4K Movies Releases

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by puddy77

So 4k is not a given, especially with the large majority of shots using vfx.

And, probably more importantly, the production of a 3D version giving the studio further financial incentive to finish only at 2K.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by puddy77

Yes, it is using the Imax version of the Alexa 65 as its main camera (unknown if it shot all or most). But that does not necessitate a 4k finish. Guardians 2 was shot at 8k with Red, and Thor 3 was shot at 6.5k with the regular Alexa 65. So 4k is not a given, especially with the large majority of shots using vfx. Hopefully that vfx insider that came and went so quickly is correct in that Infinity War will be Marvel's first 4k finish.

Bingo. Shooting in >2K doesn't mean that a 4K finish is a "given".

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Bingo. Shooting in >2K doesn't mean that a 4K finish is a "given".

VFX houses need to step up to the game and start rendering effects in 4K - 2K is so goddamn antiquated.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

VFX houses need to step up to the game and start rendering effects in 4K - 2K is so goddamn antiquated.

Not enough time, money, tech, take your pic. As long as 2K is still "good enough" for the average cinemagoer - and make no mistake, these things are being finished for the theatrical environment first and foremost - then it's going to be a hard habit to break, not to mention having more films than ever which demand thousands of VFX shots to be delivered inside mere months rather than years and such things don't just fall from the sky. Reality's a b*tch.

[Pieter V]

-Samson (2018) 4K DCP
-Early Man (2018) again re-re-reconfirmed 4K DCP
-Solo: A Star Wars Story (2018) 4K trailer good indication for a 4K release

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Bingo. Shooting in >2K doesn't mean that a 4K finish is a "given".

Also, don’t discount the value of the production having (or not) used a complete 16-bit pipeline (from acquisition to master) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdJ4u0UmXo#t=19m43s

beyond the 10-bit DPX type of workflows. Studios who contribute Tech specs to the imdb should more often include whether the motion picture was finished with, for example, 10-bit DPX files or a 16-bit OpenEXR ACES method, because it arguably makes as much difference in picture quality as does the finish resolution if you’re already using a high-rez (4K or greater) digital camera, as Daryn explains in the YouTube clip from a past NAB which I linked above.

[Geoff D]

I'm not sure the studios do much submitting to IMDB's tech specs at all, unless you know something I don't. Seems like any numpty can submit whatever nonsense they want, but that's the internet for you.

As for finishing in dat sweet sweet 16-bit and a wider gamut like ACES there are people on here who think all that stuff is snake oil anyway, so I'm not sure what difference it'd make. They'd probably think it was the audio bit depth being referred to half the time.

[legends of beyond]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I'm not sure the studios do much submitting to IMDB's tech specs at all, unless you know something I don't. Seems like any numpty can submit whatever nonsense they want, but that's the internet for you.

As for finishing in dat sweet sweet 16-bit and a wider gamut like ACES there are people on here who think all that stuff is snake oil anyway, so I'm not sure what difference it'd make. They'd probably think it was the audio bit depth being referred to half the time.

Not always. I tries to correct the IMDb Tech Page for Blade Runner: The Final Cut to 4K, and it got denied, so there is that.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by legends of beyond

Not always. I tries to correct the IMDb Tech Page for Blade Runner: The Final Cut to 4K, and it got denied, so there is that.

Thanks for trying, though.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by legends of beyond

Not always. I tries to correct the IMDb Tech Page for Blade Runner: The Final Cut to 4K, and it got denied, so there is that.

That's the most annoying thing about it, you keep trying to correct certain things, providing actual proof, and they keep getting changed back. It'd be nice to think it was the studios doing all that but given the nonsense that apppears on some of these listings then I sincerely hope it's not the studios.

I wish IMDB wouldn't put "Dolby Vision" under cinematographic process either, a lot of people are taking that as something being physically "shot" in Dolby Vision when you can't do anything of the sort. I saw HDR10 listed under that too for a movie I checked the other day, which again is nonsense because HDR10 is purely a home video construct.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I'm not sure the studios do much submitting to IMDB's tech specs at all, unless you know something I don't....

Oh, they contribute from time to time…..not that the studio reps (staffers) get it right all the time….hardly that, as I think there are several examples of thee old switcheroo of Tech specs for several motion pictures.

[Penton-Man]

That ^ said, in cases in which the guys and gals who have actually worked on the respective motion picture/show, themselves directly make contributions to IMDB like so – http://acescentral.com/t/how-can-i-a...-shotonwhat/47

I’ve heard of no input errors.

[ray0414]

Keep an eye out for information on the movie "Rampage" with the Rock. Imbd.com says it was filmed with the Alexa 65, curious if it got a 4k master. Trailer looks pretty entertaining and will look great on 4k Blu Ray (Warner Brothers distribution and New Line Cinema, same as IT). April 20th theater release.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

That ^ said, in cases in which the guys and gals who have actually worked on the respective motion picture/show, themselves directly make contributions to IMDB like so – http://acescentral.com/t/how-can-i-a...-shotonwhat/47

I’ve heard of no input errors.

The day that realorfake4k gets added to that list is the day that the loonies really will have taken over the asylum.

[Pieter V]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

The Florida Project (2017) 4K DCP.

More info also here:

http://postperspective.com/tag/the-florida-project/

[CYBORGX]

Since it's a widely know issue, and MANY people hate the new Yellow push that seems to have become the fashion in a LOT of 4K releases, it would be very useful for people buying 4K upgrades of their favorite movies.

To help people not to waste their money on what I consider horrible Yellow Pushed transfers in 4K, it would be nice to have a seperate Sticky List that indicates whether a 4K release is Yellow Pushed or uses a palette similar to the original. That way they don't end up watching their favorite movies full of actors looking like they've all contracted Malaria, and the Sun has turned a horrible sepia yellow, and is only a show of it's original golden magnificence....

Alternatively, and indicator could be added to one of the existing Sticky 4K Movie lists......

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by CYBORGX

the new Yellow push that seems to have become the fashion in a LOT of 4K releases

Have an example or three?

[Geoff D]

First I've heard of this "widely known issue" that "MANY people" hate. Would love to have some examples since it's such a terribly pervasive problem.

[CYMBOL]

Originally Posted by CYBORGX

Since it's a widely know issue, and MANY people hate the new Yellow push that seems to have become the fashion in a LOT of 4K releases, it would be very useful for people buying 4K upgrades of their favorite movies.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

First I've heard of this "widely known issue" that "MANY people" hate. Would love to have some examples since it's such a terribly pervasive problem.

Ok Geoff, I guess we're just going to pretend Blade Runner 2049 didn't happen now?!...

EDIT - (Sorry for not adding this earlier - I had thought my sarcasm would have been obvious with the title I referred to. Didn't mean for people to actually respond and fill up the thread). Sorry guys.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by CYMBOL

Ok Geoff, I guess we're just going to pretend Blade Runner 2049 didn't happen now?!...

dafuq are you talking about? The movie was intentionally graded for that look and the UHD replicates it perfectly, it's not something that's been foisted upon the image during the HDR grading which is what matey seems to be driving at.