8K discussion thread

[Scottishguy]

Funny you mention pennies. I'm watching Ready Player One, and can see the date on the coins at 7ft. Well I'm more 7.3ft.

[Blu-rayNut51]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

Funny you mention pennies. I'm watching Ready Player One, and can see the date on the coins at 7ft. Well I'm more 7.3ft.

Scottishguy, I've never seen Ready Player One, though I get your joke, as slight a stab at humor as it may have been, since obviously, any close-up scene of a penny in that flick, would make the image of that coin, appear much larger on your screen, from 7 feet away, than the size that an actual penny would appear to be, if it was located 7 feet away from you, in your room.

[Robert Zohn]

My 2020 CES session, "The Road Ahead for 8K UHD" is heating up. We now have three speakers, Robert Zohn, Florian Friedrich, and Cheryl Goodman. We also revealed the moderator, Jim Wilcox of Consumer Reports. One more speaker will be announced shortly.

[RalphoR]

Sounds like a great session! Can't wait to hear what the roadmap of 8k will be. So much info will be coming out of CES.

Looking forward to hearing about the return of the Classe Audio Delta series products (especially their new SSP) and new 4k/8k projectors. There's a whole long and crazy list of things I'm excited to hear about. 2020 is shaping up to be an expensive upgrade year.

[styxrogan]

What a joke... the road 2 8k is a DEAD END!

[Noremac Mij]

Put me in the camp who also thinks 8K and everything about it is a joke. This is what happens when second rate no imagination marketing teams run these corporations. With so many other more important things to solve in home video, 8K or resolution in general is 97,341 on the list.

[JohnAV]

CES 2020 brings the first gear that supports ATSC 3.0

At CES 2020, a number of consumer technology companies are expected to introduce the first ATSC 3.0 TVs for the U.S. market, and also perhaps some set-top boxes, smart antennas, gateways, dongles and more. Supporting these product launches is the Consumer Technology Association’s new NEXTGEN TV logo designed to help consumers identify products and services powered by ATSC 3.0.

In addition, ATSC will publish a guide to all things ATSC 3.0 in 2020, which will highlight where to find ATSC 3.0 products at the show, while educating attendees about the capabilities of our standard. Our NEXTGEN TV Guide will be available onsite at the ATSC booth and online for easy reference for show attendees.

See ATSC Sponsors

The standard also allows for possible extensions later on, which could enable additional benefits to picture quality, possibly including 8K resolution. ATSC 3.0 also includes benefits for reception, meaning you should be able to receive more channels in higher quality without the need for a large antenna.

[Scottishguy]

I think a big problem discussing 8K around these parts, is that most members primary usage of a TV is for film's.

We forget 8K is literally a goldmine in waiting for sports. From finally achieving a visual fidelity that's exactly like real life to the human eye. The market at both consumer and commercial level has ridiculous potential.

And those who are in the know are networking like crazy are doing so because, in 5 or 7 year's once the markets grown and, matured. They will be rolling in fat stacks from all that hard work.

[Blu-rayNut51]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

I think a big problem discussing 8K around these parts, is that most members primary usage of a TV is for film's.

We forget 8K is literally a goldmine in waiting for sports. From finally achieving a visual fidelity that's exactly like real life to the human eye. The market at both consumer and commercial level has ridiculous potential.

And those who are in the know are networking like crazy are doing so because, in 5 or 7 year's once the markets grown and, matured. They will be rolling in fat stacks from all that hard work.

Sunday afternoon and evening, I watched the Bengals/Browns game, as well as some of the Ravens/Steelers game on an excellent Panasonic flat panel that utilizes the now defunct plasma technology. (and horrors, only has 1080p rez) But the excellent picture quality that the plasma gave, even with today's well below 4k resolution level telecast signal, had my football fanatic friend remarking how great a job the TV did of presenting my buddy's favorite team with such rich, natural color, and great clarity. Honestly, as far as I can tell, considering the purely excellent quality results my plasma was providing during those games, I can't imagine any dedicated football fan who might have seen a picture of the quality that we saw today, thinking for a second, that such video quality fell short enough of some supposed level "that's exactly like real life", to cause anyone interested in the game, to be pulled out of his involvement with watching its action, by thinking the PQ was limiting his enjoyment of the game.

And since all the 8k TVs I've seen so far, in big box stores, as well as in home theater specialty stores, have all been TVs that utilize that compromised tech known as LCD with LED backlighting, many video enthusiasts would say that with today's network telecasts of NFL games, my plasma provides a picture that's closer to being one "that's exactly like real life" than the 8k TVs I've seen can provide for NFL games, to be telecast anytime in the foreseeable future.

Actually, I really think that if executives of America's Big 4 TV networks could have seen the terrific looking picture that my calibrated Panny plasma provided today, for NFL games on both the Fox and CBS TV networks, those executives would have been left with serious questions in their minds about whether their networks need to go to a higher resolution standard, when they'd just seen such a lifelike image presented on a TV that's larger than what the average American is watching sports on, here at the end of 2019.

[JohnAV]

Global 8K panel shipments to reach 500,000 units in 2020 - DigiTimes 12/31

Global shipments of 8K LCD panels are expected to total 500,000 units in 2020, accounting for a penetration rate of 0.2% of LCD panel shipments worldwide, according to Sigmaintell Consulting.

The production cost for 8K panels still remains high limiting the growth of its penetration, said sources from Taiwan's panel industry.

The sources also noted that prices of 8K panels at present are more than two times those quoted for 4K models, believing that the penetration of 8K panels will gain a boost when the price gap between 8K and 4K models is narrowed to 1.3 times.

While major players including Samsung Display, AU Optronics (AUO), Sharp and BOE Technology have already rolled out 8K panels, China Star Optoelectronics Technology (CSOT) will join the rank in 2020, the sources noted.

8K panels are mostly for large-size applications and are available in 65- , 75-, 82-, 85-, 98- and over 100-inch sizes currently, with 65- and 75-inch models to account for 60-70% of total 8K panel shipments in 2020, Sigmaintell said.

Global 8K panel shipments are expected to reach five million units or a 2% penetration rate in 2022 thanks to an improvement in the supply chain and reductions in production cost, said the consulting firm.

[JohnAV]

TV T&M For The New Decade, Part 1 - TheBroadcastingBridge 12/19

TV T&M For The New Decade, Part 2 - TheBroadcastingBridge 12/30

An engineering assessment of broadcast TV T&M needs and solutions in late 2019 suggests the new decade will bring more needs and solutions. A revelation such as this was once news.

The technical foundation of TV didn’t change much during its first half-century. TV in the US was 525 horizontal lines of analog video interlaced 30 times per second. About the only significant improvement was color, which was backwards compatible.

Testing and measuring video from cameras to the transmitter output didn’t change much either. The tools most engineers needed to calibrate and troubleshoot video were a waveform monitor, a vectorscope and a screwdriver.

Today, TV signals are constantly evolving and there are no single national standard format such as NTSC, PAL or SECAM. Digital TV signal formats include all kinds of scan rates, bit depths, pixel counts, bandwidths, and can be wired or wireless. Nearly all conform to one standard or another.

The only TV standards that remain relatively stable and uniform are transmission/delivery standards for government-licensed broadcast TV and streaming video. Most streaming video platforms are equally stringent. If a signal can't or doesn't fulfill minimum requirements it fails, much as home Dish or Direct satellite TV signals fail during big storms.

The executive summary of this story is that testing/calibration and troubleshooting video signals in 2019 and beyond requires significantly more powerful T&M capabilities than the best analog waveform monitors and vectorscopes ever provided.

[Scottishguy]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc...mpression=true

First, a report from Business Korea picked up by*OLED-info.com*revealed that due to ongoing difficulties hitting sufficiently high yield rates, mass production from LG Display’s 8.5-gen OLED line at its Guangzhou plant in China has now been delayed until at least the second quarter of 2020, having originally been scheduled to hit its mass production stride by the end of 2019.

[Robert Zohn]

From what I'm told the highest volume mass production is not possible at this time, but the new factory in China is up and running with good OLED module yields.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

From what I'm told the highest volume mass production is not possible at this time, but the new factory in China is up and running with good OLED module yields.

Better i say to set the bar high than to low.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

I think a big problem discussing 8K around these parts, is that most members primary usage of a TV is for film's.

*Bingo*

Besides a little casual gaming and watching old school anime, it's all I care about.

I don't watch regular TV, no TV shows of any kind whatsoever and certainly no sports.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by DJR662

*Bingo*

Besides a little casual gaming and watching old school anime, it's all I care about.

I don't watch regular TV, no TV shows of any kind whatsoever and certainly no sports.

I like the rest of the world men kicking football

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

I think a big problem discussing 8K around these parts, is that most members primary usage of a TV is for film's.

We forget 8K is literally a goldmine in waiting for sports. From finally achieving a visual fidelity that's exactly like real life to the human eye. The market at both consumer and commercial level has ridiculous potential.

And those who are in the know are networking like crazy are doing so because, in 5 or 7 year's once the markets grown and, matured. They will be rolling in fat stacks from all that hard work.

TBH I don't give a crap about more spatial resolution when it comes to sports, what I want is more temporal resolution e.g. HFR.

[LordoftheRings]

As long that we can see where the golf ball went into the sky and on landing ...

[Brian81]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Sharp is high end now? Or is it next year?

Sharp was top dog in flat panel LCD TVs early on. You had Sony and Samsung doing the RPTV and CRT thing and Pioneer doing the plasma. Samsung did have some LCD sets, but they were low end compared to the Sharps. This is 15 years ago.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

As long that we can see where the golf ball went into the sky and on landing ...

My dad being an East Lothian Scot born and bred. He knows the importance of this.