Winter Soldier for a proper comic book movie adaptation, IMO

Over-the-top is part of the territory with this movie/the MCU and CBMs in general. Boseman is the king who has to have gravitas and lead the nation, so I get why he's not chewing on the scenery as much as the others. But frankly all it did was make him stand out in a not-so-good way (he's better in Civil War and Infinity War, but those are more serious movies so his performance fits in better).

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Boston007

That was the EXACT scene that made me say the same thing.

Terrible



Nothing wrong with his setup. Mine is tuned and I thought the same thing.


Outshone? Sorry I disagree. Everyone else's acting was awful

You thought Killmonger was better? Klaue? It was over the top stupid. Killmonger sounded like a THUG. King material my @ss.

I honestly expected better for a Marvel movie. They need to look to Winter Soldier for a proper comic book movie adaptation, IMO

Even before the ambush scene in the jungle, when the two warrior girls knock on the door of the projects apartment, the inside of the apartment looks way too dark even for a naturally dark lit apartment. Raising brightness was just a quick fix which brought about a slew of different issues, including glowing black bars.
Go and play those same scenes on regular bluray. Though not as sharp and clear, tbey look more natural in shadow details

[McSteebler]

Originally Posted by illadvised

Anyone else ever run into a problem where it says the digital code is already redeemed? Never happened to me before.

Someone might have opened your package, redeemed code, then resealed. Sorry to hear.

[Boston007]

Originally Posted by BigBlue10989

We have to realize that we're in the vast vast minority that really care. We really need to get out of the BR.com bubble and look at it from a business standpoint. I'm 100% certain that Disney has gotten more complaints about the dynamic range of their movies than they ever will about the lack of it.

Most people who buy these are listening on TV speakers.

Exactly

[Tns49]

Originally Posted by McSteebler

Someone might have opened your package, redeemed code, then resealed. Sorry to hear.

Obvious op should try contacting Disney. If they don't help then the store purchased from.

[BigBlue10989]

Originally Posted by jamesdevil

Most people who are buying 4K discs, in 2018, are not listening on TV speakers. I just don't buy that.

I'm well aware I'm in the minority of how people consume movies but Disney should just get out of the game if they can't release audio tracks that do their films and their history on the disc format justice.

My point is do a Google search. You will find a lot more complaining about the fact that voices are so much quieter than gunshots, explosions, etc. than vice versa. I'm not surprised. Heck I'm shocked it didn't happen sooner.

[Geoff D]

Yeah, as much as I dislike these neutered mixes it wouldn't surprise me if Disney were killing them at source to satisfy mom and pop listening on their tin can speakers, no matter that some of these mixes are ending up on a niche of a niche tech geek format like UHD Blu-ray.

[illadvised]

Originally Posted by McSteebler

Someone might have opened your package, redeemed code, then resealed. Sorry to hear.

Weird. It was a freshly shelved copy from Target.

[aetherhole]

Originally Posted by BluRayHiDef

Well, after sampling it for a few minutes, I independently came to the conclusion that it has a digital intermediate that's above 2K, because it looks much sharper and more detailed than any 2K DI that I've seen. My own conclusion drove me to visit Real or Fake 4K and not the other way around. As for your insistance that its picture quality is due to how it was shot, I disagree, because the best looking 2K DI, which is Transformers: The Last Knight, has colors that are just as rich, but the overall image isn't quite as sharp and detailed, especially in regard to skin textures.

I didn't say that the 4K DI didn't help contribute to what you are observing.

I understand and agree that it is a sharp looking picture. To say that it looks sharper and more detailed than any of the best 2K DI might be a slight exaggeration. I think your immediate conclusion of it "having to be a 4K DI" is okay, but I am pointing out that there are so many variables that lead to how great the picture looks. Cameras used, usage of said cameras, lighting, director of photography's style, director's style, post editing, and yes, DI, plus probably a myriad of other factors. DI is just ONE factor and to put all stock of how amazing and detailed it looks into it, is just somewhat narrow thinking. You are minimizing everything else that plays a factor in the quality of image with your statement and direction of thinking.

It's absolutely okay to think that this is a great looking title, I will completely agree with you there. It's just misleading and, once again gets others unnecessarily hung up on the 4K/2K numbers. It's really not just about that. I promise you it really isn't.

"X title looks phenomenal BECAUSE it's a 4K DI" doesn't work. Prime example The Nolan Collection titles. 4K DI, but still overall less impressive and less consistent than a lot of titles regardless of the DI, 2K or 4K.

[fighthefutureofhd]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

STD

OMG!!! Disney has an STD. What has happened to the family-friendly company since they bought Fox?

[BluRayHiDef]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yeah, as much as I dislike these neutered mixes it wouldn't surprise me if Disney were killing them at source to satisfy mom and pop listening on their tin can speakers, no matter that some of these mixes are ending up on a niche of a niche tech geek format like UHD Blu-ray.

Why not just include an additional two-channel/ stereo audio track, so that both camps can be satisfied?

[ROSS.T.G.]

Because they don't care, they know they have yours and my money regardless.

[BluRayHiDef]

Originally Posted by aetherhole

I didn't say that the 4K DI didn't help contribute to what you are observing.

I understand and agree that it is a sharp looking picture. To say that it looks sharper and more detailed than any of the best 2K DI might be a slight exaggeration. I think your immediate conclusion of it "having to be a 4K DI" is okay, but I am pointing out that there are so many variables that lead to how great the picture looks. Cameras used, usage of said cameras, lighting, director of photography's style, director's style, post editing, and yes, DI, plus probably a myriad of other factors. DI is just ONE factor and to put all stock of how amazing and detailed it looks into it, is just somewhat narrow thinking. You are minimizing everything else that plays a factor in the quality of image with your statement and direction of thinking.

It's absolutely okay to think that this is a great looking title, I will completely agree with you there. It's just misleading and, once again gets others unnecessarily hung up on the 4K/2K numbers. It's really not just about that. I promise you it really isn't.

"X title looks phenomenal BECAUSE it's a 4K DI" doesn't work. Prime example The Nolan Collection titles. 4K DI, but still overall less impressive and less consistent than a lot of titles regardless of the DI, 2K or 4K.

Well, I was referring to material that was shot digitally. Excluding movies shot on IMAX, film does not produce a very sharp image to begin with nor an image that's as detailed as material shot on a sufficiently capable digital camera.

[Elbie]

Originally Posted by Batman90

Just something Disney made up so they can charge more then normal for the 4K.

Figured as much. The Incredibles 4k re-assured me of it lol. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Anthos

I hear that Adam guy you know might be able to answer 😂

You lost me here. Please help lol.

[aetherhole]

Originally Posted by BluRayHiDef

Well, I was referring to material that was shot digitally. Excluding movies shot on IMAX, film does not produce a very sharp image to begin with nor an image that's as detailed as material shot on a sufficiently capable digital camera.

Maybe I have this wrong, but my understanding is that film has MORE detail than digital cameras.

Detail and sharpness don't necessarily go hand in hand, though. Digitally shot movies tend to have sharper looking edges. The downside is sometimes it makes things look more artificial. Black Panther may be the prime example of this. The CGI is more noticeable and obvious because of how sharp the image is.

CGI relies so heavily on motion blur and smoothing edges around green screened sequences. Film possibly has the advantage in that regard because the difference between edges, smooth and sharp, are less pronounced.

[VonMagnum]

Originally Posted by BigBlue10989

We have to realize that we're in the vast vast minority that really care. We really need to get out of the BR.com bubble and look at it from a business standpoint. I'm 100% certain that Disney has gotten more complaints about the dynamic range of their movies than they ever will about the lack of it.

Most people who buy these are listening on TV speakers.

One, that's what dynamic range compensation is for on receivers.

Two, there's PLENTY of room for more than one English soundtrack on Blu-Ray discs, let alone Ultra ones (leave one of the 30 foreign tracks out if need be) so they could easily have a compressed soundtrack for TVs and a proper one for home theaters.

Three, no one but Disney is doing this to my knowledge, so all those poor TV people will have to somehow manage with a proper soundtrack. I honestly don't recall having problems hearing vocals on my plasma TV when my stereo isn't on, though with any given movie.

[johnnyknoxsvill]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

Because they don't care, they know they have yours and my money regardless.

Not mine, I buy all my Disney titles used. They can get it when they fix the audio issues. I'm not going to pay $30 for a subpar product

[ROSS.T.G.]

Originally Posted by johnnyknoxsvill

Not mine, I buy all my Disney titles used. They can get it when they fix the audio issues. I'm not going to pay $30 for a subpar product

I'm not half the man you are...

[RockyIII]

I tested this on my oled tv in DV, HDR10, and 1080p.
DV and HDR10 both very sharp and clear but blacks are overly crushed to the point that I had to increase brightness by 1 click from the player, which I would never do with 99% of my uhd titles