Lord of the Rings Trilogy (Theatrical Versions) - April 6, 2010 - Page 252 - Blu-ray Forum

kpkelley · 03-25-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

That's why the BD's look so lackluster, they're using that same old master.

Jeff Kleist of The Digital Bits has alredy commented several times that there were indeed several new masters minted for the Blu-ray release until they came to an agreement on which to use for the discs. Just check out the Digital Bits thread or Penton-Man's thread.

Diesel · 03-25-2010, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Yes, that master was done before the BD's, long before.

That's why Fellowship looks so lackluster, it's using that same old master.

I suggest you also follow Squid's advice.

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Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

You may want to visit Penton-Mans thread. An education awaits you there.

Amen my friend.

Todd Smith · 03-25-2010, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike2060

Compressing an image file will not add DNR. You can't compare a screen cap on your computer monitor to how it will look like on your HT display as they are obviously calibrated differently. And if eric.exe somehow didn't grab a frame from the bluray correctly, it would show up in things like color, contrast, brightness etc. Not DNR.

Exactly. There is just no getting around the DNR and combined with Daves review as well as some other first hand reports, these captures are VERY telling of the final release I am sure.

Also, as has been mentioned, Erics shots are indeed captures and they are accurate.

Stinky-Dinkins · 03-25-2010, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kpkelley

Jeff Kleist of The Digital Bits has alredy commented several times that there were indeed several new masters minted for the Blu-ray release until they came to an agreement on which to use for the discs. Just check out the Digital Bits thread or Penton-Man's thread.

Kleist can say the moon is purple, that doesn't make it true.

The BD's look virtually identical to the old HDTV broadcast versions + the application of DNR. With how technology had advanced in the mastering process since the old master was produced there's no way that would be the case if they had recently remastered it, there would be a clear and blatant improvement.

I'm sorry but it is just blatantly obvious those two came from the same master. It cannot be more clear.

kpkelley · 03-25-2010, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Kleist can say the moon is purple, that doesn't make it true.

IDK, was there a screenshot of it

Stinky-Dinkins · 03-25-2010, 04:40 PM

The moon has EE issues.

Todd Smith · 03-25-2010, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Kleist can say the moon is purple, that doesn't make it true.

The scary thing is if either Jeff or Bill Hunt said the moon was indeed purple, there are people here that would believe it!

Mike2060 · 03-25-2010, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

You may want to visit Penton-Mans thread. An education awaits you there.

Where can I find this thread?

kpkelley · 03-25-2010, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike2060

Where can I find this thread?

"Club Penton" - Ask Questions to Hollywood Insider "Penton-Man"

Mike2060 · 03-25-2010, 04:47 PM

Thanks, I just found it on my own.

captveg · 03-25-2010, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dborgill

"FOTR can't look any better" ? Why? It can't be remastered and look as good as the 15 year old Braveheart? Or how about 2003's Curse of the Black Pearl? There is NO excuse. Period.

Let me clarify: FOTR probably can't be made to look much better without spending a terrible amount of money to make a new DI. But why spend that money when Peter Jackson himself approves this transfer and makes such a venture an unnecessary expense?

SquidPuppet · 03-25-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd Smith

Exactly. There is just no getting around the DNR and combined with Daves review as well as some other first hand reports, these captures are VERY telling of the final release I am sure.

Also, as has been mentioned, Erics shots are indeed captures and they are accurate.

Captures of WHAT though? Even he cant tell you. A, B, interpolated?

Mike2060 · 03-25-2010, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

You may want to visit Penton-Mans thread. An education awaits you there.

Well I read it and nothing. Just some claims that LOTR looks bad from the start and that they did indeed remaster this.

Mike2060 · 03-25-2010, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

Captures of WHAT though? Even he cant tell you. A, B, interpolated?

A frame?

SquidPuppet · 03-25-2010, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel

I suggest you also follow Squid's advice.

Amen my friend.

There are some heavy duty professional resources on this site. Might as well take advantage of the opportunity, right?

SquidPuppet · 03-25-2010, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike2060

A frame?

Penton-Man is an executive at Sony Pictures Home Entertainment. He is very knowledgeable about the entire process from capture all the way to the disc, and every step along the way. (workflow)

I suggest you ask him why "frame" grabs are a faulty science. There are technical performance based issues in players and displays that he can explain, and why grabbing a single "frame" is like tossing a dart at a board in what result you may achieve.

radagast · 03-25-2010, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd Smith

The scary thing is if either Jeff or Bill Hunt said the moon was indeed purple, there are people here that would believe it!

And if Eric had a screen shot of a purple moon, a whole different set of people would believe it.

Mike2060 · 03-25-2010, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

Penton-Man is an executive at Sony Pictures Home Entertainment. He is very knowledgeable about the entire process from capture all the way to the disc, and every step along the way. (workflow)

I suggest you ask him why "frame" grabs are a faulty science. There are technical performance based issues in players and displays that he can explain, and why grabbing a single "frame" is like tossing a dart at a board in what result you may achieve.

Yeah, a faulty capture will make FOTR look awful. How come every capture of movies that have good transfers magically look great?

neo78956 · 03-25-2010, 05:01 PM

I can't even remember what we're really arguing about anymore.

SquidPuppet · 03-25-2010, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike2060

Yeah, a faulty capture will make FOTR look awful. How come every capture of movies that have good transfers magically look great?

I am not claiming that any LOTRs looks good or bad. I have not seen them.

If you dont want to ask Penton, fine. But you are missing out on a tremendous amount of valuable information from an industry proffessional.

Your understanding of a "frame" from a Blu-ray disc is flawed. A "frame" on a Blu-ray disc is not the same as a frame of film.

Penton is a great guy. Its quite fun chatting with him and you will learn a ton.

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