Black Panther 4K UHD (2018)

[ROSS.T.G.]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I too watch in dark room. Maybe you have a better panel but the majority of feedback from other owners all agrees that with Oled the perfect blacks are reflected also by a loss of details near 5%.
It's also har dto tell when the loss of perfect blacks is due to settings or to the source we are playing. Sometimes when the screen goes black, the bars are true black but the content inside the bar has a glow

Yeah I don’t know what to tell ya. If mine crushed blacks it would have been returned that day. I do think that most people aren’t used to BT.1886 and will find it very dark and perhaps think it crushes blacks. When I look at 2.2 it’s dramatically brighter. It takes time getting used to it but I can’t watch a movie in 2.2 anymore.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

Yeah I don’t know what to tell ya. If mine crushed blacks it would have been returned that day. I do think that most people aren’t used to BT.1886 and will find it very dark and perhaps think it crushes blacks. When I look at 2.2 it’s dramatically brighter. It takes time getting used to it but I can’t watch a movie in 2.2 anymore.

I use uncalibrated BT1886.
2.2 looks too washed out although it is able to reveal more details in dark scenes.

[woodley56]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I use uncalibrated BT1886.
2.2 looks too washed out although it is able to reveal more details in dark scenes.

I would suggest calibrating your display before stating you see issues with certain scenes and discs...

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by woodley56

I would suggest calibrating your display before stating you see issues with certain scenes and discs...

So are you saying that it's just a matter of calibrating the TV?
It is known that LG Oleds tend to crush in order to render perfect blacks. Like someone else already stated, calibration can help to an extent but when you compare that to a calibrated 4K HDR LED TV you will easily be able to tell how much more crush is present on Oled

[woodley56]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

So are you saying that it's just a matter of calibrating the TV?
It is known that LG Oleds tend to crush in order to render perfect blacks. Like someone else already stated, calibration can help to an extent but when you compare that to a calibrated 4K HDR LED TV you will easily be able to tell how much more crush is present on Oled

I would suggest calibrating any TV that you have. I'm not sure why you wouldn't try to get the best picture possible.

[fighthefutureofhd]

But you have to know someone that calibrates televisions. Not to mention the fact that they don't come cheap.

[aetherhole]

Rocky, you're talking with speculated assumptions. There's a reason why year after year the OLEDs have won the annual TV shootouts, even including the 2016 models. Regardless, those sets were sets that were ALL calibrated to the ISF standards, so they were all on level playing fields. ISF calibration will do wonders to improve the image. The problem is, the vast majority of the TV owners, even including this forum, don't have a properly calibrated set, whether that's by a licensed professional or with their own equipment.

Near black is an issue especially with 2016 and earlier OLEDs. However, with a reputable ISF calibrator or the proper measurement equipment, those issues can become almost nil. Before I got my set calibrated, I employed a lot of the "fixes" that an individual could do, but it didn't completely alleviate the problem without causing other issues. There was an immediate appreciable difference in levels of detail across the board after I got my set calibrated, that definitely includes near black. Yes, OLEDs have had a harder time with the transition from 0 luminance to near black out of the box, but again a calibrator can do wonders. Woodley's suggestion of getting your set calibrated is by far the best advice any of us can give you.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by aetherhole

Rocky, you're talking with speculated assumptions. There's a reason why year after year the OLEDs have won the annual TV shootouts, even including the 2016 models.
Regardless, those sets were sets that were ALL calibrated to the ISF standards, so they were all on level playing fields. ISF calibration will do wonders to improve the image. The problem is, the vast majority of the TV owners, even including this forum, don't have a properly calibrated set, whether that's by a licensed professional or with their own equipment.

Near black is an issue especially with 2016 and earlier OLEDs. However, with a reputable ISF calibrator or the proper measurement equipment, those issues can become almost nil. Before I got my set calibrated, I employed a lot of the "fixes" that an individual could do, but it didn't completely alleviate the problem without causing other issues. There was an immediate appreciable difference in levels of detail across the board after I got my set calibrated, that definitely includes near black. Yes, OLEDs have had a harder time with the transition from 0 luminance to near black out of the box, but again a calibrator can do wonders. Woodley's suggestion of getting your set calibrated is by far the best advice any of us can give you.

But we can agree that pre-calibration, 4K LED offers more shadow details than oled, yes or no?

[fighthefutureofhd]

I just did a search on tv calibrations near me and found out Best Buy's Geek Squad can do it. But, DAMN, it's cost more than one month's rent to do it. I don't see how you all do it. I now have some newfound respect for you guys and mad props to your home theatre setups. Seriously!

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

I just did a search on tv calibrations near me and found out Best Buy's Geek Squad can do it. But, DAMN, it's cost more than one month's rent to do it. I don't see how you all do it. I now have some newfound respect for you guys and mad props to your home theatre setups. Seriously!

My brother is an engineer, couldn't he calibrate my tv?

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Batman1980

My brother is an engineer, couldn't he calibrate my tv?

I have known engineers that didn't know the difference in HDMI and component so be careful.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

I just did a search on tv calibrations near me and found out Best Buy's Geek Squad can do it. But, DAMN, it's cost more than one month's rent to do it. I don't see how you all do it. I now have some newfound respect for you guys and mad props to your home theatre setups. Seriously!

You get what you pay for I guess

[ROSS.T.G.]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

I just did a search on tv calibrations near me and found out Best Buy's Geek Squad can do it. But, DAMN, it's cost more than one month's rent to do it. I don't see how you all do it. I now have some newfound respect for you guys and mad props to your home theatre setups. Seriously!

Buying your own gear can sometimes cost the same as hiring a “pro”.

[RockyIII]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/tv-cali...?skuId=7896832


A professional, ISF (Imaging Science Foundation)-certified Geek Squad Agent will use precision equipment to calibrate your TV, tweaking sharpness, black levels, white levels, brightness, color temperature and more to provide the best possible picture in your home.* The Agent will also create custom presets to complement different room ambiences. This service takes about 2 hours to complete.

[fighthefutureofhd]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

You get what you pay for I guess

That's true. However, I wasn't expecting it to cost more than a month's rent. Of course, I only looked at Best Buy. Though I'm only looking more out of curiosity's sake at this moment.

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

Buying your own gear can sometimes cost the same as hiring a “pro”.

Well, I hadn't planned on buying my own gear (though I'm not even sure what "gear" I would need to buy). Nor had I planned on getting my tv calibrated. I just heard so much about calibrating on here I thought I would investigate and see what it costs. If I found a reasonable rate I might jump in, but only if it's reasonable. The reason being is that I don't suspect that I will be staying where I live forever and I suspect that moving a tv around could mess with the calibrations. Plus, if I move I don't plan on keeping the tv I have. To be honest, I don't know that I plan on keeping my main tv at all. And if we're being really blunt honest here, I think I got a shitty deal on my tv.

Don't get me wrong. I really like my tv and I feel it does an amazing job with the 4K and UHD movies that I throw at it. However, I am paying more for it than it is really worth. which is my fault (for various reasons too lengthy to get into). Also, while I was on the hunt for a 65" tv, I now feel I could've gone bigger and been happier. A lot of things were going on as I was in the process of getting my tv though and that really hampered things a bit. But don't think I am complaining. I really love my tv and it is a great source of comfort to me that I wouldn't trade for anything. The grass just always seems greener on the other side.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

That's true. However, I wasn't expecting it to cost more than a month's rent. Of course, I only looked at Best Buy. Though I'm only looking more out of curiosity's sake at this moment.



Well, I hadn't planned on buying my own gear (though I'm not even sure what "gear" I would need to buy). Nor had I planned on getting my tv calibrated. I just heard so much about calibrating on here I thought I would investigate and see what it costs. If I found a reasonable rate I might jump in, but only if it's reasonable. The reason being is that I don't suspect that I will be staying where I live forever and I suspect that moving a tv around could mess with the calibrations. Plus, if I move I don't plan on keeping the tv I have. To be honest, I don't know that I plan on keeping my main tv at all. And if we're being really blunt honest here, I think I got a shitty deal on my tv.

Don't get me wrong. I really like my tv and I feel it does an amazing job with the 4K and UHD movies that I throw at it. However, I am paying more for it than it is really worth. which is my fault (for various reasons too lengthy to get into). Also, while I was on the hunt for a 65" tv, I now feel I could've gone bigger and been happier. A lot of things were going on as I was in the process of getting my tv though and that really hampered things a bit. But don't think I am complaining. I really love my tv and it is a great source of comfort to me that I wouldn't trade for anything. The grass just always seems greener on the other side.

From what I understand, the calibration values tend to shift over time, so every year you might have to invest another $100+ just to get it fine tuned. I rather plug n play and spend the rest of my allowance on blurays...But that's me

[ROSS.T.G.]

Panels are very stable now so I wouldn’t worry about shifting too much, not enough that you would really notice. Unless you’re an eagle eye calibrator.

[fighthefutureofhd]

I'm not even an eagle scout.

[ROSS.T.G.]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

I'm not even an eagle scout.

I wouldn’t bother then. You like your panel now so just enjoy it. Calibration will send you down a rabbit hole and it takes a lot of trial and error. It’s a terrible idea if you even have the slightest OCD tendencies like I have.

[Nothing371]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

I just did a search on tv calibrations near me and found out Best Buy's Geek Squad can do it. But, DAMN, it's cost more than one month's rent to do it. I don't see how you all do it. I now have some newfound respect for you guys and mad props to your home theatre setups. Seriously!

It's no more than paying a plumber for an hour, or something similar. That's kind of the going rate for specialized labor. $125/hour, hell, Roto Rooter costs a lot more than that for a moderate visit. This is more like the cost for a local pages plumber.

Yeah, it's expensive. But so is everything. The equipment you bought that you were considering getting calibrated was expensive too; far more expensive than what most people spend on TVs.