HDTVTEST (Vincent Teoh) Discussion Thread

[samlop10]

Originally Posted by lgans316

I also read that the real world peak brightness is higher than the test patterns.and based on what I am reading at AVSForum, A90J is noticeably brighter when compared to the other OLEDs. Personally I am not happy as it doesn't come in 77 inches. 83 is way too expensive and my Panasonic 65 GZ OLED is already looking smaller lol.

I keep reading that but I have yet to see anyone measure anything higher in real-world content. They keep saying it but it’s like no one wants to try and measure it even though there is plenty of HDR content (movies/series) they could use to test that and measure it.

83” is the sweet spot for me for a living room setup, but yeah I think 77” would probably be better for most people.

Even then, the considerable higher price of the A90J, only 2 HDMI 2.1 inputs (compared to 4 on the G1), and the capped brightness for accuracy has basically made me decide to wait until next year and see what is available there. The slight bigger size would definitely be nice but the price difference combined with the drawbacks of the A90J is not worth it imo. I’d suggest looking into the 77” G1, I bet after all the tests and reviews are done it will not be much different than the A90J, and then you take into account the price, and well, I bet anyone looking for a 77” OLED model will at least be slightly enticed to look at the 77” G1.

[Fendergopher]

Originally Posted by samlop10

Yeah I am hoping they will release an OLED with a heat sink next year and get brighter without sacrificing accuracy. I am wondering though, maybe they realized that even with the heat sink the brightness would not be worth it given how inaccurate it gets? Because now it has been basically verified that the Sony uses both the Evo panel as well as the heat sink, end even with both it caps around +-800 nits if you want accuracy. Anything brighter than that it gets pretty inaccurate. Maybe LG realized that and decided the cost and added weight and depth would not be worth it because of that.

All the Sony OLEDs have had lower peak brightness than other brands after calibration, due to their tone mapping setup IIRC, so that could still be at play there. The HZ2000 showed that you can get higher peak brightness while remaining accurate, I don't think the two are mutually exclusive as long as the manufacturer values proper EOTF tracking.

[samlop10]

Originally Posted by lgans316

I thought they advertised the G1 as being 20% brighter at CES when it is not.

It does seem to be ~20% brighter but only on like full-screen bright sequences, not smaller bright highlights.

[samlop10]

Originally Posted by Fendergopher

All the Sony OLEDs have had lower peak brightness than other brands after calibration, due to their tone mapping setup IIRC, so that could still be at play there. The HZ2000 showed that you can get higher peak brightness while remaining accurate, I don't think the two are mutually exclusive as long as the manufacturer values proper EOTF tracking.

I hope that is the case. If LG can release an 83” model with the new panel and a heat sink that is 900+ nits without sacrificing accuracy, I will be all over it.

[Better in Blu]

Originally Posted by samlop10

It does seem to be ~20% brighter but only on like full-screen bright sequences, not smaller bright highlights.

More brightness doesn't always mean it's better. What does additional brightness mean for contrast?

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by Better in Blu

More brightness doesn't always mean it's better. What does additional brightness mean for contrast?

Of course but with 8.3 million dimmable zones, even small amount of brightness would make the highlights pop.

[samlop10]

Originally Posted by Better in Blu

More brightness doesn't always mean it's better. What does additional brightness mean for contrast?

Well, it’ll help the display tone map less with bigger objects that are brighter. And given it’s an OLED, it can still dim each pixel to pitch black, so contrast should be unaffected, and contrast actually improved with bigger brighter objects, especially when there’s darker highlights around those objects.

[LordoftheRings]

The best is yet to come ... MicroLED

[Better in Blu]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

The best is yet to come ... MicroLED

So new and improved still applies....such marketing lol

[LordoftheRings]

Just have to be patient. If not Sony, or LG OLED ... 2021 NEW models.
Last year's models should be affordable.

But you don't need a new TV, you have one already. Unless, you want the newest and best...Sony 83" OLED.

[DDH]

Who is D-Nice referring to?

[tama]

Originally Posted by DDH

Who is D-Nice referring to?

The man this very thread is dedicated to.

[DDH]

Originally Posted by tama

The man this very thread is dedicated to.

I wasn't really sure. So there is a rivalry displayed.

[Jay Mammoth]

Originally Posted by DDH

I wasn't really sure. So there is a rivalry displayed.

Yeah they were going at it a few months ago on the avs forum. It was pretty entertaining.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by tama

The man this very thread is dedicated to.

That wasn't very...D-Nice of him.

[ThulsaMike88]

I certainly respect D-Nice's technical knowledge and detailed reviews, but he comes off as a bit unprofessional to me at times.

[bytor]

Definitely more unprofessional than Vincent, but the best of the best usually are. Vincent is pretty by the books so it wouldn't surprise me if other calibrators are able to come up with more creative settings.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by ThulsaMike88

I certainly respect D-Nice's technical knowledge and detailed reviews, but he comes off as a bit unprofessional to me at times.

Probably more petty professional jealousy. Vincent, because of the YouTube aspect of his job, has made himself a well known face. And that is always going to paint a target on your back for those who feel they haven't got the same recognition and, perks, they deserve.

That and maybe a bit of unconscious racism.

[wxman2003]

This may not end well.

https://www.avsforum.com/threads/202...#post-60593076

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by bytor

Definitely more unprofessional than Vincent, but the best of the best usually are. Vincent is pretty by the books so it wouldn't surprise me if other calibrators are able to come up with more creative settings.

Vincent is an Influencer, D-Nice is not.