Black Panther 4K UHD (2018)

[Boston007]

Originally Posted by joenostalgia23

I don’t think people were impressed by Killmonger because he was BP’s cousin trying to usurp the throne, yeah that’s been done before. I think it had a lot more to do with the fact that his master plan was basically “kill whitey” and he was in a Disney movie.

Ding Ding Ding we have a winner

[avs commenter]

Killmonger is better than most MCU villains. Loki, Thanos and Hela are my top 3 though.

[joenostalgia23]

I think people are really starting to catch on about disney’s audio mixes.

When I watched the film with a friend yesterday, one who isn’t a cinemaphile or a A/V home theater geek like me, and he remarked how he remembered how “dope” the bass was in an early part of the film (the Grace Jones lookin bodyguards strike the ground with their spears, causing the lights to go out). We saw it together back in February in a non IMAX, non Dolby theater, just a standard 2K DLP so not even fancy audio.

I don’t think it’s my sound system because when I showed him Dunkirk or Blade Runner 2049 he thought the sound was amazing on my speakers, especially the bass, which he could physically feel going through him. We play videogames together and he’s brought up how great the surround and bass is in games that don’t even have lossless audio. Other superhero movies like Batman v Superman or Logan didn’t have this issue either.

But Black Panther was the first time he distinctly remembered a movie sounding different in the cinema. Basically, the UHD looks better than it did in theaters, but sounds worse. I think the film is completely watchable, but even with it played 10 decibels higher than I do for most other films in my collection, it sounds more like I’m playing the sound off the TV speakers. Step it up, Disney, a romance film about a 1950s dressmaker has a more dynamic soundtrack than your billion dollar superhero epics with Kendrick Lamar songs (end credit song is way better sounding off Spotify than in the actual movie).

[RockyIII]

Not all movies can sound like Blade Runner or Dunkirk. There's more to a movie than a huge soundtrack.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Boston007

Wonder Woman was still a far far better movie though.

Villains like Aries are too stereotypical and easy to predict. Every bad guy should have some 'good' in him to make him stand out

[ROSS.T.G.]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Not all movies can sound like Blade Runner or Dunkirk. There's more to a movie than a huge soundtrack.

A movie like this should have good dynamics. No excuse.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

A movie like this should have good dynamics. No excuse.

Audio is just one aspect. There are other aspects that can be discussed but somehow every post is becoming about the soundtrack.

[ROSS.T.G.]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Audio is just one aspect. There are other aspects that can be discussed but somehow every post is becoming about the soundtrack.

Right because for some the audio is half the experience and half the reason why we shell out $30-$40 per movie. So yeah, if the audio sucks yer gonna hear about it. I can't count how many complaints I've read from you about poor PQ. Just in this thread alone you were whining about black crush and DV.

what did the five fingers say to the face? - YouTube

[fighthefutureofhd]

Speaking about the movie, with the Black Panther possibly mia they may need to recast. They could go a different direction and cast Nathan Lane in the next one. They could call it the Pink Panther. When Wakanda beckons.

[illadvised]

Originally Posted by Tns49

Obvious op should try contacting Disney. If they don't help then the store purchased from.

All good. I reached out to Disney but they were lagging to respond so I decided to take it back to Target and they exchanged it without issue. New code checks out.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

Right because for some the audio is half the experience and half the reason why we shell out $30-$40 per movie. So yeah, if the audio sucks yer gonna hear about it. I can't count how many complaints I've read from you about poor PQ. Just in this thread alone you were whining about black crush and DV.

what did the five fingers say to the face? - YouTube

Exactly. And then I moved on and highlighted other aspects

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by joenostalgia23

I think people are really starting to catch on about disney’s audio mixes.

When I watched the film with a friend yesterday, one who isn’t a cinemaphile or a A/V home theater geek like me, and he remarked how he remembered how “dope” the bass was in an early part of the film (the Grace Jones lookin bodyguards strike the ground with their spears, causing the lights to go out). We saw it together back in February in a non IMAX, non Dolby theater, just a standard 2K DLP so not even fancy audio.

I don’t think it’s my sound system because when I showed him Dunkirk or Blade Runner 2049 he thought the sound was amazing on my speakers, especially the bass, which he could physically feel going through him. We play videogames together and he’s brought up how great the surround and bass is in games that don’t even have lossless audio. Other superhero movies like Batman v Superman or Logan didn’t have this issue either.

But Black Panther was the first time he distinctly remembered a movie sounding different in the cinema. Basically, the UHD looks better than it did in theaters, but sounds worse. I think the film is completely watchable, but even with it played 10 decibels higher than I do for most other films in my collection, it sounds more like I’m playing the sound off the TV speakers. Step it up, Disney, a romance film about a 1950s dressmaker has a more dynamic soundtrack than your billion dollar superhero epics with Kendrick Lamar songs (end credit song is way better sounding off Spotify than in the actual movie).

Ouch. This might help me confirm my decision to go ahead and get this in 3D instead of 4K. I was on the fence but if the soundtrack is dodgy then that just wont do!

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

A movie like this should have good dynamics. No excuse.

Agreed, totally. No excuse to have a crappy or "subdued" soundtrack these days. Hell, regular blu-ray lossless is pretty damned good so a UHD disc MUST push the envelope further.

[ROSS.T.G.]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Exactly. And then I moved on and highlighted other aspects

Ok so then I should be good to complain for several pages then I’ll move on.

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Audio is just one aspect. There are other aspects that can be discussed but somehow every post is becoming about the soundtrack.

Because it's a fairly big issue to lots of us. This was high on my want list but isn't now, I'll pick up a second hand copy. Feel free to highlight other aspects, people will engage, but this is a thread about the disc release on an enthusiasts forum and endless nitpicking and going over stuff is why I come here. I don't care about endless posts about packaging and steelbooks and delivery dates but I appreciate others do so just skip by them; an option open to us all.

[joenostalgia23]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

Ouch. This might help me confirm my decision to go ahead and get this in 3D instead of 4K. I was on the fence but if the soundtrack is dodgy then that just wont do!



Agreed, totally. No excuse to have a crappy or "subdued" soundtrack these days. Hell, regular blu-ray lossless is pretty damned good so a UHD disc MUST push the envelope further.

Does the 3D have a different audio track as the 4K?

As far as I can tell, Disney has neutered the mix in every variation. And I think we as consumers totally have a right to call out Disney on their bs. They claim the film has Dolby Atmos, but it isn’t exactly what people expect an Atmos track to be, being designed for a limited set-up (7.1.4... I think, the menu tells you) and having a subdued dynamic range.

Ten years, I had no doubt that Disney was giving us the same audio track as what we heard in theaters. Now I’m pretty sure we’re getting something designed to accommodate whoever called Disney and told them their Blue Rays DVDs were too dang loud!

[doctorD]

I'm glad to read I'm not the only one noticing the recent issue with Disney movies audio tracks. Their movies weren't always this way...weird and so disappointing. I actually thought I needed to get my ears checked when I threw Ragnarok in for the first time. I hope they hear the complaints, analyze and correct them.

[Deric2014]

Originally Posted by doctorD

I'm glad to read I'm not the only one noticing the recent issue with Disney movies audio tracks. Their movies weren't always this way...weird and so disappointing. I actually thought I needed to get my ears checked when I threw Ragnarok in for the first time. I hope they hear the complaints, analyze and correct them.

It's not recent the audio problem has been a issue since Avengers Age Of Ultron and that's a 2015 title.

[doctorD]

Originally Posted by Deric2014

It's not recent the audio problem has been a issue since Avengers Age Of Ultron and that's a 2015 title.

Must have been more slight thru Guardians 2. It was more noticeable for me with Last Jedi and Ragnarok.

[Deric2014]

Originally Posted by doctorD

Must have been more slight thru Guardians 2. It was more noticeable for me with Last Jedi and Ragnarok.

I see but when I bought Age Of Ultron almost 3 years ago I was really disappointed that the audio was really poor.

I had to buy some speakers to get a better viewing experience and so far Disney hasn't fixed anything.

[jh901]

Originally Posted by VonMagnum

A room should have FLAT response. Period!!!! THAT is what it should be mixed for at theater and home theater alike. There is NOTHING stopping you from having a small or even full size theater at home!

The surround sound in my modest theater, with no EQ, no room correction software, and modest speakers would change everything you presumably believe that you know about sound quality. You should probably read more and type less.

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Not all movies can sound like Blade Runner or Dunkirk. There's more to a movie than a huge soundtrack.

You lack the gear or the experience to have a valuable opinion. Fact.

The bottom line here is that Disney is doing something different than every other studio and it isn't to our benefit. They are going to ruin meaningful films if something doesn't change quick.