Lord of the Rings Trilogy (Theatrical Versions) - April 6, 2010

[KrugStillo]

Originally Posted by 42041

You can't DNR in-camera
Previous HD versions of this film didn't have DNR in those scenes, it was just done for the blu-ray.

I'm not saying in-camera. We never ever see in-camera footage on a finished film anyway. I'm talking about the finished negative after all the post production. For that matter these films may come off of hard drives and not actually have a dedicated old fashioned negative (except maybe an IP for print duplication). So what we see may be a port from a computer. I'm not saying that Warner didn't add more but I can tell you 100% that the print of Kick-Ass I saw was DNR'd crap. So if that was printed from a finished negative and I made a High-Def transfer from that negative you would have DNR'd crap on BD as well. Now it's common knowledge that DNR is used in post-production to help match CGI effects with traditional 35mm. All I'm saying is it all may not be as cut and dry as Warner/New Line just doing a crappy job, there could be more to it. Now if I was watching and older film transfer and noticed a ton of DNR I'd say it was the transfer but in the modern era of CGI we are bound to see more of this type of stuff due to the actual post-production of a film. I do find it interesting that the image gets better throughout the trilogy. Plus about the HD cable versions (which is still debatable because some have said they notice hardly a difference between the 2) they were only 1080i with limited signal capacity. It is quite possible if they appear sharper that you are looking at digital noise that makes it appear sharper and not film noise. I don't believe you can accurately compare an HD cable presentation with a 1080p BD disc, there will always be other variables. Just keep an open mind and things aren't always as they seem.

[raygendreau]

So, where are they now?

Rumor has it that Frodo returned to Middle-earth, changed his name to stumpy, and joined 7 dwarves in a mining operation in Moria.

Elrond, Legolas and Gandalf the White formed a partnership and work in the toy industry somewhere up north. Gadalf does the deliveries. He changed his name again. Now known as Gandalf the Short Fat and Red.

Denethor somehow survived his flaming fall from Minas Trith. He was spotted recently clearcutting and burning in the Forest of Fanghorn. The Ents put out an APB on him.

[Witch King of Angmar]

I read 3 chapters of Book II today.

Lothlurien
The Mirror of Galadriel
Farewell to Lurien


Will read The Great River tomorrow.

Fellowship of the Ring is almost finished.

[lDlisturb3d]

i think im going to pop in 3 today

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Originally Posted by deeman54

i think im going to pop in 3 today

gona pop in 2

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by iceman_mw21

gona pop in 2

Dont forget to

[Batman1980]

I'll watch the trilogy again soon, probably the first week in May, trying to get further ahead in my super marathon a bit first.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Providence was 'using' Frodo until he caved. (no pun intended... well maybe)
What did Tolkien achieve by having Gollum inadvertently complete the Quest?

My best guess is that Eru, knowing that Frodo had done his best, used Gollum to complete his will.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by radagast

My best guess is that Eru, knowing that Frodo had done his best, used Gollum to complete his will.

Interesting, is there any indication that someone that high up the food chain cared enough to manipulate Gollum like that?

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

I doubt that's my hat, I'm pretty sure my hat was destroyed when that Balrog of Morgoth battled me to the death. Not sure why I never got a white one, though.

In the book, Gandalf was wearing a "wide brimmed hat" as he was approaching Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli in Fangorn forest. I don't remember the hat being mentioned after that.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

Interesting, is there any indication that someone that high up the food chain cared enough to manipulate Gollum like that?

Only that earlier Gandalf said that Frodo was meant to have the ring.

[Batman1980]

Bilbo was meant to have the Ring, which means you also were meant to have it and that is an encouraging thought...

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

Tolkien, from his letters:

'The final scene of the Quest was so shaped simply because having regard to the situation, and to the characters of Frodo, Sam, and Gollum, those events seemed to me mechanically, morally, and psychologically credible... We reach the brink of the Fire, and the whole plan fails. The Ring conquers. Frodo cannot bear to destroy it. He renounces the Quest, and claims the Ring and puts it on his finger... Frodo was placed in an untenable position, in which the good of the world depended on his behavior in circumstances which demanded a strength he did not possess... a person of greater native power could probably never have resisted the Ring's lure to power for so long: a person of less power could not hope to resist it in the final decision. The world and Frodo himself were saved by the pity and forgiveness he had shown to Gollum.'

That is why, of all the cuts and omissions from Jackson's adaptation, the part I miss the most is the part where Sam spares Gollum for the last time, on the slopes of Mt. Doom. The two complete opposite characters confront each other alone, and Gollum reveals the depth of his character: under and over everything else, he is terrified of dying. All the evil he had done for 500 years, all because he could not accept his mortality. He begs for just a little more life, knowing soon he will die no matter what. Then Sam in turn displays his character with mercy, he cannot strike down an enemy who is begging for his life, and he sends him on his way with a curse and a dire warning. He is not like Gollum. It is a confrontation of the two extremes of basic human nature, it is metaphysical in its scope of symbolism.

This scene was shot, but was cut because it was deemed incompatible with the overall editing objective of intercutting between Mt. Doom and the Black Gate. This is a scene I very much want to see included in a deleted-scenes package in a future video release of LotR.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

That is why, of all the cuts and omissions from Jackson's adaptation, the part I miss the most is the part where Sam spares Gollum for the last time, on the slopes of Mt. Doom. The two complete opposite characters confront each other alone, and Gollum reveals the depth of his character: under and over everything else, he is terrified of dying. All the evil he had done for 500 years, all because he could not accept his mortality. He begs for just a little more life, knowing soon he will die no matter what. Then Sam in turn displays his character with mercy, he cannot strike down an enemy who is begging for his life, and he sends him on his way with a curse and a dire warning. He is not like Gollum. It is a confrontation of the two extremes of basic human nature, it is metaphysical in its scope of symbolism.

This scene was shot, but was cut because it was deemed incompatible with the overall editing objective of intercutting between Mt. Doom and the Black Gate. This is a scene I very much want to see included in a deleted-scenes package in a future video release of LotR.

+1. I would definitely pick up the BD extended edition if they do this. Even better if they add it to the movie rather than just put it in as a deleted scene.

[gregmasciola]

It's a pity that Bilbo, Sam, Frodo, Faramir, the Orcs and Aragorn didn't kill Gollum when they had the chance! If I had been Sam, I would have just killed him while he was asleep.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

+1. I would definitely pick up the BD extended edition if they do this. Even better if they add it to the movie rather than just put it in as a deleted scene.

I would prefer that, as well; but I'm pretty sure the extended cuts are already "set in stone" (aside from some updates to some of the special effects shots), and any new scenes would just be presented separately.

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by gregmasciola

It's a pity that Bilbo, Sam, Frodo, Faramir, the Orcs and Aragorn didn't kill Gollum when they had the chance! If I had been Sam, I would have just killed him while he was asleep.

But then the ring would have never been destroyed in the fires of Mordor. Gollum was essential to destroying the ring.

[Witch King of Angmar]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

Bilbo was meant to have the Ring, which means you also were meant to have it and that is an encouraging thought...

Do you not know death when you see it, old man?

Originally Posted by Underworld54

But then the ring would have never been destroyed in the fires of Mordor. Gollum was essential to destroying the ring.

This
Gollum is also the hero(somewhat) of LOTR.

[gregmasciola]

Once they'd gotten to the stairway to Shelob's layer, Gollum wasn't really any use to them anymore. Sam should have done away with him while they were making their way up the stairs.

[RIKANA]

MY steelbook from Canadia is on it's way

excited,

RI