Lord of the Rings Trilogy (Theatrical Versions) - April 6, 2010

[jonmoz]

We seem to be confusing the matter here,Pioneer added Dts Master audio decoding by the player for delivery via it's 7.1 outputs with a firmware update.

It had always been able to send a raw Dta Master audio signal from its Hdmi output via bitstream,which is the way i connect my player to my reciever.

Most Blu-ray players that initilaly came out ie profile 1.0 would not output Dts Master audio via Hdmi bitstream,that is why i waited for the first profile 2.0 players to arrive before buying my first Blu-ray player the Panasonic Dmp-BD30.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Fors*

I think the malice shown by Sam towards Gollum is exactly why Sam wouldn't have been a good choice. Plus, it really didn't matter did it, as it was Bilbo who ultimately got to choose who to pass the ring onto? I don't know if Gandalf could have altered who Bilbo decided to bear the ring? What do you think Grand Bob?

Gandalf was resigned for the most part to the role of passive bystander with regard to who possessed the Ring.

[Show spoiler]I think the entire chain of how the Ring got passed on and eventually destroyed can easily be ascribed to the one agency that Tolkien carefully avoids stating in the story: Providence. Much irony is involved, as the representatives of the least likely race (Hobbits) are tasked to accomplish its destruction, and the irony is magnified when the least likely creature of all (Gollum) ends up destroying it. Gandalf, having the most reason to have faith in the matter, as literally an emissary of God (Eru), simply allowed the events to unfold, but once the ringbearer was decided (as a matter of fate), he made it his responsibility to make whatever sacrifice was necessary (including his death) to see it through.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by jonmoz

We seem to be confusing the matter here,Pioneer added Dts Master audio decoding by the player for delivery via it's 7.1 outputs with a firmware update.

It had always been able to send a raw Dta Master audio signal from its Hdmi output via bitstream,which is the way i connect my player to my reciever.

"Pioneer Elite’s BDP-09FD is capable of decoding Dolby TrueHD and Dolby Digital Plus right out of the box, and a firmware update will enable DTS-HD Master Audio and DTS-HD High Resolution Audio decoders."

As I read this, you did not have onboard decoding in your Pioneer for these two codecs until the firmware update was installed.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

Do you have a feature on your receiver where you can Matrix the soundtrack to give you back speaker sound? The option would be Dolby Pro Logic Movie llx or it may be listed as PLllx Movie. You should have something like that.

That's like kissing your sister if you have a DTS-HD MA decoder in either your player or your receiver. You ain't gittin what you paid for. DTS-HD MA 6.1

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

"Pioneer Elite’s BDP-09FD is capable of decoding Dolby TrueHD and Dolby Digital Plus right out of the box, and a firmware update will enable DTS-HD Master Audio and DTS-HD High Resolution Audio decoders."

As I read this, you did not have onboard decoding in your Pioneer for these two codecs until the firmware update was installed.

Because the DTS decoding solution wasn't done yet. Once Pioneer received the application they upgraded the firmware.

As a matter of fact Sony held off until other players could do it, so the PS3 wouldn't be seen as trying to unfairly dominate the market.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by jonmoz

We seem to be confusing the matter here,Pioneer added Dts Master audio decoding by the player for delivery via it's 7.1 outputs with a firmware update.

It had always been able to send a raw Dta Master audio signal from its Hdmi output via bitstream,which is the way i connect my player to my reciever.

Most Blu-ray players that initilaly came out ie profile 1.0 would not output Dts Master audio via Hdmi bitstream,that is why i waited for the first profile 2.0 players to arrive before buying my first Blu-ray player the Panasonic Dmp-BD30.

Profiles have no effect on what players bitstream, however players that support PiP must be able to decode Dolby Digital Plus and DTS Express.

BTW: The Panny BD30 was Profile 1.1, it was one of the first BD players with "DTS Advanced Digital Out".

[phansson]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

DTS (lossy) ES and DTS-MA ES are 2 different codecs.

Yes, but what is causing the problem. There are only a couple of scenarios.

1. It isn't really 6.1
2. It isn't flagged correctly.

BTW, the Integra 9.8 is capable of DTS HD MA 6.1 and also the Oppo only shows DTS hdma English 5.1 as an option under audio. So something isn't right....

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Both the OPPO and the Integra (pretty much a pre-amp version of my Onkyo TX-NR905) are crippled with "Essentials" decoders. You both are stuck, unless (like me) you also have a PS3. My OPPO is the primary BD player, but for Disney/Pixar discs and some others with DTS-MA 5.1 ES I use the PS3 .

The Integra model noted was introduced in 2007. DTS 'Essentials' wasn't introduced until Nov 2008.

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

That's like kissing your sister if you have a DTS-HD MA decoder in either your player or your receiver. You ain't gittin what you paid for. DTS-HD MA 6.1

Please explain why not.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by phansson

Yes, but what is causing the problem. There are only a couple of scenarios.

1. It isn't really 6.1
2. It isn't flagged correctly.

BTW, the Integra 9.8 is capable of DTS HD MA 6.1 and also the Oppo only shows DTS hdma English 5.1 as an option under audio. So something isn't right....

They will decode discrete 6.1 (again, the aformentioned X-MEN: The Last Stand), not matrixed.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

The Integra model noted was introduced in 2007. DTS 'Essentials' wasn't introduced until Nov 2008.

They didn't name it Essentials until then, but the limitations have been there since the first devices that could decode DTS-MA. They probably did it to prevent people like me from getting annoyed after the fact because there was no way to tell before.

[aiman04]

LOTR has DTS-HD MA 6.1 ES, it's not discrete only pre-flagged with the extra surround back channel for your decoder to read and produce it.

This means a decoder with DTS-HD MA Essential won't be able to hear 6.1, because it has no capability to read the pre-flagged surround back channel matrix. Older receivers usually only has DTS-HD MA Essential, even though it never mentioned on the specs sheet. My Onkyo TX-SR875 is also the same. This decoder can only decode DTS-HD MA discrete to get the surround back channel.

PS3 was first given update with DTS-HD MA Essential, which caused a lot of discussion 2 years back. A new update with full DTS-HD MA decoder was later released.

You can check both DTS-HD MA 7.1 discrete and 7.1 ES on the same disc of older New Line Cinema blu-rays. During the New Line montage before the movie, it's DTS-HD MA 7.1 discrete (my Onkyo correctly shows 7.1) while the movie itself is 7.1 ES (my Onkyo only shows 5.1).

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

The Integra model noted was introduced in 2007. DTS 'Essentials' wasn't introduced until Nov 2008.

DTS-HD MA Essentials was released with PS3's firmware 2.30 on April 15, 2008. At that time I remember reading the "About PlayStation 3" and it shows the DTS-HD MA Essential logo.

Full DTS-HD MA decoder later releases with firmware 2.40 on July 2, 2008.

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

They will decode discrete 6.1 (again, the aformentioned X-MEN: The Last Stand), not matrixed.

Yes, X-Men The Last Stand has DTS-HD MA 6.1 Discrete. What's confusing here, the studios never properly label the audio correctly. For discrete trackss are fine, they can simply put 6.1 without mentioning discrete. But, for ES tracks they MUST label it with "ES" to show it's not discrete.

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

They didn't name it Essentials until then, but the limitations have been there since the first devices that could decode DTS-MA. They probably did it to prevent people like me from getting annoyed after the fact because there was no way to tell before.

Correct. This usually happen with new technology, there will be issues before it fully matures.

[Underworld54]

Ok, so please tell me guys, if I am bitstreaming from my Sony BDP S350 to a less than 1 year old Yamaha RX-V765 receiver why do I have to do PLIIx processing in order to get the back channels to produce audio???

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

Please explain why not.

DTS-HD MA is advertised as bit for bit identical to the studio master. By adding post processing such as PLIIx you are moving further and further away from the sound image created in the studio.

Don't get me wrong, I use PLIIx when I am watching TV and, although I rent and buy BD's exclusively now, I still have a few DVDs like the TE editions of LOTR that I will use it for. But, if I have access to DTS-HD MA sound, thats what I want to hear and I don't want to add any additional processing.

With the PS3, the DSP in my receiver is bypassed and the LPCM stream output by the PS3 is routed directly to the DAC where it is converted to analog for the speakers. I believe enabling PLIIx or other sound fields defeats the speaker remapping function of the DTS decoder as well.

I'm not a purist, but I am as close as I can get to being one on my budget.

http://www.dolby.com/professional/te...logic-IIx.html

[Batman1980]

I am starting to like Cate Blanchett a lot more than I did before, Galadriel may have something to do with that. I wonder if her ring is more powerful than Elrond's or Mithrandir's.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

I am starting to like Cate Blanchett a lot more than I did before, Galadriel may have something to do with that. I wonder if her ring is more powerful than Elrond's or Mithrandir's.

Elrond's ring Vilya is the most powerful of the three Elven rings.

[RIKANA]

Originally Posted by grand bob

elrond's ring is the most powerful.

"No...It's the ONE RING!!!!" - Gandalf



RI

[lDlisturb3d]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

I am starting to like Cate Blanchett a lot more than I did before, Galadriel may have something to do with that. I wonder if her ring is more powerful than Elrond's or Mithrandir's.

Yo i didn't know that was her, i thought she looked familiar, that my chick after seeing benjamin button. She's a fox