Lord of the Rings Trilogy (Theatrical Versions) - April 6, 2010

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

Again to be honest, without Smeagol/Gollum and Samwise Gamgee, Frodo would've failed in his mission to destroy the Ring and Middle Earth would've been cast into darkness and shadow.

Tolkien, from his letters:

'The final scene of the Quest was so shaped simply because having regard to the situation, and to the characters of Frodo, Sam, and Gollum, those events seemed to me mechanically, morally, and psychologically credible... We reach the brink of the Fire, and the whole plan fails. The Ring conquers. Frodo cannot bear to destroy it. He renounces the Quest, and claims the Ring and puts it on his finger... Frodo was placed in an untenable position, in which the good of the world depended on his behavior in circumstances which demanded a strength he did not possess... a person of greater native power could probably never have resisted the Ring's lure to power for so long: a person of less power could not hope to resist it in the final decision. The world and Frodo himself were saved by the pity and forgiveness he had shown to Gollum.'

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

Well as Samwise and Bombadil proved, as long as you have no desire to actually USE the ring, it has no pull over you. Heck, Faramir proved that also, even if they didn't show that properly in the movies.

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

I don't think Sam was ever tempted by the Ring. He had no desire to take it or use it, he just wanted to do right by his friend, which included helping his friend destroy the Ring before there would be nothing left of Frodo.

Sam was tempted but his Hobbit sense took over. In the chapter "The Tower of Cirith Ungol" in RoTK, the ring tempted Sam to claim it, by giving him "wild fantasies" of "Samwise the Strong, Hero of the Age".

The "Rankin-Bass" animated RoTK featured this part of the story.

[radagast]

Now that it is official that Star Wars on Blu is happening in the next few years, imagine the fun THAT thread is going to have arguing about PQ.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by radagast

Now that it is official that Star Wars on Blu is happening in the next few years, imagine the fun THAT thread is going to have arguing about PQ.

yeah its going to be a hoot

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

Tolkien, from his letters:

'The final scene of the Quest was so shaped simply because having regard to the situation, and to the characters of Frodo, Sam, and Gollum, those events seemed to me mechanically, morally, and psychologically credible... We reach the brink of the Fire, and the whole plan fails. The Ring conquers. Frodo cannot bear to destroy it. He renounces the Quest, and claims the Ring and puts it on his finger... Frodo was placed in an untenable position, in which the good of the world depended on his behavior in circumstances which demanded a strength he did not possess... a person of greater native power could probably never have resisted the Ring's lure to power for so long: a person of less power could not hope to resist it in the final decision. The world and Frodo himself were saved by the pity and forgiveness he had shown to Gollum.'

The way I see it, the Ring completed the quest by destroying itself through its control over Gollum. Or was Gollum actually in control and helped to destroy the Ring when Frodo faltered? Sam was powerless to affect the outcome at the end of the Quest.

Was it 'good' Gollum or 'bad' Gollum that got the hot bath? What would have happened had Gollum taken the Ring from Frodo and Sam before entering the mountain?

[BluLobsta]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

It's quiet in this thread and even more so since Apollo 13 was released this week. It's getting killed on this site, people are so unhappy. I've come to think that people expect perfection from Blu-ray and to be honest there's no such thing. Maybe people just like to complain...I don't know.

Nope, it's because people expect perfection with titles like Band of Brothers, Star Trek, Serenity, Pirates of the Caribbean, Up, Wall*E, etc. in their collection The list goes on and on and people are merely getting spoiled with releases that had exceptional transfers...

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by radagast

Now that it is official that Star Wars on Blu is happening in the next few years, imagine the fun THAT thread is going to have arguing about PQ.

Good lord The screen shot people will have a field day with it.

That will be one thread I will stay away from. Just think what happen in this thread, it will be 10 times worse.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

The way I see it, the Ring completed the quest by destroying itself through its control over Gollum. Or was Gollum actually in control and helped to destroy the Ring when Frodo faltered? Sam was powerless to affect the outcome at the end of the Quest.

Was it 'good' Gollum or 'bad' Gollum that got the hot bath? What would have happened had Gollum taken the Ring from Frodo and Sam before entering the mountain?

Gollum taking the Ring from Frodo before entering the mountain would have been bad, as he would not have been able to withstand the Ringwraiths. He would have been taken to nearby Barad-dur and Sauron would have got the Ring. In a way, Gollum was not good or bad in the end, but he redeemed himself in a way, as the Quest could not have been achieved without him.

[BluLobsta]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

Gollum taking the Ring from Frodo before entering the mountain would have been bad, as he would not have been able to withstand the Ringwraiths. He would have been taken to nearby Barad-dur and Sauron would have got the Ring. In a way, Gollum was not good or bad in the end, but he redeemed himself in a way, as the Quest could not have been achieved without him.

Yup, I think that's what Gandalf may have been inferring in the Mines of Moria when Frodo wanted to kill Gollum right then and there and Gandalf had a little "sit-down" with him and told him that Gollum still had a role to play yet...

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by BluLobsta

Yup, I think that's what Gandalf may have been inferring in the Mines of Moria when Frodo wanted to kill Gollum right then and there and Gandalf had a little "sit-down" with him and told him that Gollum still had a role to play yet...

So, one might say that 'good' Gollum is the 'hero' of the quest to destroy the Ring. Or was he still corrupted and following his own self interest at the end?

How was Gollum able to avoid Sauron for over 500 years?

[radagast]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

The way I see it, the Ring completed the quest by destroying itself through its control over Gollum. Or was Gollum actually in control and helped to destroy the Ring when Frodo faltered? Sam was powerless to affect the outcome at the end of the Quest.

Was it 'good' Gollum or 'bad' Gollum that got the hot bath? What would have happened had Gollum taken the Ring from Frodo and Sam before entering the mountain?

Originally Posted by raygendreau

So, one might say that 'good' Gollum is the 'hero' of the quest to destroy the Ring. Or was he still corrupted and following his own self interest at the end?

How was Gollum able to avoid Sauron for over 500 years?

Here ye be warned there are spoilers ahead!

[Show spoiler]Gollum was in hiding in the Misty Mountains during that time and Sauron was still weak.

Woven throughout LoTR and the Hobbit is a sense of providence. There was a Good Will influencing events and a bad one. Gollum was wholly ensnared by the Ring when he took it back from Frodo. But in his glee he slips off into the abyss. Frodo was unable to complete the quest, so Gollum had to be "used" to finish it.

[42041]

Originally Posted by radagast

Now that it is official that Star Wars on Blu is happening in the next few years, imagine the fun THAT thread is going to have arguing about PQ.

Doubt it, sounds like they're actually doing work on it

[radagast]

Originally Posted by 42041

Doubt it, sounds like they're actually doing work on it

We'll see what happens on AVS when they come out.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by radagast

Here ye be warned there are spoilers ahead!

[Show spoiler]Gollum was in hiding in the Misty Mountains during that time and Sauron was still weak.

Woven throughout LoTR and the Hobbit is a sense of providence. There was a Good Will influencing events and a bad one. Gollum was wholly ensnared by the Ring when he took it back from Frodo. But in his glee he slips off into the abyss. Frodo was unable to complete the quest, so Gollum had to be "used" to finish it.

Providence was 'using' Frodo until he caved. (no pun intended... well maybe)
What did Tolkien achieve by having Gollum inadvertently complete the Quest?

[Underworld54]

Well I finally finished the trilogy on Blu-ray (just watched ROTK) and I love these films so much. ROTK was beautiful in every sense of the word. What an epic series of movies. I'll repeat what I said in my review for FOTR, we are very very lucky to have these films. It sure is good to be LOTR fans with you guys.

[Maaz]

Just ordered this yesterday from amazon. Signed up for the free trial of amazon prime again just for this. Haha, cant wait to see these epic movies again.

[Witch King of Angmar]

Movie frodo was so stupid that he tried to wear the ring in front of nazgul in osgiliath.

[supersix4]

Ok just started the first one so this will be the second time I've started the movie (hopefully I'll finish it this time lol)

But how does the ring leave the little ghoul? if he's holding onto it how does it "abandon him"

Does this get explained in the later movies?

Oh and I think the PQ looks dang good so far. (gandalf the wizard just went in that midgets house and his face looked wicked waxy next to the chandelier)

Audios really nice as-well (I can only expect better when fights happen)

[42041]

Originally Posted by supersix4

But how does the ring leave the little ghoul? if he's holding onto it how does it "abandon him"

Gollum? If I remember right, it's explained in the first minutes of the movie

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by 42041

Gollum? If I remember right, it's explained in the first minutes of the movie

It just said something like he picked it up, it "bided its time, and then abandoned him" (gollum) but how if that little guy is holding onto it how would the ring abandon the guy who is holding it lol.