Lord of the Rings Trilogy (Theatrical Versions) - April 6, 2010 - Page 290 - Blu-ray Forum

Damage Inc. · 03-27-2010, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by billzfan

Film is a high def format. People forget that. 35MM films shot in 1935 are in HD. The actual resolution is higher than 1080p slightly.

You should read better;
I wasn't saying (old) film isn't HD, I was giving the misconception by many regular consumers
who think that older films weren't shot in HD,
as an example similar to why people might think that a big film such as 'The Lord Of The Rings'
should look amazingly clear.

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I would say that too many people here don't necesarily understand that a soft picture doesn't always mean a bad transfer. Directors sometimes shoot their films that way as an artistic choice. Think about the first time Gandalf the White shows up in a glowy soft image. It was meant to look that way. It gives you that dream like state that makes a lot of sense for a fantasy film.

That's what I basically said... what the heck?...

emgesp · 03-27-2010, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I did not mean the quality, I mean the expectation. As good as GWTW or Casablanca are as movies they do not have the cult follwoing of every nerds in the universe who are setting their expectation so high in their minds that no matter what is done, there is no way to make them happy.

As long as Star Wars isn't loaded with DNR and EE I bet most fans will be happy with the quality.

Though, I don't know if the HD masters are really good enough for a Blu-ray release. I think the Master for the Star Wars DVD was made in 2003.

SquidPuppet · 03-27-2010, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I did not mean the quality, I mean the expectation. As good as GWTW or Casablanca are as movies they do not have the cult follwoing of every nerds in the universe who are setting their expectation so high in their minds that no matter what is done, there is no way to make them happy.

But I think its the same thing with those films. Not the same quantity of people, no, but the level of expectation for quality was just as high.

For years people waited for Gladiator and Braveheart. One got slammed and one received praise, and IMO both were worthy of what they got.

What I am saying is, if Star Wars looks fantastic, nobody will complain.

P@t_Mtl · 03-27-2010, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by emgesp

As long as Star Wars isn't loaded with DNR and EE I bet most fans will be happy with the quality.

Though, I don't know if the HD masters are really good enough for a Blu-ray release. I think the Master for the Star Wars DVD was made in 2003.

The original movis of Star Wars will probably be re-work and I don't have a doubt they will look stunning. That said, I am expecting a serious wave of critic when the special effects of the 70's and early 80's are seen for the first time in 1080p. Some people will be in for a serious shock and most likely the complain will come from that angle

emgesp · 03-27-2010, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

The original movis of Star Wars will probably be re-work and I don't have a doubt they will look stunning. That said, I am expecting a serious wave of critic when the special effects of the 70's and early 80's are seen for the first time in 1080p. Some people will be in for a serious shock and most likely the complain will come from that angle

Those will be from people who aren't die hard fans. Die hard fans love the 70's special effects, especially compared to the crappy CGI effects.

Batman1980 · 03-27-2010, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

The original movis of Star Wars will probably be re-work and I don't have a doubt they will look stunning. That said, I am expecting a serious wave of critic when the special effects of the 70's and early 80's are seen for the first time in 1080p. Some people will be in for a serious shock and most likely the complain will come from that angle

Which is pretty sad really, when you consider just how revolutionary those affects really were, granted about 30 years ago. I still think they look good today, FWIW,

P@t_Mtl · 03-27-2010, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

But I think its the same thing with those films. Not the same quantity of people, no, but the level of expectation for quality was just as high.

For years people waited for Gladiator and Braveheart. One got slammed and one received praise, and IMO both were worthy of what they got.

What I am saying is, if Star Wars looks fantastic, nobody will complain.

I see what you. I suppose the action/fantasy/scifi fans might be more vocal about it then the drama fans.

The Duke · 03-27-2010, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

How so? As Kenneth Brown said, WB is not allowing reviewers to post screen grabs of the blus but is instead sending them studio approved pictures for use.

The thing is, those "pre-approved studio images" are scarier than the real thing.

SquidPuppet · 03-27-2010, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

The original movis of Star Wars will probably be re-work and I don't have a doubt they will look stunning. That said, I am expecting a serious wave of critic when the special effects of the 70's and early 80's are seen for the first time in 1080p. Some people will be in for a serious shock and most likely the complain will come from that angle

I didnt complain about the model airplane in Casablanca in 1080P

P@t_Mtl · 03-27-2010, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

I didnt complain about the model airplane in Casablanca.

and it does look brutal does it not....it pulled me right out of the story

Diesel · 03-27-2010, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by emgesp

Sorry, but there is no excuse using 8 yr old masters for the Blu-ray. The trilogy made 3 billion dollars for christsake. I think they could find the money to invest in a totally new master for all three films.

They didn't.

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Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I sort of agree with you on this. We can expect probably the same thing wiht Indiana Jones & Star Wars later on.

Oh the horror that will be those threads

emgesp · 03-27-2010, 09:10 PM

Blade Runner was given great treatment. This is a movie that flopped at the box-office, but the Blu-ray is one of the best out there.

Now you have LOTR that made 3 billion dollars, but was just sloppily put together for the Blu-ray release.

Doesn't make sense to me.

Damage Inc. · 03-27-2010, 09:11 PM

Well, I wasn't even born early enough to see 'Star Wars' at the time of its initial releases.
But I don't have much of a problem with the older special-effects.
If anything it gets its own original style to it.

And sure, you might see a little more "fake" to it in HD.
But I'm pretty sure I'll consider it just the same as I saw it in SD.
In the same way I simply accepted older special-effects while growing up in the '90s.
It is what it is and I've never really been bothered with older films that were made well.

Also, as for the 'The Lord Of The Rings'-Trilogy on BD:
Don't you think this is just a quick first release, kind of like 'Gladiator',
and a more special and better version, such as for the Extended Edition, will come later?...
I dare to bet all my BDs on it...

Batman1980 · 03-27-2010, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

and it does look brutal does it not....it pulled me right out of the story

Not as much as the car in the Shire in LoTR will.

emgesp · 03-27-2010, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel

They didn't.

They didn't what? They didn't use the same Master that was used for the DVD's?

Ummm, yes they did, but with more DNR and at a higher resolution.

SquidPuppet · 03-27-2010, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

and it does look brutal does it not....it pulled me right out of the story

Yet they went through the trouble of going to a real airport to record real airplane audio.

Diesel · 03-27-2010, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

But I think its the same thing with those films. Not the same quantity of people, no, but the level of expectation for quality was just as high.

For years people waited for Gladiator and Braveheart. One got slammed and one received praise, and IMO both were worthy of what they got.

What I am saying is, if Star Wars looks fantastic, nobody will complain.

Did you really just put Star Wars and no complaining in the same sentence Squid?

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Originally Posted by emgesp

They didn't what? They didn't use the same Master that was used for the DVD's?

Ummm, yes they did, but with more DNR and at a higher resolution.

Ummm, no they didn't just turn out an 8 year old master.

They remastered at least 5 times before it was approved.

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Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

Not as much as the car in the Shire in LoTR will.

I believe that has long since been edited out.

P@t_Mtl · 03-27-2010, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel

Ummm, no they didn't just turn out an 8 year old master.

They remastered at least 5 times before it was approved.

At this point maybe they should have try for 6 times

Batman1980 · 03-27-2010, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

At this point maybe they should have try for 6 times

Warner Brothers! I am not trying to rob you! I am trying to help you!
Warner Brothers -

SquidPuppet · 03-27-2010, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel

Did you really just put Star Wars and no complaining in the same sentence Squid?

.

I am not talking about the Jar Jar versions.

Yuck... I hate even typing that word.

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Damage Inc. Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Jan 2009 Location:The Netherlands 4K collection:3 Blu-ray collection:384 DVD collection:5	Well, I wasn't even born early enough to see 'Star Wars' at the time of its initial releases. But I don't have much of a problem with the older special-effects. If anything it gets its own original style to it. And sure, you might see a little more "fake" to it in HD. But I'm pretty sure I'll consider it just the same as I saw it in SD. In the same way I simply accepted older special-effects while growing up in the '90s. It is what it is and I've never really been bothered with older films that were made well. Also, as for the 'The Lord Of The Rings'-Trilogy on BD: Don't you think this is just a quick first release, kind of like 'Gladiator', and a more special and better version, such as for the Extended Edition, will come later?... I dare to bet all my BDs on it... Last edited by Damage Inc.; 03-27-2010 at 09:14 PM.

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emgesp Senior Member Member since:Jun 2008 4K collection:143 Blu-ray collection:342 Blu-ray reviews:1	Blade Runner was given great treatment. This is a movie that flopped at the box-office, but the Blu-ray is one of the best out there. Now you have LOTR that made 3 billion dollars, but was just sloppily put together for the Blu-ray release. Doesn't make sense to me.

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