"Club Penton" - Ask questions to Hollywood insider "Penton-Man"

[DenonCI]

The replacement of TFE was a great gesture on Sony's part and it should be commended, not vilified.

[Robert Harris]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

The “vendor in question” previously had a long history of providing outstanding work and their CTO I believe has been awarded not one but two? Scientific and Technology awards by the Academy in years past for his work in the business.

Relevance for poor work?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Robert Harris

Relevance for poor work?

See……………..
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=4679----- waaaay back on the last page.

Folks, now I know and appreciate how the Japanese hooker felt at the beginning of this scene with Bill Murray’s character in………....... Lost in Translation -
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0335266/

http://www.spike.com/video/lost-in-translation/2476226

[kpkelley]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Folks, now I know and appreciate how the Japanese hooker felt at the beginning of this scene with Bill Murray’s character in………....... Lost in Translation -
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0335266/

http://www.spike.com/video/lost-in-translation/2476226

Perhaps I can help translate for you.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

The “vendor in question” previously had a long history of providing outstanding work and their CTO I believe has been awarded not one but two? Scientific and Technology awards by the Academy in years past for his work in the business.

I believe RAH's point was that despite his previous work, which very well could have been exemplary and won said contract, the work in the aforementioned title was less than satisfactory. You even admit that here:

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well, since I’m in a revealing mood, let me say that remember way, way back during the first week of June in which I was acting as an emissary for you all …………………..
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=3708

Shortly thereafter, the respective studio’s techie people reviewed a copy of said title, recognized the less than optimal appearance in terms of the duplication of the original theatrical experience, and decided to place a head honcho from their film preservation dept. to directly Q/A all future Blu-ray catalogue titles from the various post houses that they contract for their work.

So, if they were aware that the title was inadequate then why did they continue with the release rather than "go back to formula" and create a new encode that would have met the criteria that is being assigned to future releases?

And if it was too late in the process to re-encode for that release could a re-release with a new encode be created and replace the original release which they believed did not live up to the intentions of the theatrical presentation?

[saprano]

cant we all Just get along? or better yet agree to disagree? i love the both of you and you guys give some great info but i dont want to see you fight again

[hollywoodguy]

Originally Posted by kpkelley

the work in the aforementioned title was less than satisfactory. (...)

So, if they were aware that the title was inadequate (...)

Matter of opinion?

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movie...79&show=review

[Braktastic]

Originally Posted by hollywoodguy

Matter of opinion?

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movie...79&show=review

The great thing about opinions is that you don't have to be informed to have one. Oh, wait. Maybe that's not one of the great things about opinions...

[kpkelley]

Originally Posted by hollywoodguy

Matter of opinion?

No, straight from the horses mouth so to speak:

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Shortly thereafter, the respective studio’s techie people reviewed a copy of said title, recognized the less than optimal appearance in terms of the duplication of the original theatrical experience, and decided to place a head honcho from their film preservation dept. to directly Q/A all future Blu-ray catalogue titles from the various post houses that they contract for their work.

[Esox50]

Let's go back to ripping on Amir...that was much more fun (and easy)...

[Brain Sturgeon]

Look folks, as long as we're on the topic of beating a dead horse, I've seen just as much, if not more, whining and dead horse beating recently by people who do not think that DNR on Patton or on "BD in general" is an issue than by those who do.

It is a fact that DNR was applied in a detrimental fashion to Patton-- I don't think there is anybody "in the know" or even those of us that are Amateur Digital Video Masters of the Custodial Arts (myself included) that would deny this. Now, whether or not this is an issue for you is a personal thing, likely based on screen size and whether you like that kind of a "look" to your films or not. Suffice it to say, it is a fact that what is on the BD is not representative of what it was on film.

This fact has been passed on to the Fox folks per PM, and they get it. End of story. I let this issue go long ago. I believe Robert had too, as I have not seen any "*****ing and moaning" from him in this or other threads re: this issue until his last two posts, which were largely in response to PM's recent revisitation of the topic in his thread and here (I do admit that my reading of threads is not comprehensive though). Even in the thread titled "Robert A. Harris lists his "quality" Blu-ray discs", there was nary a post by RAH discussing this issue, even when the whole DNR/EE/whatever hated-post-processing-on-BD's du jour topic came out big time in that thread.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

I've stopped posting or trying to educate people on this issue in regards to Patton, because I think it has been addressed, and because there are better people than I to educate others (Deci and RAH for instance). But I am just as sick and tired of having people "***** and moan" about people who find this title a problem when it actually is a problem, just because they don't feel it is a problem.

I think both sides need to let this go, and let the people who are in charge of producing these BD's (hopefully) take care of it.

[Robert Harris]

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[blitz6speed]

Originally Posted by Esox50

Let's go back to ripping on Amir...that was much more fun (and easy)...

Who?

[Alan Gordon]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

See……………..
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=4679----- waaaay back on the last page.

Originally Posted by kpkelley

Perhaps I can help translate for you.

I'm not sure you did a good job as I believe Penton was SAYING that that conversation needed to be done OFF-LINE (or possibly via PM) away from "PRYING EYES"!

~Alan

[Robert Harris]

Originally Posted by Brain Sturgeon

I think both sides need to let this go, and let the people who are in charge of producing these BD's (hopefully) take care of it.

Accurately and nicely said.

[Robert Harris]

Penton,

If I might request one thing of you, or whoever the phantom is that links to this site...

While I'm perfectly happy to discuss tech issues with you, it would be appreciated if you could do so in a mature manner, without casting personal dispersions against me in cutely linking to Lost in Translation.

If you're seeking someone to "lip your stockings," I'm afraid you'll have to look elsewhere.

A very simple request. Stick to the facts, and discuss them intelligently.

[kpkelley]

Originally Posted by Alan Gordon

I'm not sure you did a good job as I believe Penton was SAYING that that conversation needed to be done OFF-LINE (or possibly via PM) away from "PRYING EYES"!

~Alan

Regardless of the DNR Issue I am interested in whether the studio in question knowingly continued on in the process after realizing an error or whether the error was not found until too late in the process to correct.

Studios in the past have re-issued blu's because of technical errors, POTC - Disney, TFE - Sony, is there the possibility that this studio does so with the release in question?

[SquidPuppet]

[QUOTE=Brain Sturgeon;1072940] But I am just as sick and tired of having people "***** and moan" about people who find this title a problem when it actually is a problem, just because they don't feel it is a problem.

QUOTE]

To be clear about my position. I see the title as a big problem. I believe that the redundancy of repeatedly making the same point has become tiresome. My complaint was not in defense of the work on that title, it targeted the need to complain post resolution.

[Robert Harris]

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

To be clear about my position. I see the title as a big problem. I believe that the redundancy of repeatedly making the same point has become tiresome. My complaint was not in defense of the work on that title, it targeted the need to complain post resolution.

If this is directed toward me, you might wish to re-examine. Penton has dragged this discussion back on line again, making obtuse comments that bear little position to reality.

I'm merely asking him to explain himself.

For the record, this problem is still out there, as the publisher has given no information as to how they plan to handle the problem now that Penton has helped them understand and solve the issues at hand.

Hopefully Rupert picked up the meal.

[Esox50]

Originally Posted by Brain Sturgeon

Look folks, as long as we're on the topic of beating a dead horse, I've seen just as much, if not more, whining and dead horse beating recently by people who do not think that DNR on Patton or on "BD in general" is an issue than by those who do.

I think both sides need to let this go, and let the people who are in charge of producing these BD's (hopefully) take care of it.

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[Alan Gordon]

Originally Posted by Robert Harris

On a purely technical level, someone at the studio had to select a vendor based upon a perception of the work, assign the job to a vendor, instruct that vendor to de-grain, and then approve the job. None of this occurs in a vapor.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well I wouldn’t call the first release “a lemon” and I really think that we should take further discussion of this offline because I assumed that Bill Hunt should have gotten you in the loop by now.

~Alan