"Club Penton" - Ask questions to Hollywood insider "Penton-Man"

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

It appears one of the AVS scientists is making the claim that......

Just wait until the James Bond Collection streets, dem screenshot scientists will have a virtual target rich environment to dissuade any fans of these movies not to rent or purchase those titles.

I really think that they would have more fun pointing out (with mag views) an example of why some HD editors should work with the largest display possible when cutting…….
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=65198

as they all seem preoccupied with the little things in life.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Bobby Henderson

......I just can't understand why a big action movie couldn't be filmed entirely in 5-perf 65mm.............

Aint gonna happen.
The only person with enough *pull* to make it work in Hollywood (for a feature film) is probably Steven S. and he’s pretty much lost interest ever since Empire of the Sun.

If you’re truly interested regarding a possible long-term film capture/presentation trend that has a chance of succeeding over time…….. that would be shooting Super35 as a source format and then proceeding through a 4K DI process.

Directors with enough *juice* can make that happen now as bids from post houses are slowly coming in lower and lower as more people institute and refine their 4K pipelines.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Jack Torrance

Rob/PM:

For what it's worth, if this was the same demonstration at Sony I'm thinking of, a friend of mine who's an editor of a Digital filmmaking magazine was present and he was VERY impressed at what he saw.

It's worth a lot.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Can anyone out there name any of the lensers that speak for a little bit on style during this clip?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBH7kjQISks

#6……………..
Caleb Deschanel, ASC
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0221042/

[Alan Gordon]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

#6……………..
Caleb Deschanel, ASC
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0221042/

I LIKE his daughters!

~Alan

[horseflesh]

Originally Posted by Alan Gordon

I LIKE his daughters!

~Alan

I was about to ask, any relation???

[Ben]

Originally Posted by Alan Gordon

I LIKE his daughters!

~Alan

Yep... they are both gorgeous and look a lot like their mother!

[horseflesh]

Originally Posted by Ben

Yep... they are both gorgeous and look a lot like their mother!

I actually didn't know Zooey had a sister, but thanks to imdb I now know that it's Emily's birthday today

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by horseflesh

I actually didn't know Zooey had a sister, but thanks to imdb I now know that it's Emily's birthday today

You like dem Bones, eh ?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Bobby Henderson

......I just can't understand why a big action movie couldn't be filmed entirely in 5-perf 65mm......

I guess I failed to answer your question above as to why?

Primarily due to the presentation aspect, i.e.
Because some studios have already heavily invested in digital cinema, for example……….
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/...27e3b4232d49b5

and, to a lesser extent, IMAX presentations.
So, there is very little interest in outfitting theaters with 70mm projectors to reap any possible perceived value of 70mm presentations in terms of box office receipts among theater goers.

Factors of lesser importance include the production costs, starting with the fact that 65mm stock is a special order from Kodak and thusly more expensive than 35mm., plus the 70mm. cams are getting long in the tooth………………..
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=5445

Etc.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

So, there is very little interest in outfitting theaters with 70mm projectors to reap any possible perceived value of 70mm presentations in terms of box office receipts among theater goers.

Fortunately, the far less gimmicky 3D is being rolled out.

Really, what is the point of the theater if it isn't even going to try to beat the presentation offered by home theater? Maybe your 2K theaters are wonderful, but ones here are major disappointment, for me.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Factors of lesser importance include the production costs, starting with the fact that 65mm stock is a special order from Kodak and thusly more expensive than 35mm., plus the 70mm. cams are getting long in the tooth………………..
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=5445

Etc.

Even if the theaters decide not to show it, hasn't the history of home video taught Hollywood the lesson of needing to consider the future?!

How long will it be before the HD cameras commonly used will be able to capture the grandure equivalent of 65mm?

Gary

[horseflesh]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

You like dem Bones, eh ?

I've actually never watched that show (I've heard of it, so I presume we get it over here).
BTW, coincidentally yesterday (Friday) was my wedding anniversary

[Rob71]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Just wait until the James Bond Collection streets, dem screenshot scientists will have a virtual target rich environment to dissuade any fans of these movies not to rent or purchase those titles.

I really think that they would have more fun pointing out (with mag views) an example of why some HD editors should work with the largest display possible when cutting…….
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=65198

as they all seem preoccupied with the little things in life.

All six were pre-ordered, pixel watchers be damned.

As far as your link, did "it" make it passed the censors, because I must have mentally blocked it.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

It appears one of the AVS scientists is making the claim that the color timing of the Sleeping Beauty BD is wrong............

They post screenshots.

We tune into web conferences…………………..
https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=1906

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Rob71

As far as your link, did "it" make it passed the censors, because I must have mentally blocked it.

Well, that clip is kinda analogous to how the screenshot scientists present things with the resultant psychological perceptions after focused analysis.

This is the true real time (not slow motion) appearance (something like 6 min. into the segment)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZpmW5Ru424

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Rob71

All six were pre-ordered, pixel watchers be damned.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Fortunately, the far less gimmicky 3D is being rolled out.
Really, what is the point of the theater if it isn't even going to try to beat the presentation offered by home theater?

lol, well I don’t think it was a matter of not trying.
Fact is, due to the nature of the different businesses, in most peoples’ eyes, home theater displays and media have probably evolved faster than theatrical exhibition, closing what once was a horrendously wide gap in terms of picture and audio quality……..which is certainly good for people like us.

And I agree that for home theater enthusiasts with nice immersive set-ups, the visual distinction between commercial 2K (2048x1080) digital theatrical exhibition with a JPEG2000 source on single Firewire or USB2 drives --> digital cinema server vs. full HD (1920x1080) home theater displays presenting a movie encoded on a Blu-ray disc, aint much of an incentive to get most people off of their couches and driving to their local theater, esp. when you factor in things like cell phones going off, people talking, feet stuck-to-floor syndrome, human organ noises, etc.

I believe that 4K presentation utilizing 4K DCP’s as a source, has a much greater chance of enticing cinephiles back into the commercial theaters. However, the reality is that due to the competitive nature of the business, 2K exhibition is decreasing in price, faster.
So, until the 4K workflow gets quicker and cheaper, 4K capable theaters will remain a comparably boutique business for the time being.

Meanwhile, the pundits see 3D getting the masses back into their local Cineplex now, and to present 3D, you need digital projection………and it doesn’t have to be a Sony 4K projector, necessarily…………………unfortunately.
Keep in mind though, that industry eyes who have viewed previous demos, have concluded that even commercial 2K digital is sharper than fresh 35mm. Answer prints shown via a film projector.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Maybe your 2K theaters are wonderful, but ones here are major disappointment, for me.

See my last sentence above…………….. so, I don’t know what is wrong with the 2K theaters in your neck of the woods.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Can anyone out there name any of the lensers that speak for a little bit on style during this clip?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBH7kjQISks

So, nobody recognizes #4 ?
Probably one his greatest contributions to the cinematic society is that he taught students at USC film school (of which he is an alumnus) for over 15 years holding the rank of full professor at the time.

When I get the chance, I’ll try to find a webpage listing some notable lenser USC alumni to help folks focus their thinking.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Just wait until the James Bond Collection streets, dem screenshot scientists will have a virtual target rich environment to dissuade any fans of these movies not to rent or purchase those titles.

Well, if there are any differences in color between the SD DVD and BD screenshots, lookout! Most of the AVS scientists always hold the older SD DVD version as The Reference in regards to color timing, hence, just one reason why so many of them bashed Bram Stroker's Dracula and even The Godfather BDs; and one of them already going after Sleeping Beauty. In one case I also remember several people going after The Mummy movies because the contrast looked more pumped up compared to all previously released home versions.