HDR Discussion Thread

[Penton-Man]

Note to Kris D., if Darin's still into it, pass this onto him, a new white paper....https://www.cinionic.com/news/cinema...ast-whitepaper

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by Adrian Wright

I have the 2016 C6 OLED with burn in and this has not been abused or misused in any way, shape or form. Using the built-in LG YouTube App, I now have 2 rectangular buttons burnt into the lower right of the screen.

Granted, this can only be seen on solid Red / Pink / Orange screens but is annoying nonetheless. LG were useless and referred me to a third party repair company who quoted me £2500.00 to replace the panel.

This is a real problem with OLED technology and I suspect LG know this, hence why it is not covered under warranty.

No manufacturer covers burn-in on any TV.

LG's or any Youtube App can cause burn-in on an OLED TV, but the app must be running for 2 or more hrs per day for several days without much other content displayed during that period.

For 2018 LG integrated the static image dimming algorithm which greatly reduces the possibly of burning in a static image.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

No manufacturer covers burn-in on any TV.

LG's or any Youtube App can cause burn-in on an OLED TV, but the app must be running for 2 or more hrs per day for several days without much other content displayed during that period.

For 2018 LG integrated the static image dimming algorithm which greatly reduces the possibly of burning in a static image.

It depends Robert, one TV dealer told me that burn-in issues on LG OLED TVs purchased from their store are sent for a screen's replacement. He even showed me some LG OLED TVs from the floor with permanent burn-in spots.

Another store, the TV sales people don't want to talk much about LG OLED burn-in issues, five salesmen!

This is the truth, nothing invented. I know so, I was shopping for a C8.
And when I shop with my money I shop seriously.

@ both places I was recommended Samsung QLED.

[PaulGo]

Originally Posted by Adrian Wright

I have the 2016 C6 OLED with burn in and this has not been abused or misused in any way, shape or form. Using the built-in LG YouTube App, I now have 2 rectangular buttons burnt into the lower right of the screen.

Granted, this can only be seen on solid Red / Pink / Orange screens but is annoying nonetheless. LG were useless and referred me to a third party repair company who quoted me £2500.00 to replace the panel.

This is a real problem with OLED technology and I suspect LG know this, hence why it is not covered under warranty.

This Rtings burn in tests has some feedback from customers of OLED TV's that claim they used their TV's normally and got burn in. The also state that LG refused to assist them in resolving the issue.

cnet had a good article on OLED image retention:

https://www.cnet.com/news/oled-scree...-need-to-know/

One other issue to be concerned about is HDR on a OLED display which will increase the brightness level and possibly decrease the lifespan of an OLED display.
https://www.techhive.com/article/323...r-oled-tv.html

[Robert Zohn]

@LordoftheRings, No burn-in coverage for dealers in the USA.

I recommend the UK retailer Crampton and Moore. They are a well respected high-end retailer. Give them a call. Oops, thought you lived in the UK.

[Robert Zohn]

@PaulGo, love CNET's article on OLED burn-in. It's 100% correct and accurate.

If you want all of the truth and nothing but the truth read CNET's OLED burn-in article.

Thanks for posting it!

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[ray0414]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

I have owned Samsung AMOLED phones since the Captivate with no burn in but I have seen many pictures of phones with burn in. The LG phones seem to have the most problems.

Seems like the most burn in prone oled phones lately are the Galaxy S8/S9/note 8 lines because of the new navigation bar at the bottom.. My S8+ had nav bar burn in within 3-4 months. Have the S9+ now, the home button is now very very faintly burned in when I look for it on an all white screen. I am a very heavy user though.

As far as relating overall burn in with this thread, the theories are that heavy hdr watching puts you at a higher risk of burn in and shorter life expectancy of the panel and can lose brightness over time. If you're someone who buys a new TV every 2-3 years you should be okay but if you want a 5-10 year TV you may have issues, especially with HDR becoming more available.

[LordoftheRings]

HDR, Brightness, Burn-in, OLED, LED, QLED, MicroLED, all that jazz, ...with and without everything known to man so far ...

This is only a restricted article because it is old, because it is not the bible, because tests of burn-in in issues develop over time, because it's easy to read fudge on the Internet from various directions ...

• https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...ed-vs-oled-tv/

HDR to perform @ its very best require ideal conditions and light and tech implementation and video processing, and reliability and durability and longevity. Some folks love LG OLED (me), other folks love Sony OLED (some pro video calibrators, me too), some folks love Samsung QLED (me), some folks love Sony LED (me), some folks love Samsung MicroLED (me), ...Panasonic OLED (Canada and EU), TLC, Vizio, ...nits & all Dolby lights on.

TVs that were made five, three years ago, today and tomorrow with HDR and HDR10 and HDR10+, they come and go with various parameters of HDR performance.
The hardcore fans from one and another display technology they have their clubs and they watch their TVs all over the world. Some are heavily biased by the pro video calibrators, others by the top video reviewers, and some by their top local video salesmen.

We are affirmative on what HDR benefits, and we know that HDR is not all end to TV performance and best picture overall and longevity and the program material we love watching in day-to-day use...Blu-rays, 4K streaming, TV news, gaming, ...

For example, I love 3D (Sony LED Z Series), I love 4K (all brands), I love Dolby (several brands), I love HDR (some brands more than others), I love OLED (LG, Panasonic, Sony), I love beautiful looking women (all over the world). I love freedom...Braveheart in 4K UHD HDR10 Dolby Vision Dolby Atmos.

[Adrian Wright]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

No manufacturer covers burn-in on any TV.

LG's or any Youtube App can cause burn-in on an OLED TV, but the app must be running for 2 or more hrs per day for several days without much other content displayed during that period.

For 2018 LG integrated the static image dimming algorithm which greatly reduces the possibly of burning in a static image.

Thanks for the clarification Robert, it is appreciated. I did not use mine for 2 or more hours a day for several days without other content being displayed and yet it still burnt the image in.

Whilst I understand reckless use can bring about the damage, I would not expect 'normal use' with an LG verified app to do this. If we are talking about variances in Panel quality, then LG should do the decent thing and honor the warranties and stand by their products

[BluRayHiDef]

Originally Posted by Adrian Wright

Thanks for the clarification Robert, it is appreciated. I did not use mine for 2 or more hours a day for several days without other content being displayed and yet it still burnt the image in.

Whilst I understand reckless use can bring about the damage, I would not expect 'normal use' with an LG verified app to do this. If we are talking about variances in Panel quality, then LG should do the decent thing and honor the warranties and stand by their products

This is why I'd use an OLED TV strictly for watching movies, streamed content, and television shows on channels that don't display a logo on the screen.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I can only speak to the issue with regards to personal experience. We have a 2017 consumer WOLED in our bedroom. It’s run probably a little more than 2 hrs./day with routine programming including occasional Ultra HD Blu-rays. No evidence of burn-in…..so far.

Several BVM-X300 OLEDs I've seen have the so-called pillar box burn-in as the result of working many hours in UHD rather than true 4K.

Ah, because it's 3840 rather 4096. Heh, and there were people who were telling me that borders don't get burned in . Sure, it's not the whole black bar but the very hard area of contrast between active content and the black border which can get retained on-screen, it's no different from an on-screen logo in that respect and I had this EXACT problem with my Pioneer plasma a decade ago, albeit with 'scope letterbox bars.

My point being that I simply don't use my main display for much "routine viewing". I'm not kidding. I watch very little 'day to day' TV stuff on said display, don't use the Internet features at all, I'm not a gamer either, it's movies movies movies. Example: I've worked my way through the five Mission Impossibles on UHD over the last week, which is the only action my TV has seen in that time, being turned on from cold to watch 2 hours of letterboxed HDR content and then 30+ minutes of comparing still frames between the BD and the UHD, and then it's turned off again. This is basically what I've been doing on my TV since getting it in May last year (though I didn't do any of those format comparisons on my plasma).

Some people would say that I'd merely need to alternate my viewing between letterboxed and 1.78/1.85 content, and/or leave it on a 'screen wash' cycle with noise or whatever, but A) I don't like having my viewing choices dictated to me by the TV, nor do I like having it burning leccy when I'm not even watching it, and 2) I did all that alternating/screen washing/200 hours stuff with my plasma anyway and it still wasn't enough. Yes, a 2018 OLED is not a 2006 plasma but everything I've seen points to OLED still having this issue and I'm just not chancing it, I'm done babysitting my TVs.

[BluRayHiDef]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Ah, because it's 3840 rather 4096. Heh, and there were people who were telling me that borders don't get burned in . Sure, it's not the whole black bar but the very hard area of contrast between active content and the black border which can get retained on-screen, it's no different from an on-screen logo in that respect and I had this EXACT problem with my Pioneer plasma a decade ago, albeit with 'scope letterbox bars.

My point being that I simply don't use my main display for much "routine viewing". I'm not kidding. I watch very little 'day to day' TV stuff on said display, don't use the Internet features at all, I'm not a gamer either, it's movies movies movies. Example: I've worked my way through the five Mission Impossibles on UHD over the last week, which is the only action my TV has seen in that time, being turned on from cold to watch 2 hours of letterboxed HDR content and then 30+ minutes of comparing still frames between the BD and the UHD, and then it's turned off again. This is basically what I've been doing on my TV since getting it in May last year (though I didn't do any of those format comparisons on my plasma).

Some people would say that I'd merely need to alternate my viewing between letterboxed and 1.78/1.85 content, and/or leave it on a 'screen wash' cycle with noise or whatever, but A) I don't like having my viewing choices dictated to me by the TV, nor do I like having it burning leccy when I'm not even watching it, and 2) I did all that alternating/screen washing/200 hours stuff with my plasma anyway and it still wasn't enough. Yes, a 2018 OLED is not a 2006 plasma but everything I've seen points to OLED still having this issue and I'm just not chancing it, I'm done babysitting my TVs.

So, what's your preference between OLED and LCD?

[Geoff D]

That should be patently obvious.

[LordoftheRings]

Geoff, you are dead on; post #5853

[BluRayHiDef]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That should be patently obvious.

Not really, because you imply that your main display is an OLED but express dissatisfaction in regard to its drawbacks. So, I'm not sure.

[Geoff D]

I own an LCD, Sony 65ZD9.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

The hardcore fans from one and another display technology they have their clubs and they watch their TVs all over the world. Some are heavily biased by the pro video calibrators, others by the top video reviewers, and some by their top local video salesmen.

Problem is, many hardcore fans accept everything their favorites say as gospel, when, fact of the matter is, they all make mistakes with some of their assertions when they speak above their experience and expertise.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Ah, because it's 3840 rather 4096.

Correct

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Heh, and there were people who were telling me that borders don't get burned in .

Don’t listen to ‘people’. Listen to men and women of science. I’m a man of science, and science says…..

Jack Link’s Runnin’ with Sasquatch Mountain Biking Extended Version - YouTube

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Problem is, many hardcore fans accept everything their favorites say as gospel, when, fact of the matter is, they all make mistakes with some of their assertions when they speak above their experience and expertise.

Well said Penton-Man. May we all learn in time.
The more I learn the better life is and the people inside it.
HDR can only get better.

And would you sit down with this guy, and eat?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgyW...ature=youtu.be