Lord of the Rings Trilogy (Theatrical Versions) - April 6, 2010

[frezaina]

With or Without you....good things don't last forever Aragorn.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Diesel

Are they from the guy with the actual disc?


BTW, all I see is "bandwidth exceeded".

EDIT:


Yes, he just posted that they are from the disc.

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[aiman04]

Originally Posted by neo78956

Until LOTR came around, I had always thought Jurassic Park had a stranglehold on greatest visual effects of all time. I can't believe I forgot that one.

The movies that changed movies in terms of tech would be

2001 A Space Odyssey
Star Wars trilogy
Jurassic Park
LOTR
Avatar

If I can remember correctly, The Young Sherlock Holmes was the first to ever used computer for visual effects, Willow used computer to create the morphing shot, and The Abyss was the first film ever to use CGI.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by neo78956

The movies that changed movies in terms of tech would be

2001 A Space Odyssey
Star Wars trilogy
Jurassic Park
LOTR
Avatar

I would think that the 1953 version of War of the Worlds and Forbidden Planet would have to be in that list. I can't remember a sci-fi film older than those that looked as convincing.

[Diesel]

I believe these are the ones Duffy tried to post earlier, he moved the file locations and they are appearing now (these are from the actual disc):

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I think they definitely look better than the Fellowship ones we've seen so far.




Edit: More from Fellowship:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=2029


He has two reserved posts for Two Towers but hasn't put the images up yet.


Return of the King:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=2032

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=2033


These are the broken link ones at the bottom:

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[neo78956]

Originally Posted by Diesel

I believe these are the ones Duffy tried to post earlier, he moved the file locations and they are appearing now (these are from the actual disc):

[Show spoiler]

I think they definitely look better than the Fellowship ones we've seen so far.




Edit: More from Fellowship:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=2029


He has two reserved posts for Two Towers but hasn't put the images up yet.


Return of the King:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=2032

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=2033


These are the broken link ones at the bottom:

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That actually looks a hell of a lot better than the first set.

[42041]

Originally Posted by neo78956

2. FOTR never looked anywhere near as good as the first two films. As has been stated numerous times, it was shot in film, not 2K digital. It's a hell of a lot easier to turn a digitally shot film into a digital Home Video Format than a film print. That, and just go back and look at the DVDs and TNT HD broadcasts. FOTR always looked the worst, because Jackson and cinematographer Andrew Lesnie were still kind of figuring out how they wanted to really shoot the trilogy. Don't blame the PQ of the BD release, blame the original negative.

3. Speaking of which, the best way to get a great transfer from a film shot movie is to scan the original negatives. Isn't it possible that the original negatives aren't around anymore to scan?

As I've been saying this whole time, if you're still not convinced, wait till the films are out, rent them, watch them (all the way through) and then decide.

A correction: all three films were shot on film, simultaneously as a matter of fact. But for the first, only VFX shots were done digitally, and then were recorded back on to film and combined with the live action stuff. The second and third were mastered completely digitally. Original negatives are considered very valuable and they would be stored in a vault. They probably have the digital FX shots archived on tape as well.

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by 42041

A correction: all three films were shot on film, simultaneously as a matter of fact. But for the first, only VFX shots were done digitally, and then were recorded back on to film and combined with the live action stuff. The second and third were mastered completely digitally. Original negatives are considered very valuable and they would be stored in a vault.

True. Only the last 2 films have the DI entirely.

[Witch King of Angmar]

I am 100% sure that these movies will look way better on bluray than dvd.

[42041]

If better-than-DVD is your purchase criterion, that's cool, just don't be one of the people whining about the lack of a replacement program when a remastered version hits

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by aiman04

True. Only the last 2 films have the DI entirely.

huh? the DI featurette on the EE of 'Fellowship' is inaccurate ???

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

huh? the DI featurette on the EE of 'Fellowship' is inaccurate ???

The key word is "entirely". The featurette states that about 70% of Fellowship was done on a DI.

[42041]

straight from the cinematographer:
"One key difference, he concedes, is the fact that The Two Towers was entirely digitally mastered in New Zealand at Posthouse, under the supervision of colorist and Posthouse president Peter Doyle. While the extensive effects sequences on Fellowship had been mastered digitally, the entire movie was not. Lesnie says the process has improved sufficiently in the last year to make it logistically feasible to digitally master all of Two Towers, leading to, according to Lesnie, “a sharper look and finer grain.” "

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Ugh, I really hope they redo Fellowship.

It's hardly a Gladiator scenario though, it's not like swords are missing in their entirety, so I don't know if they will...

But, the mere fact that whatever happens they are going to put out the EE's gives me hope, a new master would certainly be a huge selling point over this version - especially among our crowd.

TT and RotK don't look bad at all. It's hardly anything fantastic like Braveheart, but certainly nothing to sneeze at. My worst case scenario would've been a bungled EE nightmare but luckily that didn't happen. The opposite in fact, all 3 are pretty free of it.

Fellowship desperately needs a new master though. Here's hoping. It wasn't originally mastered or treated as the other two were but given how everything has advanced technologically there's no reason an entirely new mastering wouldn't look amazing.

I have this version either way. Maybe that makes me "part of the problem" by supporting a lackluster version of the 1st installment, but these are three of my favorite movies of all time, so, whatever....

[aiman04]

I'm waiting for a professional review. If all the films don't get at least 4.5 stars PQ, then I'll cancel my pre-order.

This because I was originally gonna skip this for the EE, but the thought of seeing them on beautiful, glorious 1080p HD made me drool.

Obviously I'm not drooling anymore, I'd rather just wait for the EE if the reviews confirms the mediocre PQ (for BD standard).

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by aiman04

I'm waiting for a professional review. If all the films don't get at least 4.5 stars PQ, then I'll cancel my pre-order.

This because I was originally gonna skip this for the EE, but the thought of seeing them on beautiful, glorious 1080p HD made me drool.

Obviously I'm not drooling anymore, I'd rather just wait for the EE if the reviews confirms the mediocre PQ (for BD standard).

Define "Professional."

I can dig up several "professional" reviews that carried on and on about Gladiator...

[neo78956]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Ugh, I really hope they redo Fellowship.

It's hardly a Gladiator scenario though, it's not like swords are missing in their entirety, so I don't know if they will...

But, the mere fact that whatever happens they are going to put out the EE's gives me hope, a new master would certainly be a huge selling point over this version - especially among our crowd.

TT and RotK don't look bad at all. It's hardly anything fantastic like Braveheart, but certainly nothing to sneeze at. My worst case scenario would've been a bungled EE nightmare but luckily that didn't happen. The opposite in fact, all 3 are pretty free of it.

Fellowship desperately needs a new master though. Here's hoping. It wasn't originally mastered or treated as the other two were but given how everything has advanced technologically there's no reason an entirely new mastering wouldn't look amazing.

I have this version either way. Maybe that makes me "part of the problem" by supporting a lackluster version of the 1st installment, but these are three of my favorite movies of all time, so, whatever....

Not gonna lie, I actually bought Gladiator :P

But in all seriousness, I'm gonna get these, and then of course get the Extended Editions (which will more than likely come out next year as a 10th anniversary thing, idk, and then The Hobbit, and then The Hobbit Part II, and then the Extended Edition of The Hobbit, and then the Extended Editon of The Hobbit Part II, and then the super ultimate deluxe box set edition of all five theatrical cuts, and then the mega ultimate deluxe edition box set of all the extended editions. I'm a LOTR and all things related fanboy, so sue me.

[moshmothma]

I think folk are taking these screenshots for more than they are worth. The reencodes themselves look brilliant! The blurays will look spectacular. FOTR is the most uneven but really shines in a lot of scenes. These are clearly superior to the DVDs; the HD broadcasts are flat and colorless by comparison. Lots of great depth and detail.

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Define "Professional."

I can dig up several "professional" reviews that carried on and on about Gladiator...

If this is not professional, at least an honest one. 3 stars is fair.

Even if the same reviewer give this trilogy 3.5 stars for PQ (that's higher than Gladiator), I'll cancel my pre-order and wait for the EE. This is Lord of the Rings we're talking about, it deserves much better.

But it's OK, this is just my opinion based on my own observations, and I'm open for other people's opinion. That's why next I'll wait for the "professional" reviewers opinion to help me make the final decision. Everybody else can of course make up their own mind.

[neo78956]

Originally Posted by moshmothma

I think folk are taking these screenshots for more than they are worth. The reencodes themselves look brilliant! The blurays will look spectacular. FOTR is the most uneven but really shines in a lot of scenes. These are clearly superior to the DVDs; the HD broadcasts are flat and colorless by comparison. Lots of great depth and detail.

Translation, people are looking at them and saying

"The PQ is severely lacking because in 120:27 you can't see every pore in Elijah Wood's face and there's digital artifacts on Ian McKellan's nose in 115:18! I refuse to buy such an inferior product! "

Second, more accurate translation

"Waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!"