4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

Figures...

The Maximum Frame-Average Light Level (MaxFALL) figures for the HDR master for The Lego Movie (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1490017/) broken down by reels:

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Thanks, Sony was kind enough to invite me to attend the Press Conference! I'll be reporting on Blu-ray.com what we learn. I also have personal meetings to review the 2016 products in Sony's private suite.

More to come...

-Robert

:O

I need to know where the x8 series will go as to if I hold off

[Robert Zohn]

Mike, stay tuned for updates as they become available from the Press Conference floor.

-Robert

[Adrian Wright]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Mike, stay tuned for updates as they become available from the Press Conference floor.

-Robert

Hi Robert,

Could you kindly post info regarding UHD BD players when known too please

(And if permitted)

Thank you in advance

[Robert Zohn]

Happy ^^ to do so!

-Robert

[Paul.R.S]

Originally Posted by KRW1

4k has gone mainstream. Over the years, I've seen many dumped HD and nearly HD TVs down by the bins in our apartment building but tonight I've just seen the first 4k TV dumped down there. I might attempt to salvage it later. It looks like a first gen Samsung about 55".

What city are you in/where is your apartment building?!

[jeff_rigby]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Thanks, Sony was kind enough to invite me to attend the Press Conference! I'll be reporting on Blu-ray.com what we learn. I also have personal meetings to review the 2016 products in Sony's private suite.

More to come...

-Robert

I'm interested in CE timing for Vidipath and the Blu-ray digital bridge which 2016 models and earlier should support. Sony and Microsoft have plans to support this but when?

Microsoft's Playready ND is mentioned in Panasonic-Sony UHD Blu-ray digital bridge proposals and Vidipath with Passage in Sony papers to the FCC DSTAC using a downloadable security scheme with external Network tuners for PCs, PS4, TVs and Handhelds. Playready ND papers mention game consoles being used as DVRs and for live streaming to other platforms in the home. DVR requires a network or USB tuner and Downloadable Security scheme using passage as one example. Both the Sony and Microsoft papers point to each other as a fully fleshed out scheme for the Fox president's Digital bridge proposal to the CE industry.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

The Maximum Frame-Average Light Level (MaxFALL) figures for the HDR master for The Lego Movie (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1490017/) broken down by reels:

That ^ said, for those concerned about parts of der eyes , the frame-average light level distribution for the entire movie (Reel 1- 5) shows the majority of frames averaging below 100 cd/m2 (or nits). Only ~ 3.7% of the frames throughout the entire movie exhibit more than 100 cd/m2 (nits) of frame-average light levels, while only ~ 0.02% of frames throughout the entire movie use more than 1,000 cd/m2 (nits).

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=4585
^ next time I’ll add another wink for reassurance.

Don't bother.

I’ll be “reassured” when I see a complete list of the UHD displays that have been tested and certified to specification by the UHD Alliance and awarded the UHD Premium decal.

“UHDA leadership and board members will be in attendance at the UHDA’s CES media briefing at 7 p.m. on Jan. 4, 2016, in Surf Ballroom D at the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino, immediately following CES Unveiled. “

Three weeks to go.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Mike, stay tuned for updates as they become available from the Press Conference floor.

-Robert

Thanks sir, I am close to popping on the 2015 set

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

That ^ said, for those concerned about parts of der eyes , the frame-average light level distribution for the entire movie (Reel 1- 5) shows the majority of frames averaging below 100 cd/m2 (or nits). Only ~ 3.7% of the frames throughout the entire movie exhibit more than 100 cd/m2 (nits) of frame-average light levels, while only ~ 0.02% of frames throughout the entire movie use more than 1,000 cd/m2 (nits).

What would be more interesting to me is a comparison of luminance levels for white and the primaries in comparison to the SDR master.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

What would be more interesting to me is a comparison of luminance levels for white and the primaries in comparison to the SDR master.

Well Kris , the frame average light level is very important from a power consumption perspective….of which fellow member raygendreau seems quite conflicted with recently so I thought I’d say something about that. But I’ll see what I can do (graphically) as to your request. No promises though.

[raygendreau]

“Some of the 4K televisions on the market today are capable of producing superior picture quality (e.g., brighter whites, darker blacks, and superior contrast ratios) when they receive HDR content. These televisions, generically referred to as 4K HDR or HDR capable UHD TVs, are expected to be heavily promoted to, and sought by, consumers in the near future. As no information was available about the potential energy impact of playing HDR content on these models, we tested two movies on the Samsung UHD TV model UN55JS9000, first with the 4K version of content and then with the 4K HDR-encoded edition. On average, the HDR version of the movie caused this television to use 47 percent more energy than the non-HDR version (Figure ES-3). Even though the power use of the two versions was similar for very dark scenes, it was dramatically higher (often double) on extremely bright scenes, as evident by the energy usage spikes in the graph below of a 20-minute segment from Exodus—Gods and Kings. The lesson from this testing is that HDR could have a bigger impact on television energy use than the jump to 4K by itself, particularly in combination with the other, optional UHD features and the continuing push for ever bigger screens.”

See page 7 of the PDF for a graph comparing power consumption while playing the HDR and SDR version of Exodus.

http://www.nrdc.org/energy/files/uhd...rgy-use-ES.pdf

Also see https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=4494 Perhaps you missed it.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

....Perhaps you missed it.

You really needn’t have bothered as I didn’t (miss it) the first time around and in fact, my posting above about The Lego Movie was geared to show that not all movies are encoded at luminance levels similar to that of Exodus: Gods and Kings. Not to mention, engineers from all the major players constantly work on improvements and people expect advancements to be made in the future to better manage the power consumption/performance tradeoffs.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

You really needn’t have bothered as I didn’t (miss it) the first time around and in fact, my posting above about The Lego Movie was geared to show that not all movies are encoded at luminance levels similar to that of Exodus: Gods and Kings. Not to mention, engineers from all the major players constantly work on improvements and people expect advancements to be made in the future to better manage the power consumption/performance tradeoffs.

I know you didn't miss it, but Kris Deering may have.

I'm not impressed with Samsung's response to this issue, seems they are looking at Volkswagen's playbook on how to cheat the system.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...9&postcount=46

I can tell you where I see this going. Undefeatable Power Saving/Eco settings and ABL on displays

[raygendreau]

Looks like Sony began protesting power consumption restrictions early on.

"Undoubtedly, UHD televisions require additional energy for the panel to produce the same amount of light as HD televisions. Aperture ratio in some UHD panels may be smaller compared to HD panels. Panels with the same number of LEOs will pass through less light on a UHD panel. To obtain a desirable light output luminance on a UHD panel, the LEDs must be driven higher causing the energy consumption to increase. Additional 4K processing devices and advanced audio systems in UHD televisions require additional energy which affect the overall power consumption. Dimming circuits in some cases can affect the power consumption as well. Please refer to the attached document for additional information.

No UHD television on the market today can achieve the power levels proposed in Draft 1. We ask the EPA to consider these facts in consideration to introduce more realistic power levels for HD and UHD televisions. "

http://www.energystar.gov/sites/defa...raft1V7TVs.pdf

[raygendreau]

So, what really killed 4K Plasma? Energy consumption restrictions played a big part in it:

"Earlier this year, we measured 304 watts from a calibrated Panasonic TX-P65VT65B 1080p plasma. Considering that a 4K plasma features four times the number of pixels that need to be driven, not to mention a smaller pixel pitch which will demand more energy to deliver the same brightness, we’d say there’s virtually no chance of a 4K Ultra HD plasma TV keeping under the EU’s power consumption limit, unless manufacturers dim down the default, out-of-the-box picture mode so much that it’s unusable for normal viewing.

Similar energy legislations are enforced elsewhere too, making 4K plasmas all but a pipe dream. For example, in the state of California effective 1st of January 2013, the maximum power consumption allowed for TVs below the size of 58 inches is 0.12 * screen area (in2) + 25 watts. For a 55-inch TV, that’s 180 watts. The most recent 55in full HD plasma we’ve reviewed, the Panasonic TX-P55VT65B, has already gone past this limit with a measured power usage of 260 watts in its calibrated mode – a UHD plasma television won’t stand a chance.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/4k-pl...1311133417.htm

[eriaur]

HEVC Advance releases revised licensing terms

http://www.streamingmedia.com/Articl...ms-108230.aspx
http://hevcadvance.com/pdf/RoyaltyRatesSummary.pdf

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

So, what really killed 4K Plasma? Energy consumption restrictions played a big part in it:

"Earlier this year, we measured 304 watts from a calibrated Panasonic TX-P65VT65B 1080p plasma. Considering that a 4K plasma features four times the number of pixels that need to be driven, not to mention a smaller pixel pitch which will demand more energy to deliver the same brightness, we’d say there’s virtually no chance of a 4K Ultra HD plasma TV keeping under the EU’s power consumption limit, unless manufacturers dim down the default, out-of-the-box picture mode so much that it’s unusable for normal viewing.

Similar energy legislations are enforced elsewhere too, making 4K plasmas all but a pipe dream. For example, in the state of California effective 1st of January 2013, the maximum power consumption allowed for TVs below the size of 58 inches is 0.12 * screen area (in2) + 25 watts. For a 55-inch TV, that’s 180 watts. The most recent 55in full HD plasma we’ve reviewed, the Panasonic TX-P55VT65B, has already gone past this limit with a measured power usage of 260 watts in its calibrated mode – a UHD plasma television won’t stand a chance.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/4k-pl...1311133417.htm

I can move out of the EU if needed

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by eriaur

HEVC Advance releases revised licensing terms

Still a shakedown.