Lord of the Rings Trilogy (Theatrical Versions) - April 6, 2010

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by robertc88

What time and where do you live?

I thought of having friends over but it is a three hour movie and we all need to get up pretty early in the morning.

Yeah, it will be a late night. We're meeting at 6pm at my home to eat. I'm doing a subwoofer demo (can anyone say Skadooshhhh!) of a few cool scenes from 3-4 flicks to show off my new PA-120 sub. It shakes the house (really).

I hope to start the movie around 6:30 or 6:40 and wrap it up before 10pm.

[Blaumann]

Just bought my copy (MediaMarkt, Germany, 39.90 Euros ). Can't wait to start watching

[un4gvn94538]

Originally Posted by Diesel

Me.

WBShop

$50.75 shipped (deal is dead though)

x2 but i had to pay tax hopefully ill get an email soon saying it shipped as well although it hasnt been charged on my card yet.

[billzfan]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Seems some people over at AVS has reviewed the Blu Ray and the PQ is poor.

link

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1237167

-Brian

AVS is notorious for being a negative forum. Take it with a grain of salt. I remember a few of them trashing Blade Runner on blu.

[Hoosier205]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Seems some people over at AVS has reviewed the Blu Ray and the PQ is poor.

link

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1237167

-Brian

Stick to the experts here. Every single one of the most critical blu-ray posters over there have an extensive history with the other format and love to bash blu-ray whenever possible.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by Hoosier205

Stick to the experts here.

Wouldn't make much of a difference, the official reviewer here said the exact same things.

To claim AVSforum is trying to hatch some conspiracy against BD by criticizing the LotR release because it's on BD is just asinine. I'm originally from AVS, considering it existed before this forum, and not only have I supported Blu Ray since day 1 I have always said that rivalry was absurd. The HDDVD section over there is dead, just dead. If there was some fixation with that format it would get more than 1 post a week, nobody cares about HDDVD anymore. If such a conspiracy existed titles over there with fantastic PQ would not get endlessly praised (look at the Braveheart thread,) yet they do, pictures with legitimate PQ faults over there get heavily criticized because that is the sole purpose of that forum - To discuss the technical aspects of the video and audio side of home video. There would be no "tier 0" titles in the stickied thread (which rely on user votes and input for placement) if there were a conspiracy to refuse to acknowledge genuine quality on the format. On this forum so many seem to be just as attached to the format itself as the content... I feel and have always felt the brand name or medium doesn't matter, just the quality of content.

This release has serious flaws, that's all there is to it. Got a lackluster release - bottom line. Discounting those flaws because they were originally brought to light on a forum that is not this forum is silly. People did the same thing here when it happened with Gladiator, and since that time the studio has admitted it was terrible and is remastering it.

[Siebolt]

I'll be picking it up at Futureshop for $49.99. I still have a gift card from the holidays. The fifty I would have spent on it will go towards Bad Lieutenant and Nightmare on Elm Street.

[Hoosier205]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Wouldn't make much of a difference, the official reviewer here said the exact same things.

To claim AVSforum is trying to hatch some conspiracy against BD because its BD is just asinine. I'm originally from AVS, considering it existed before this forum, and not only have I supported Blu Ray since day 1 I have always said that rivalry was absurd. The HDDVD section over there is dead, just dead. If there was some fixation with that format it would get more than 1 post a week, nobody cares about that format anymore. If such a conspiracy existed titles over there with fantastic PQ would not get endlessly praised (look at the Braveheart thread,) yet they do, pictures with legitimate PQ faults over there get heavily criticized because that is the sole purpose of that forum - To discuss the technical aspects of video and audio aspects of home video. There would be no "tier 0" titles in the stickied thread (which rely on user votes and input for placement) if there were a conspiracy to refuse to acknowledge genuine quality on the format. On this forum so many seem to be just as attached to the format itself as the content... I feel and have always felt the brand name doesn't matter, just the content.

I wasn't referring to reviewers or even this title in particular. The experts can be found in the "Insider" section of this forum. The screenshot scientists have a history of being both former HD-DVD fanboys and lacking the knowledge needed to identify what is actually wrong with some releases. Baraka is a perfect example. They don't even use identical frame types when comparing shots.

If you want the facts,speak to the Insiders who post here.

If you want assumptions from the unexperienced, blatantly false assumptions at times, enjoy that other forum.

[micks_address]

i'm watching the Fellowship now.. 40" ISF Calibrated Sony Bravia LCD with Oppo BD 83... its excellent.. the sound is amazing and i cant fault the picture at all - maybe i need a bigger tv! just as an aside... would there be any chance the Uk transfers are any different to the US ones? if i hadnt seen all the fuss i'd be giving the fellowship very high scores.. it night/day ahead of the dvd..

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by Hoosier205

I wasn't referring to reviewers or even this title in particular. The experts can be found in the "Insider" section of this forum. The screenshot scientists have a history of being both former HD-DVD fanboys and lacking the knowledge needed to identify what is actually wrong with some releases. Baraka is a perfect example. They don't even use identical frame types when comparing shots.

If you want the facts,speak to the Insiders who post here.

If you want assumptions from the unexperienced, blatantly false assumptions at times, enjoy that other forum.

The people who posted those screens, Xylon and Eric.exe, have always used the same frame types when comparing and will give you the frame info when asked, they never compare I to B.

Baraka is a Tier 0 title on that forum. Baraka looks stunning.


This kind of thing is just a poorly disguised diversion of the topic at hand, this release. I am referring to this title in particular.

Fellowship has serious video quality flaws, it just isn't a good looking release. Those flaws exist regardless of what forum they happened to be first discussed on.

Originally Posted by micks_address

i'm watching the Fellowship now.. 40" ISF Calibrated Sony Bravia LCD with Oppo BD 83... its excellent.. the sound is amazing and i cant fault the picture at all - maybe i need a bigger tv! just as an aside... would there be any chance the Uk transfers are any different to the US ones? if i hadnt seen all the fuss i'd be giving the fellowship very high scores.. it night/day ahead of the dvd..

Yeah, at 40 inches you'd have to sit damn close to pick up on the major visual flaws, not much more than 4 feet.

From what I've read the UK release should be identical (apart from stuff like packaging.)

[adamhopelies]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Wouldn't make much of a difference, the official reviewer here said the exact same things.

This release has serious flaws, that's all there is to it. Got a lackluster release - bottom line. Discounting those flaws because they were originally brought to light on a forum that is not this forum is silly. People did the same thing here when it happened with Gladiator, and since that time the studio has admitted it was terrible and is remastering it.

They're not "serious" flaws tho, they're practically incidental to the average bear, and don't take away from the overall experience of the film.

One question tho, and I honestly mean this with sincerity, but are the posters over at the AVSforums actual scientists? I'm not being pedantic or anything, but I just wondered being that the place refers to itself as a "science forum", and some of the users hold titles like "screenshot engineer" and the like.

[adamhopelies]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Fellowship has serious video quality flaws, it just isn't a good looking release. Those flaws exist regardless of what forum they happened to be first discussed on.

Yeah, at 40 inches you'd have to sit damn close to pick up on the major visual flaws, not much more than 4 feet.

From what I've read the UK release should be identical (apart from stuff like packaging.)

How can they be considered "major" flaws if one has to sit at an inhuman level of closeness to the screen? I don't get it, its like moaning about CD's because they don't contain certain frequencies you can't hear.

Anyway, I'm not going to help you to further derail this thread. Everythings fine in here at the moment, everyone (who's actually seen the release) is happy with it, and thee naysayers have fallen!

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by adamhopelies

They're not "serious" flaws tho, they're practically incidental to the average bear, and don't take away from the overall experience of the film.

One question tho, and I honestly mean this with sincerity, but are the posters over at the AVSforums actual scientists? I'm not being pedantic or anything, but I just wondered being that the place refers to itself as a "science forum", and some of the users hold titles like "screenshot engineer" and the like.

Hahaha, not that I know of.

Think the forum is just called that because it's the science behind what makes audio and visual stuff what it is, not because it's a palce for scientists.

I think the user titles are just tongue and cheek. I had mine as I Shat My Pants for the longest time but those tightasses made me change it. To be fair though I did have shit in my pants.

[42041]

Originally Posted by adamhopelies

One question tho, and I honestly mean this with sincerity, but are the posters over at the AVSforums actual scientists? I'm not being pedantic or anything, but I just wondered being that the place refers to itself as a "science forum", and some of the users hold titles like "screenshot engineer" and the like.

I think those "titles" are facetious references to the insults from the insiders here.

Although cinematography and still photography are much different disciplines, the basics of capturing light on film/digital sensor with a lens are quite identical. Hollywood insiders have never had a monopoly on such knowledge.

[Hoosier205]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

The people who posted those screens, Xylon and Eric.exe, have always used the same frame types when comparing and will give you the frame info when asked, they never compare I to B.

Baraka is a Tier 0 title on that forum. Baraka looks stunning.


This kind of thing is just a poorly disguised diversion of the topic at hand, this release. I am referring to this title in particular.

Fellowship has serious video quality flaws, it just isn't a good looking release. Those flaws exist regardless of what forum they happened to be first discussed on.



Yeah, at 40 inches you'd have to sit damn close to pick up on the major visual flaws, not much more than 4 feet.

From what I've read the UK release should be identical (apart from stuff like packaging.)

Yet they both claim DNR regarding Baraka. Neither of the people you mentioned can be trusted. The folks at AVS are aware that there are problems with this release. They just don't understand what those problems are. They just assume DNR and EE, as is usual.

[LOTR07]

Originally Posted by adamhopelies

How can they be considered "major" flaws if one has to sit at an inhuman level of closeness to the screen? I don't get it, its like moaning about CD's because they don't contain certain frequencies you can't hear.

Anyway, I'm not going to help you to further derail this thread. Everythings fine in here at the moment, everyone (who's actually seen the release) is happy with it, and thee naysayers have fallen!

As I thought they would.....to much ado about ittle things....sound is freakin badass....

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by adamhopelies

How can they be considered "major" flaws if one has to sit at an inhuman level of closeness to the screen? I don't get it, its like moaning about CD's because they don't contain certain frequencies you can't hear.

Anyway, I'm not going to help you to further derail this thread. Everythings fine in here at the moment, everyone (who's actually seen the release) is happy with it, and thee naysayers have fallen!

How close you should sit (to really appreciate the good or really notice the bad) depends entirely on your display size.

40" is about as small as you can get in today's HD environment, so for sizes in that range you will have to sit very close not only to notice flaws but to appreciate the resolution and quality of great presentations.

For anyone will larger TV's, or especially people with PJ setups, at what you would consider normal seating distance these types of things are just blatant.

And not everyone is happy with it. There have been several poor reviews and poor impressions. The people that are happy with it tend to be people with very small TV's, which is fine. That's the upside to a smaller display when you sit several feet from them, bad discs become less "bad" (but on the flip side good ones don't appear nearly as good as they could be.)

Originally Posted by Hoosier205

Yet they both claim DNR regarding Baraka. Neither of the people you mentioned can be trusted. The folks at AVS are aware that there are problems with this release. They just don't understand what those problems are. They just assume DNR and EE, as is usual.

DNR is a problem with this release, sorry. Looking at Fellowship screens makes that very, very clear.

If you don't want to trust AVS for whatever reason, read this site's official review, or highdefdigest, or DVDBeaver (whenever they get around to posting it.)

[radagast]

Originally Posted by robertc88

Hopefully whomever is working at that time is an employee in the know who can actually find it and sell it to you. I have been to a local Walmart when the store opens in the morning and have had problems with buying Tuesday releases.

I work there part time, and I know the person who does overnight. She puts out all the new stuff for Tuesday morning. I did the same thing a few days ago for the Sherlock Holmes BR.

[42041]

Originally Posted by adamhopelies

How can they be considered "major" flaws if one has to sit at an inhuman level of closeness to the screen?

If I'm sitting at a distance relative to my screen that would correspond to sitting in the middle of a movie theater, I hardly think that's "inhumanly" close.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Hoosier205

Yet they both claim DNR regarding Baraka. Neither of the people you mentioned can be trusted. The folks at AVS are aware that there are problems with this release. They just don't understand what those problems are. They just assume DNR and EE, as is usual.

And so day 178 of Groundhog Day begins.