Lord of the Rings Trilogy (Theatrical Versions) - April 6, 2010

[JamesKurtovich]

This set has had no promotion AT ALL. I didn't even see it at stores. No posters, no nothing.

[phansson]

PeterTHX,

I don't understand your points.

My point is, I am pretty sure that X-men the last stand is 6.1 DTS HD MA. My Integra 9.8 processor shows this when it is being played via the oppo bitstream. So why will LOTR not?

Plus, if you put it in my PS3. It still only lists the audio as DTS HD MA 5.1.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by aiman04

Yes, X-Men The Last Stand has DTS-HD MA 6.1 Discrete. What's confusing here, the studios never properly label the audio correctly. For discrete trackss are fine, they can simply put 6.1 without mentioning discrete. But, for ES tracks they MUST label it with "ES" to show it's not discrete.



Correct. This usually happen with new technology, there will be issues before it fully matures.

The audio specification listed on the back of The Last Stand BD reads:

ENGLISH 6.1 DTS ES HD MASTER AUDIO. As I understand it, this codec was used for a few titles, then 'ES' was dropped from the description.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

This set has had no promotion AT ALL. I didn't even see it at stores. No posters, no nothing.

Have patience, its on the dog sled. Its been held up by the ash fallout from Iceland.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by phansson

PeterTHX,

I don't understand your points.

My point is, I am pretty sure that X-men the last stand is 6.1 DTS HD MA. My Integra 9.8 processor shows this when it is being played via the oppo bitstream. So why will LOTR not?

Plus, if you put it in my PS3. It still only lists the audio as DTS HD MA 5.1.

This has got to be frustrating for you.

What do you get when you decode in the Oppo? You have a DTS-HD MA decoder in there as well, right?

On my PS3 the display shows DTS-HD MA 6.1 and the variable bitrate peaks at 7 Mbps at the lake (Chapter 6) when flames shoot out of his eyes.

Have to be careful about the volume, as the neighbors show up with pitchforks and fire if I crank it up too much.

[phansson]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

This has got to be frustrating for you.

What do you get when you decode in the Oppo? You have a DTS-HD MA decoder in there as well, right?

On my PS3 the display shows DTS-HD MA 6.1 and the variable bitrate peaks at 7 Mbps at the lake (Chapter 6) when flames shoot out of his eyes.

Have to be careful about the volume, as the neighbors show up with pitchforks and fire if I crank it up too much.

See, I just popped this into my PS3 and it only shows DTS-HD MA 5.1? Why would that happen?

[phansson]

Ok, I just did some experimentation. All connections via HDMI.

Oppo Bitstream
X men the last stand DTS HD MA 6.1 shown on processor
FOTR DTS HD MA 5.1 shown on processor

Oppo LPCM
X men the last stand 6.1 Shown on processor
FOTR 5.1 shown on processor

PS3 bitstream
X men the last stand 6.1 shown on processor
FOTR 5.1 shown on processor

PS3 LPCM
X men the last stand 7.1 shown on processor
FOTR 5.1 show on processor

Am I missing something or what?????

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by phansson

Ok, I just did some experimentation. All connections via HDMI.

Oppo Bitstream
X men the last stand DTS HD MA 6.1 shown on processor
FOTR DTS HD MA 5.1 shown on processor

Oppo LPCM
X men the last stand 6.1 Shown on processor
FOTR 5.1 shown on processor

PS3 bitstream
X men the last stand 6.1 shown on processor
FOTR 5.1 shown on processor

PS3 LPCM
X men the last stand 7.1 shown on processor
FOTR 5.1 show on processor

Am I missing something or what?????

This simply means X-Men: The Last Stand is DTS-HD MA 6.1 discrete, I don't have this title, so maybe FOX mislabeled the disc if what raygendreau said about the back cover is true.

This means:

Oppo: DTS-HD MA Essential decoder
PS3: Full DTS-HD MA decoder
Receiver/processor: DTS-HD MA Essential decoder

PS3 always show 7.1 on the receiver when sending LPCM for 6.1 or 7.1.

[Witch King of Angmar]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

Elrond's ring Vilya is the most powerful of the three Elven rings.

So that means

Elrond > Galadriel ?

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Witch King of Angmar

So that means

Elrond > Galadriel ?

It would be weird if Galadriel's child were more powerful than she is.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by phansson

Ok, I just did some experimentation. All connections via HDMI.

Oppo Bitstream
X men the last stand DTS HD MA 6.1 shown on processor
FOTR DTS HD MA 5.1 shown on processor

Oppo LPCM
X men the last stand 6.1 Shown on processor
FOTR 5.1 shown on processor

PS3 bitstream
X men the last stand 6.1 shown on processor
FOTR 5.1 shown on processor

PS3 LPCM
X men the last stand 7.1 shown on processor
FOTR 5.1 show on processor

Am I missing something or what?????

If you have them, try these titles on your PS3 and tell me what you get?

Up
A Bug's Life
Monsters Inc.
Toy Story
Toy Story 2
Wall*E
Bolt
Terminator 2: Judgement Day - Skynet Edition
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone - Ultimate Edition
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets - Ultimate Edition

All should show "DTS-HD MA 6.1" on your PS3.

There may be others but that's what I have and personally tested.

PS: The Harry Potter Ultimates are another one that are 5.1 ES but labeled "6.1" on the packaging. Like LOTR they were Dolby EX theatrically.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by phansson

Ok, I just did some experimentation. All connections via HDMI.

Oppo Bitstream
X men the last stand DTS HD MA 6.1 shown on processor
FOTR DTS HD MA 5.1 shown on processor

Oppo LPCM
X men the last stand 6.1 Shown on processor
FOTR 5.1 shown on processor

PS3 bitstream
X men the last stand 6.1 shown on processor
FOTR 5.1 shown on processor

PS3 LPCM
X men the last stand 7.1 shown on processor
FOTR 5.1 show on processor

Am I missing something or what?????

O.K. You have a BD of FOTR in. Try the other two discs TTT and ROTK to see if it is a disc issue.

Also, do you have the PS3 set to automatic in Sound Settings?

Also when you say 'processor' are you talking about the AVR display or the PS3 display whe you hit 'select' on the controller? With the PS3 set to LPCM you should see DTS-HD MA 6.1 with a variable bit rate of 3-6 Mbps and your downstream equipment (AVR) should show all surround speakers active.

Just out of curiosity which PS3 do you have, fat or slim?

[Witch King of Angmar]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

It would be weird if Galadriel's child were more powerful than she is.

From wikipedia:



Tolkien refers to her as "the mightiest and fairest of all the Elves that remained in Middle-Earth" (after the death of Gil-Galad) and the "greatest of elven women".

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

If you have them, try these titles on your PS3 and tell me what you get?

Up
A Bug's Life
Monsters Inc.
Toy Story
Toy Story 2
Wall*E
Bolt
Terminator 2: Judgement Day - Skynet Edition
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone - Ultimate Edition
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets - Ultimate Edition

All should show "DTS-HD MA 6.1" on your PS3.

There may be others but that's what I have and personally tested.

PS: The Harry Potter Ultimates are another one that are 5.1 ES but labeled "6.1" on the packaging. Like LOTR they were Dolby EX theatrically.

Toy Story 1 and 2 show that they are 5.1 on the back of their cases.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by aiman04

This simply means X-Men: The Last Stand is DTS-HD MA 6.1 discrete, I don't have this title, so maybe FOX mislabeled the disc if what raygendreau said about the back cover is true.

This means:

Oppo: DTS-HD MA Essential decoder
PS3: Full DTS-HD MA decoder
Receiver/processor: DTS-HD MA Essential decoder

PS3 always show 7.1 on the receiver when sending LPCM for 6.1 or 7.1.

I have The Last Stand in my PS3 right now. The info on the box is as previously stated, but in the disc menu it reads:

"English 6.1 DTS HD Master Audio (lossless)" "ES" is not in the disc menu description.

My Sony STR-DG 720 avr doesn't have a DTS-HD MA decoder in it, so when I bitstream from my 'fat' PS3 I am stepped down to the legacy DTS-ES Discrete
codec that it can decode. "DTS-ES Discrete " is graphically displayed in a crawl on my receiver display. All 7 speakers are active.

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Keep in mind he's speaking about the special features, not the transfers.

Sorry, didn't mean to suggest he was referring to the AV presentations - that's why I posted the full question he was asked and the full answer he gave. I thought it was relevant since several posters had been arguing about the merits of the TEs and EEs, the quality of the special features, and the lack of exclusives. I wasn't suggesting he was commenting on the transfers

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

I have The Last Stand in my PS3 right now. The info on the box is as previously stated, but in the disc menu it reads:

"English 6.1 DTS HD Master Audio (lossless)" "ES" is not in the disc menu description.

My Sony STR-DG 720 avr doesn't have a DTS-HD MA decoder in it, so when I bitstream from my 'fat' PS3 I am stepped down to the legacy DTS-ES Discrete
codec that it can decode. "DTS-ES Discrete " is graphically displayed in a crawl on my receiver display. All 7 speakers are active.

PS3 Fat can't bitstream the lossless codecs, so what you're getting lossy DTS-ES Discrete is correct. In a 7.1 speaker setup, the receiver will automatically matrix 6.1 sources to 7.1.

Nothing is wrong with phansson's setup as well. Everything is how it's supposed to.

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by aiman04

PS3 Fat can't bitstream the lossless codecs, so what you're getting lossy DTS-ES Discrete is correct. In a 7.1 speaker setup, the receiver will automatically matrix 6.1 sources to 7.1.

Nothing is wrong with phansson's setup as well. Everything is how it's supposed to.

Well what about mine? I bitstream using a Sony BDP S350 to a Yamaha RX-V765 receiver that's barely 6 months old. Why am I getting 5.1?

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Witch King of Angmar

So that means

Elrond > Galadriel ?

Galadriel almost certainly has greater power than Elrond, as she lived in the presence of the two trees of Valinor in the First Age. In the LotR chapter "The Grey Havens", Elrond's ring is identified as being "the mightiest" of the three Elven rings. This could simply mean that it has additional powers, such as healing. All of the Elven rings can apparently slow the passage of time and prevent decay. We are not certain of their full capabilities, but they seem to have other powers; the flood that was unleashed to carry away the Ringwraiths may have been caused by the power of Elrond's ring, etc.

[PUsokrJosh305]

Ok, this is what I think about the DTS-HDMA situations. From what experiences I get from my reciever, DTS-HDMA audio will output to 7.1 no matter if it's 5.1, 6.1, or 7.1. Now it isn't "true" 7.1. In a 5.1 mix, it duplicates the audio from the left and right surround speakers to my surround back speackers, to create a theater like setting, because that's what theaters do, have dulpicate sound in some speakers. For a 6.1 mix, the surround back speakers output the same audio, and of course 7.1 has it's own discrete channels. DTS-HDMA is the only audio that I have seen that does this. Dolby-TruHD only outputs to what it says, unless if you matrix it on ur own. I think my reciever automaktically matrixes it on it's own. I have it on the "straight" setting which means it is outputing the sound from what the source truly is. This whole thing comes down to what reciever you have and what settings you have it on. Each reciever is different and has it's own capibilites. I think DTS-HDMA has proven itself superior over Dolby-TruHD because it can do a lot more than TruHD.