8K discussion thread

[JohnAV]

Qualcomm’s New Chips Will Bring 8K Video and ‘No Limit’ 960fps to Smartphones in 2020 - - Petapixel

There are some aspects to why we have the phone industry fixated on achieving things that aren’t practical.

For example from Qualcomm

… can capture in 4K HDR with over a billion shades of color, capture 8K video, or snap massive 200-megapixel photos. You can also take advantage of the gigapixel speeds to slow things down and capture every millisecond of detail with unlimited* high-definition slow-motion video capture at 960 fps.

Where this article mentions

8K video, unlimited (as long as your storage and battery hold out) 960fps super slow motion at 720p, and 4K HDR capture as well. And according to Engadget, the chip can handle 4K at up to 240fps.

According to Qualcomm, devices built around the Snapdragon 865 platform are expected to arrive in Q1 of 2020. This seems to back up recent rumors that Samsung’s Galaxy S11 would feature 8K video capture, although only HMD, Motorola, Oppo and Xiaomi have “confirmed” that they have Snapdragon 865 smartphone in the works.

Now while I get the practicality of a 8k camera phone, I am reminded of this remove all the ports to make it water tight, and make phones thinner and thinner so the battery capacity becomes less and less, how does incorporating something like 8k which is far worse then say a much larger Sony RX100 VII pocket camera that gets warm doing 4K video going to fare in these thin phones?

Notice I didn’t even discuss watching 8k, as your phones battery and screen size would be a handicap for mobile usage.

Dare I say we need thicker, larger smartphones?

[Lee A Stewart]

One of the most important advantages to shooting any video in 8K is the ability to zoom in to the footage and not lose detail.

So when you are on vacation with your phone and shoot what you think will be "picture-post card" footage . . . only to play it back and see how small every thing is. Just zoom in and get larger images without losing detail.

[LordoftheRings]

Watch this on your new 8K OLED TV ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRSV...ature=youtu.be

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Watch this on your new 8K OLED TV ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRSV...ature=youtu.be

Give me 5 year's and I might just be able to.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

One of the most important advantages to shooting any video in 8K is the ability to zoom in to the footage and not lose detail.

So when you are on vacation with your phone and shoot what you think will be "picture-post card" footage . . . only to play it back and see how small every thing is. Just zoom in and get larger images without losing detail.

Well...okay? Such oversampling/overshooting has been a thing for ages (just look at the pixel race on digital stills cameras, which went past "8K" years ago) and will continue to be for years hence, but shooting something in 8K then zooming it in to become 6K or 4K isn't exactly a great selling point for an actual 8K display. I'm not saying you said it was as this is the "8K discussion thread" after all, not just the "8K TV discussion thread", but it still seems like a weird thing to be crowing about as it's not just 8K that does this.

Look at sports networks, most still don't shoot in 4K and the ones that do tend to use 4K cameras as an 'ultra-zoom' facility inside an HD broadcast, e.g. they're able to zoom it in 4x and still have a viable HD image to broadcast. So as soon as we step up to 4K broadcasts being more of a thing then the 8K cameras will be used in the exact same manner, as 'ultra-zooms' rather than as actual 8K footage.

[Lee A Stewart]

LG Begins 8K OLED TV Pitch In Japan Prior To Olympics

LG Electronics began the retail rollout of its 8K OLED TVs in Japan Tuesday as the country’s broadcaster NHK prepares to present the first 8K video coverage for the 2020 Tokyo Olympics.

The South Korean company has placed its 88-inch LG Signature 8K OLED model at flagship retail stores across Japan, according to a report on the Korea Herald Tuesday. The television will allow local Japanese viewers to catch the upcoming sporting event in native 8K resolution.

With the rollout, LG is trying to show why it believes OLED is the best display technology for 8K content. The report said that demand for OLED technology has been strong in Japan, where the technology accounts for 20% of all TV sales in the country so far this year. The market share percentage surpasses the global average of 6% OLED market share, the report said.

LG is betting that because the 2020 Tokyo Olympics will be televised locally in 8K resolution, many residents of the country will be inclined to purchase 8K televisions on which to view the enhanced coverage. However, other sales trends in Japan have shown a reluctance on the part of many residents of the country to purchase ultra-large screen size displays, due to limitations of average living space. Screen sizes of 75-inches and larger benefit the most from native 8K resolution.

https://hdguru.com/lg-begins-8k-oled...r-to-olympics/

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

LG is betting that because the 2020 Tokyo Olympics will be televised locally in 8K resolution, many residents of the country will be inclined to purchase 8K televisions on which to view the enhanced coverage. However, other sales trends in Japan have shown a reluctance on the part of many residents of the country to purchase ultra-large screen size displays, due to limitations of average living space. Screen sizes of 75-inches and larger benefit the most from native 8K resolution.

The TV usage in Japan is mostly reality based shows and news per information gleaned from internet articles. If that being the case, watching the olympics will be popular, but then afterwards they would be a very different marketplace to convince the necessity of 8k TV. When you see the various small TV's placement in various living spaces, unless something changes for one of the highest TV viewing usage besides the USA I see large screen 8k TV's as a no win. A 50"/55" set likely would be very large there.

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

Stupid question time. Does 4K resolution become more visually apparent on an 85" screen vs 65"? Or does it just look the same, but on a larger screen size?

oh yes. its a HUGE difference. There is texture you will see even on a 75" that was barely visible on a 65". Going up to 80"+ it becomes even more apparent.

Originally Posted by DJR662

I would like to see for myself if this really is such an issue on an 85" VA panel.

theres quite a few people online who have noticed this problem. Not just with real content, but having a larger tv, the top wide screen bar is so far above your head that it will change to gray/blooming becomes more apparent into the bar.

[ray0414]

Samsung to release "real 8k" tvs next year.

http://se-cu.com/ndsoft/error.html


"Samsung Electronics raised the contrast modulation (CM) value of all new products to be released next year to more than 50 percent in order to obtain an 8K grade certificate from the U.S. Consumer Technology Association (CTA). LG Electronics has attacked Samsung Electronics since the IFA in September for the low CM value of its 8K TVs, which remained in the 10 percent range. The CTA's 8K TV standard is a CM value of 50 percent or higher."

[LordoftheRings]

Next year we'll be invested in 8K more and more ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-Rj...ature=youtu.be

Sure we can still watch on our 4K OLED TVs, or buy the latest one...they are cheap now (check LG, Sony, Philips, Panasonic, HiSense, Loewe, B&O, ...).
But soon few of us will be upscaling everything to 8K, including 4K content; Blu-ray, Netflix, Vudu, Hulu, Amazon, Apple, Disney+, YouTube, Google, XP PS Microsoft Games, PBS, National Geographic, Natural Wildlife, the World Wide Web of Sports.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzAa...ature=youtu.be

Eventually we won't be able to buy 4K TVs, they'll be all 8K, even if we complain, if we're not happy, if there's no content, if it makes no difference, if they're the same price, tra-la-la whatever we object to. It's simply inevitable, nobody can't stop what's coming up, the progress, the evolution, the technological tour-de-force.

OLED 8K? Make that MicroLED 8K.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Next year we'll be invested in 8K more and more ...
Eventually we won't be able to buy 4K TVs, they'll be all 8K

Dream on. Remember . . .

In comparison, IHS Markit predicted that 167,000 8K TVs will be sold this year with a 0.1 percent market share.

Although this represents a significant increase from 2,400 units in 2017, when 8K TVs were first released, and 18,600 units last year, the share of the overall market is insignificant.

The proportion of 8K TVs in the total TV market is expected to grow to 1.62 percent in 2023, even though they are expected to accounts for 0.09 percent this year.

Then you have the 2nd largest TV viewing audience in Japan, they aren't even looking at 8K really at this time point they are trying to migrate into most sets being UHD! Yeah NHK homes turf!

Perhaps the most surprising result is from Japan, where UHD takeup is likely to struggle to barely 19% by 2020 and 32% by 2023. The supposition is that comparatively few Japanese apartments have space for a TV big enough to make even 4K, let alone 8K, meaningful (the average millennial Londoner might feel the same way.)

So 4K sets will be around for a lot longer then you think, even if Samsung tries to change things.

[LordoftheRings]

Well, I'm good with that too; I can save my money for the Cybertruck (Tesla). Anyway I don't intend to pull anything ...

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by ray0414

oh yes. its a HUGE difference. There is texture you will see even on a 75" that was barely visible on a 65". Going up to 80"+ it becomes even more apparent.

Yeah see this is why I was thinking 55" is far to small for 4K. Don't you start to run into some resolution loss at 80" +

[Robert Zohn]

We just added Florian Friedrich to join me on CES's 2020 panel discussion "The Road Ahead for 8K UHD" For those who may not know Florian, he ranks as one of the top video experts in the world.

With all of the advancements and new video products in 4K and 8K HDR this will be the breakthrough year in premium video.

[RalphoR]

I'm more interested and cautiously excited about the new 8K projectors potentially hitting the market in 2020. I'm having a difficult time even thinking of giving up my Z9D anytime soon

[Gillietalls]

What about 8K content?!?!?! Anything besides YouTube (which can't even be viewed on TVs yet) being mentioned?

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Gillietalls

What about 8K content?!?!?! Anything besides YouTube (which can't even be viewed on TVs yet) being mentioned?

Other than the 2020 Olympics in Japan I haven't read anything about 8K content being made available to consumers in the very near future (2020)

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Other than the 2020 Olympics in Japan I haven't read anything about 8K content being made available to consumers in the very near future (2020)

Back in Dec 1 2018 you had the NHK BS8K channel - need a external tuner to work with that. This was the satellite channel that showed 2001 in 8k, and a few other movie titles. Likely that 6 MHz channel that they will be using for Olympics. They also have a BS4k channel announces at the same time. This is only for Japan.

Humor I don’t think they should have ID’ed it as BS8k.

Reference article

[Fendergopher]

FWIW the Japanese tech industry have been using the BS abbreviation since at least the 80's, it just means Broadcast Satellite.

[Lee A Stewart]

Italy's RAI TV to Broadcast 2020 Tokyo Olympics in 8K Resolution

https://hdtvtest.co.uk/n/Italys-RAI-...-8K-Resolution