What movies will you get in 4K?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by spectre08

what movies will I get in 4K?

I’d like this one, as previously explained…. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...it#post8129563

[AintNoSin]

2001 - I've owned at least one copy in every format since VHS.
The Star Wars Original Trilogy (if they eventually release the unaltered films).
The New Trilogy (Ep 7 to 9) plus any of the other new SW films that don't suck.
Jurassic Park
Lawrence of Arabia
Branagh's Hamlet - If they do a better, less DNRed transfer.
Saving Private Ryan
Blade Runner

[Flatnate]

Hmmm, lets see... the obvious ones mainly.

These would be ones I'd consider double dipping on...

2001
Alien
Baraka/Samsara
Blade Runner
Ghostbusters I/II
Lawrence of Arabia
Patton
Tron I/II

[spectre08]

Probably covered already. But other than new release movies, which I will definitely be buying in Ultra HD Blu-ray, I would look primarily for catalog titles that were shot in either 70mm or 4K digital.

The advantage of UHD on a 35mm film or a film shot in 2K digital would be there, but more minimal.

Where UHD is really going to blow people out of the water though is in proper 4K transfers of 70mm films.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by gkolb

For all the talk about and listings of catalog films, that are all fan favorites, WHAT IF the studios decide to start off with current release tent-pole films like, oh say, Avengers Ultron and the like that are 2015 theatrical releases, and see how those sell on 4k discs, before they commit to the older stuff.

Would you as a consumer buy some or a lot of these newer films on the street date, while they are on sale, before you even own any 4k equipment? My current thought is that I probably will, because that is how I got into 1080p/blu ray. I bought Blade Runner and a number of other newer movies before ever getting a PS3 for my son, for blu ray for our films and games for him.

I do not pretend to know what business model the studios have in mind for 4k media, heck it could differ from studio to studio. I do think it's possible they test the waters, so to speak, with blockbusters before they go into uncharted waters with the catalog stuff. Just look at all the films on this forum that we want on blu, and are still just dvd.
Or some are even out-of-print dvd's, or dvd-mods.

What are you prepared to do as a consumer to support a new format so that our dollars spent show the studios that we are "walking" the walk, not just talking/ bs'ing?

Depending on a variety of factors, such as price, availability, whether or not all of that DRM nonsense goes forward or not....

If things work out in a manner that is favorable/acceptible to me, and the price is reasonable, I could see starting to buy new movies going forward in the 4K BD format if they come in a combo pack with the regular, standard Blu-Ray. If they don't come in combo packs, that may be a bit trickier...

I do not have a 4K TV and probably won't get one for several years (I just got the Samsung F8500 Plasma last summer). I may get a 4K BD player if the price is right, but if they are $500+ at launch, I'll hold off on getting one right away. I am interested in seeing how much better 4K BD can look even on a TV like the one I have. Even though it's not 4K and I'm sure the content will likely look better on a 4K TV, I would imagine that the improvement will still be noticable on high end / large 1080p displays.

But anyway, if I don't get a player right away, I'll have a harder time buying the movies if they aren't in combo packs with the regular Blu-Ray. I don't want to start buying movies that I just can't watch at all. And even if the players are reasonably priced at launch and I get one, I still will only have the one player in one room, while I have other BD players in other rooms, so I may have to prioritize what I get on the format and what I don't if they don't include a standard BD with them.


All of that being said, assuming combo packs will be the standard (and assuming no limiting DRM on the use of the UHD BD discs), this is what I would likely buy on the format...

- All new movies going forward that get released on UHD BD.

- Major blockbuster catalog titles (i.e. the Star Wars films, Back to the Future, Indiana Jones, so on and so forth... ).

- Other catalog titles that I may want to get that for whatever reason I simply don't already have on regular Blu-Ray.

- Any rebuying of other catalog titles (that don't fall under that 'blockbuster' category) that I already have on Blu-Ray will very limited. I would probably limit it to movies that come out with a high quality, proper remastering for UHD BD, and previously had a bad transfer or had a lot of DNR applied to them in their previous Blu-Ray release, etc.


I don't see myself going as "wild" in rebuying movies on UHD BD as I have rebuying movies on BD. I know that technically all movies benefit from higher resolution and all, but between the expense and HD still being good looking overall (when the transfers are done properly), I just can't see rebuying every comedy movie that I have and so forth. This will be a format in which my repurchases of movies that I already have on BD will be relatively limited, and otherwise be a go forward format only for new movies, or movies that I either don't already have or haven't yet upgraded from DVD or VHS.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Even though it's not 4K and I'm sure the content will likely look better on a 4K TV, I would imagine that the improvement will still be noticable on high end / large 1080p displays.

IMO that is a non-starter, no HDMI 2.0 HDCP 2.2, no playback of UHD BD. Same for Sony FMP-X1 and X10.

[AudioWarrior]

All classics that have been DNR'ed to death, even though it was unwarranted! Also the potential for bad Masters to get better treatment with a 4k scan from the Master tapes!

Some of my all time favorites, even though some of them don't really need a 4k remaster, but deserve one includes:

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy
The Matrix Trilogy
Jurassic Park
The Original Star Wars both remastered and unremastered
Terminator 1&2
Gladiator
BraveHeart
Rob Roy
Pixar movies like the Incredibles
The Dark Knight
Batman Begins
Pirates of the Caribbean Trilogy
Harry Potter movies - It's a must!!!
Bruce Lee movies - They need it bad!
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon - The current 4k release doesn't cut it!
IP Man
All Hayao Miyazaki movies!
The Good the Bad the Ugly , including most classic westerns
letters from iwo jima
Casino Royal
Hero
The first Ironman movie
Avengers
Sin City
Kill Bill
Cast Away - A new 4k Remaster would look great!
The Lion King
The Cove
The Snow Walker
The Mission
Apocalypto
2001: A Space Odyssey
Pathfinder (1987)
Back to the Future Trilogy
Predator - It needs it!
The Crow - IT needs it!
The Abyss
Jaws
Indiana Jones Trilogy - Forget the fourth one!
Troy
The Rock - guilty pleasure
Pearl Harbor
The Shawshank Redemption
Dances With Wolves
Quest for Fire
The Edge (1997)
Conan the Barbarian (1982)
The Thing (1982)
The Last Samurai
Planet Earth
Human Planet
Natures most Amazing Events
3:10 to Yuma
The Fifth Element
Leon
Night of the Living Dead (1990)
Steven Spielberg's Taken
Rome
Sliders - Yeah, I love this show
X-Files - It's a must. I waited too long for this one!
The Last of the Mochicans

Probably a couple dozen more but I'll leave it at that!



As for recent movies:
Intersteller
Guardians of the Galaxy
X-Men: Days of Future Past
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Dawn of the Planet of the Apes
How to Train Your Dragon 2
300: Rise of an Empire

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

IMO that is a non-starter, no HDMI 2.0 HDCP 2.2, no playback of UHD BD. Same for Sony FMP-X1 and X10.

According to the leaked Sony documents the aim is for the UHD BD units to downscale output to 1080p if HDCP 2.2 isn't detected. And given what we know about the benefits of oversampling, it's entirely possible that a UHD BD downscaled to 1080p will look slightly better than a native 1080p presentation of the same material, especially if some filtering has already been applied to the latter.

As for what movies I'd get, I've already said as many of my favourites as I can get my hands on, but with this year's slate of blockbuster movies that are actually FINISHED in 4K - unlike most in that last little list of AudioWarrior's above - the future's looking a bit rosier for contemporary features too.

I honestly didn't think that the studios (who aren't Sony) would embrace the 4K format so quickly for theatrical finishes, but (as an exiled member pointed out) the finishing line must be getting pretty close for UHD BD. Jurassic World, Terminator Genisys, Tomorrowland, Fantastic Four, Rogue Nation, Star Wars, Mockingjay Pt 2 (as well as pt 1 and Catching Fire before it), they're all 4K.

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I honestly didn't think that the studios (who aren't Sony) would embrace the 4K format so quickly for theatrical finishes, but (as an exiled member pointed out) the finishing line must be getting pretty close for UHD BD. Jurassic World, Terminator Genisys, Tomorrowland, Fantastic Four, Rogue Nation, Star Wars, Mockingjay Pt 2 (as well as pt 1 and Catching Fire before it), they're all 4K.

you're probably looking there are a pretty solid list for potential release titles.

[Geoff D]

Indeed. Mix in a few catalogue classics and that'd be a VERY solid line-up of UHD BD goodness to get started with.

[bailey1987]

I'm calling it now, U-571 from Universal.

[lulu251777]

Many modern films are captured with the Alexa XT cameras that are actually only capable of recording a 2.8k (3.2k-ish open gate) image, so I have a hard time finding recent films that would be worth the upgrade. I have no interest in buying films that were shot and mastered in 2k and have been upscaled to 4k for the sakes of financial profit (not even higher bit rates would make the difference for these ones-1080p/8bit is just fine IMO). On that note, if the film was actually captured and mastered in native 4k (not upscaled like Skyfall, Thor:TDW or Mockingjay 1/2) then I'll consider, but the truth is that the list of choices is still very short. Catalogue titles (35mm,70mm etc) would probably be the ones with the most availability straight away.

Tron would be nice to watch in 4k.

[Geoff D]

It's not all about spatial resolution, as the higher bit depth and wider colour gamut of UHD BD will still offer an improvement for HD content over regular BD, that's why 1080p has been included in the UHD BD spec.

And although a bayer-array 2.8K image may not be as technically proficient in terms of pure pixels (though it's for the excellent dynamic range that Alexa has become so popular) the 'Open Gate' 3.4K mode is near-as-damn-it to 4K so I'm not going to turn my nose up at 4K-finished films which have been shot in such a manner.

Straight upscales of 2K material is a slightly different story. If done well, i.e. straight from the 10/12 bit DPX files (or whatever it's been archived in) rather than existing pre-filtered home video masters, then it could offer an appreciable difference over the 1080p BD, especially when combined with the other benefits mentioned above. But they'd be wise not to put out any 2K -> 4K upscales too early, lest UHD BD get a reputation from sage internet commentators decrying it as a sham of a format...

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by AintNoSin

2001 - I've owned at least one copy in every format since VHS.

Originally Posted by Flatnate

Hmmm, lets see... the obvious ones mainly.
These would be ones I'd consider double dipping on...

2001

Interview obtained with S.K. during the principal photography of 2001, as posted on brain pickings -
http://www.brainpickings.org/2013/11...ick-interview/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by lulu251777

Many modern films are captured with the Alexa XT cameras that are actually only capable of recording a 2.8k (3.2k-ish open gate) image, so I have a hard time finding recent films that would be worth the upgrade. I have no interest in buying films that were shot and mastered in 2k and have been upscaled to 4k for the sakes of financial profit (not even higher bit rates would make the difference for these ones-1080p/8bit is just fine IMO). On that note, if the film was actually captured and mastered in native 4k (not upscaled like Skyfall, Thor:TDW or Mockingjay 1/2) then I'll consider, but the truth is that the list of choices is still very short. Catalogue titles (35mm,70mm etc) would probably be the ones with the most availability straight away.

Tron would be nice to watch in 4k.

Granted, the digital list (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=220755 ) is more modest than the over 400 title celluloid list (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=218262 but even removing increased spatial resolution from the *UHD equation*, something to keep in mind is that Ultra HD Blu-ray will include greater bit depth and wider color primaries than your traditional 8bit Rec. 709 Blu-rays. And the studio stables are chock full of that content.

[Geoff D]

That's what I said.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It's not all about spatial resolution, as the higher bit depth and wider colour gamut of UHD BD will still offer an improvement for HD content over regular BD, that's why 1080p has been included in the UHD BD spec.

And although a bayer-array 2.8K image may not be as technically proficient in terms of pure pixels (though it's for the excellent dynamic range that Alexa has become so popular) the 'Open Gate' 3.4K mode is near-as-damn-it to 4K so I'm not going to turn my nose up at 4K-finished films which have been shot in such a manner.

Straight upscales of 2K material is a slightly different story. If done well, i.e. straight from the 10/12 bit DPX files (or whatever it's been archived in) rather than existing pre-filtered home video masters, then it could offer an appreciable difference over the 1080p BD, especially when combined with the other benefits mentioned above. But they'd be wise not to put out any 2K -> 4K upscales too early, lest UHD BD get a reputation from sage internet commentators decrying it as a sham of a format...

Shoot, I should have first scrolled and read down the page as it could have saved me response time so as to get my feet up and watch hopefully Man U lose so as to solidify our (Arsenal’s) placement in the top 4.

lulu, listen to Geoff.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That's what I said.

I know, see above. I normally read thread posts in order unless somebody posts a pic or something like a YouTube clip that first catches me eye.

[lulu251777]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It's not all about spatial resolution, as the higher bit depth and wider colour gamut of UHD BD will still offer an improvement for HD content over regular BD, that's why 1080p has been included in the UHD BD spec.

And although a bayer-array 2.8K image may not be as technically proficient in terms of pure pixels (though it's for the excellent dynamic range that Alexa has become so popular) the 'Open Gate' 3.4K mode is near-as-damn-it to 4K so I'm not going to turn my nose up at 4K-finished films which have been shot in such a manner.

Straight upscales of 2K material is a slightly different story. If done well, i.e. straight from the 10/12 bit DPX files (or whatever it's been archived in) rather than existing pre-filtered home video masters, then it could offer an appreciable difference over the 1080p BD, especially when combined with the other benefits mentioned above. But they'd be wise not to put out any 2K -> 4K upscales too early, lest UHD BD get a reputation from sage internet commentators decrying it as a sham of a format...

I understand it's not all about pixels and there's more to consider, I just don't think it really makes difference enough to make me spend more money on it (not yet that is). I wish studios would just take the leap already. Wouldn't it be great to have true 4k 10-16bit (might as well dream) content being produced and made available to the consumer? But in the meanwhile i'll settle for 1080p/8bit. (sorry if I came on too strong, I guess I'm just too much of a purist and that's not always good)

[Deathbymonkeys]

I'd keep it smaller as bluray makes me happy for most stuff like comedies and dramas. But these would be must haves for me:

Star Wars (All of them)
Hobbit and LOTR
Star Trek (all)
Transformers (All)
Jurassic park (All)

And I'm sure more in that vein.