8K discussion thread

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

the first HDTVs was 1998 https://www.zdnet.com/article/sony-shows-off-hdtv/

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

The first 8K TV was shown at the 2013 CES Show by Sharp.

This graph from Digital TV News shows what type of TVs, and how many, were shipped each year from 2008 to 2017. Notice how many non-CRT TVs were shipped in 2008, which is ten years after those first HD TVs. Ten years since their launch in 1998, HD TVs made up the majority of TV shipments.

2021 was eight years after we saw the first 8K TVs and in 2021 only 350,000 8K TVs shipped, which was an anemic 0.15% of the total.

"8K accounted for just 0.15 percent of all TV shipments in 2021, or about 350,000 total units."

https://www.extremetech.com/electron...lready-falling

There was great enthusiasm for HD; there is, after 9 years, none for 8K.

[LordoftheRings]

I bet that by 2027 the color orange will still be leading by a wide margin.
And same by the year 2032.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

the first HDTVs was 1998 https://www.zdnet.com/article/sony-shows-off-hdtv/

what is your point that it can take close to a couple of decades before demand builds up?

It didn't take "a couple of decades" for HDTV to become entrenched in consumer's homes. It took a little over one: 2009.

2012 - first 4K TVs go on sale after the failure of 3D TV to take hold. Less than 10 years later you can't buy a 50+" HDTV. 4K only.

The reason why the TV OEMS had to bring 8k TVs to the market was due to their price cutting of their premium 4K TVs. They no longer had any big margin products to sell. But now things have changed. We are seeing more expensive 4K TVs with all the bells, lights and whistles they can cram into them. Why?

Cause very few are buying their high margin 8K TVs.

[singhcr]

I'm very sad at the thought of mass market major studio releases of discs being gone in ten years.

When I got into collecting records a decade or so ago I quickly found that the end of vinyl releases was the early 1990s which coincided with the end of analog multitrack recording for the songs themselves, with those pressings generally very rare and oftentimes not in the US. Cassettes lasted much longer, ending in the early 2000s and by that time they were quite shitty as they didn't even use Dolby B NR. When one technology surpasses the existing one the older one won't last forever with the exception of DVD that just keeps on truckin'.

So where are we now on the scale? In 5 years will we see just the big new releases getting a disc release of any sort?

(I am aware that vinyl is much more popular now but I am referring to the AAA releases. Almost all LPs of modern music are pressed with CD quality masters and not the 48/24 or 96/24 studio masters and the majority of new re-releases of catalog music are off digital sources too even if they were originally recorded on tape. So while it's good for the format overall, the quality of new records relative to what they used to be are lacking even if the pressing process itself is better. Long story but music fidelity standards have been garbage for decades both on the recording and especially consumer playback end despite high quality analog and digital options being available for a long time. Movies have gotten better in terms of capture, DI and audience consumption options both in the theater and at home but not music.)

[Rick Grimes]

In ten years, discs will still be around, but it will be much like it is now, with DVD still being used (studios will continue to use DVD until the end of days). It is cheap and nasty and many can’t see the sense in paying more for a movie on Blu-Ray and 4K Blu-Ray, ‘cos to them, they don’t see things like uptick in fine detail. I know people who watch TV series on their f*cking phones!
Much of the lower socioeconomic citizens only have access to the internet on their phones, with many of them not even having PC’s nowadays. To access social media, they still buy DVD’s, as they are half the price of a UHD BD in Australia and they are still sold at supermarkets here even.

While bodgy 4K TV’s are cheap now, and they pick them up from Aldi (“Bhaun” don’t even have 24p playback), people are not adopting UHD BD players, as they cost almost as much as the TV!

UHD BD is a niche market in a niche market (Blu-Ray). Blu-Ray will still be around (and I hope eventually Disney dumps their Marvel and Star Wars content on BD), but in ten years. streaming will go hand in hand with DVD, and we will simply continue to see much, much less on UHD BD (even now, Australia gets only 3-4 4K titles a month).
Even Cable TV in Australia is switching off. You now have to get a Set-Top box that runs via the internet (glad I’ve got Satellite pay TV).

Therefore, an 8K format would not be necessary in ten years, no matter how well 8K TV’s sell.
An upscaled 4K BD will suffice and 8K streaming will be the way to get content…

And I’m sure it will be only those with unlimited data plans who will be interested in native 8K content. There will be very little interest in 8K from the lower to middle class. I know that many of them are “content to watch content” via DVD on their 4K TV’s… A sad state of affairs.

[Lee A Stewart]

^^^^^^^^^^^

Joe Six Pack has never put quality at the top of his list. It has always been and will always be: Price, Choice. And Joe makes up the lion's share of the market. The only reason he bought HDTVs and now 4KTVs is - he has no other choices

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by singhcr

I'm very sad at the thought of mass market major studio releases of discs being gone in ten years.

What a waste to be sad about something bad that hasn't happened and most likely won't happen.

I wouldn't waste any sadness on that currently.

I've been here over 10 years and I think more people were willing to believe this kind of BS 10 years ago.

If I'm willing to buy something, someone will be willing to sell it. Buy discs and they will continue to be sold.

Right now the studios know that I'll buy ANYTHING that I have already on DVD or Blu Ray if they release the UHD BD. At the same time I see more new releases lately than ever.

I guess if you like to worry, go ahead.

[Robert Zohn]

LG just gave us the first allocation of the 2022 88" Z2 Signature Series 8K OLED TV

Shipping the week of June 19th (Father's Day) and available to order now.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

LG just gave us the first allocation of the 2022 88" Z2 Signature Series 8K OLED TV

Shipping the week of June 19th (Father's Day) and available to order now.

[Show spoiler]

For what the 88" LG Z2 costs ($25K), it should include the furniture in that picture.

For an additional $1000, I'd rather have the JVC NZ9 8K laser projector.

I can't afford either one, but when I dream I dream bigger than 88".

[Robert Zohn]

I wanted to show LG's new 88" Z2 wall mounted as this is the first year we can wall mount this stunning new 8K OLED TV.

[Rick Grimes]

Originally Posted by bhampton

What a waste to be sad about something bad that hasn't happened and most likely won't happen.

I wouldn't waste any sadness on that currently.

I've been here over 10 years and I think more people were willing to believe this kind of BS 10 years ago.

If I'm willing to buy something, someone will be willing to sell it. Buy discs and they will continue to be sold.

Right now the studios know that I'll buy ANYTHING that I have already on DVD or Blu Ray if they release the UHD BD. At the same time I see more new releases lately than ever.

I guess if you like to worry, go ahead.

Unfortunately (for UHD), that upgrading philosophy holds true less for 4K discs then for Blu-Ray. I updated almost every single DVD (100’s of ‘em), to Blu-Ray, with the exception of about 3 films I need to import and 1 that hadn’t got a legit Blu-Ray release (eg. The Year of Living Dangerously). But I am selective with what I choose to upgrade to UHD, although that list is growing all the time.

Originally Posted by Vilya

For what the 88" LG Z2 costs ($25K), it should include the furniture in that picture.

For an additional $1000, I'd rather have the JVC NZ9 8K laser projector.

I can't afford either one, but when I dream I dream bigger than 88".

$25K was what I looking to spend on a low km new’ish used car! At these prices, I can see why 8K TV’s have almost no market share. Way too pricey at present.

[Lee A Stewart]

Sharp/NEC to Showcase 120” 8K Monitor Powered by Intel Smart Display Module (SDM) at ISE 2022

https://www.displaydaily.com/article...dm-at-ise-2022

[LordoftheRings]

There's no 8K material except for YouTube stuff and even then ...

No problemo, make our own Pro 8K RAW stuff material ... all in the family
https://ymcinema.com/2022/05/08/the-...aw-revolution/

[unberechenbar]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

There's no 8K material except for YouTube stuff and even then ...

No problemo, make our own Pro 8K RAW stuff material ... all in the family
https://ymcinema.com/2022/05/08/the-...aw-revolution/

Why is the Sony camera in that article like 10 times the price of the other two?

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by unberechenbar

Why is the Sony camera in that article like 10 times the price of the other two?

I don't know. Sony is like Apple...monopoly with their own accessories.
For example check the prices of their OLED TVs, and their smartphones.
• https://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia...eview-2419.php
$1,600 US ^ (without a charger and without a cable)

Sony cameras are used quite often in the movie business.
They make quality lenses.

* Sony 8K TVs?
https://www.sony.ca/en/electronics/t...ons/z9j-series

[LordoftheRings]

Seeing is believing ... nuff said

8K HDR Best Mix 2022 Part II Dolby Vision | Test Your TV - YouTube

[LexInHD]

Originally Posted by unberechenbar

Why is the Sony camera in that article like 10 times the price of the other two?

The Sony camera is a legit Cinema camera and part of a vast cinema and television production ecosystem sold by Sony. The Nikon DSLR and Canon Cinema camera hardware is intended for people who "shoot videos", usually for Internet consumption, and have no real foothold outside of niche uses, like music video production or documentary stuff or shot-specific cameras in large productions.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

The first 8K TV was shown at the 2013 CES Show by Sharp.

Originally Posted by Anthony P

the first HDTVs was 1998 https://www.zdnet.com/article/sony-shows-off-hdtv/

what is your point that it can take close to a couple of decades before demand builds up?

Originally Posted by Vilya

Eight years after that first HD TV we had blu-ray disc (2006).

Eight years after the first 8K TV all we have are 8K cat videos on youtube.

Demand built up because people could see the benefits of HD and the availability of HD content was growing fast. Studios backed HD, hardware and software makers backed HD, and consumers actually wanted HD.

Originally Posted by Vilya

This graph from Digital TV News shows what type of TVs, and how many, were shipped each year from 2008 to 2017. Notice how many non-CRT TVs were shipped in 2008, which is ten years after those first HD TVs. Ten years since their launch in 1998, HD TVs made up the majority of TV shipments.

2021 was eight years after we saw the first 8K TVs and in 2021 only 350,000 8K TVs shipped, which was an anemic 0.15% of the total.

"8K accounted for just 0.15 percent of all TV shipments in 2021, or about 350,000 total units."

https://www.extremetech.com/electron...lready-falling

There was great enthusiasm for HD; there is, after 9 years, none for 8K.

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

It didn't take "a couple of decades" for HDTV to become entrenched in consumer's homes. It took a little over one: 2009.

2012 - first 4K TVs go on sale after the failure of 3D TV to take hold. Less than 10 years later you can't buy a 50+" HDTV. 4K only.

The reason why the TV OEMS had to bring 8k TVs to the market was due to their price cutting of their premium 4K TVs. They no longer had any big margin products to sell. But now things have changed. We are seeing more expensive 4K TVs with all the bells, lights and whistles they can cram into them. Why?

Cause very few are buying their high margin 8K TVs.

sorry if my post caused some confusion. That Sony TV was not the first with HD resolution. it was the first Sony with an HD TV tuner. according to https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org...ion_television

In 1981, the first HDTV demonstration in the United States was held.

back then I was still in elementary school so not really paying attention to all this.

That Sony was also the first HD display I owned, I bought it when HD broadcasts where available in my area.

I agree with you guys, Without 8k content there is no need to rush out and buy an 8k TV just to add scaling artifacts to the mix. that being said if someone's 50" Tv brakes right now it is not even a choice and if my 75" TV brakes I would probably buy an 8K TV even if it is too early for it.

as to the graph Don't know what you think it shows. In the early days of HD there where a few CRT 1080i sets and there were definitely a lot of flat panels that were not 1080(i or p). But even at that it still shows that 2 years after BD came out around 1/2 the TVs shipped (not sold which could be the next year) were still CRT TVs.

the point is the start is always slow for new formats, yes there are some people that are nuts and willing to pay a pretty penny to get the max but most people wait until the feature trickles down to something they can afford a lot more easily and it is needed. I don't thin most feel as strongly as this post implies

Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

No because I'm perfectly fine with 1080p. My hope is my current plasmas outlive me so I don't have to upgrade.

where they would rather die than upgrade. I know if for some reason all new TVs had only one pixel I would consdier it a tragedy but I would still rather live in such a world.

[ewsjr]

Originally Posted by Vilya

For what the 88" LG Z2 costs ($25K), it should include the furniture in that picture.

For an additional $1000, I'd rather have the JVC NZ9 8K laser projector.

I can't afford either one, but when I dream I dream bigger than 88".

Well on the plus side you'd be saving 5 grand buying this instead of the 97G2.

[LordoftheRings]

Underwater World 12K HDR 60fps ( Dolby Vision ) - YouTube