8K discussion thread

[DDH]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

At our July 30-31, 2022 4K and 8K TV Shootout Evalueaiton event we're taking the winners of the 4K and 8K and positing them butt next to each other with the same 4K content demonstrated on both TVs at the same time.

It's great Robert, if you can do it with different sources on identical technology 4K and 8K broadcasters. It will be a first.
We discredit 8K without making a comparison on 4K and 8K broadcasters of the same technology (LCD mini Led and or Oled).
The only study I know of was done on a single 88-inch 8K Oled broadcaster with different 8K and 4K content. But this study is biased from the outset. In this study, they did not perform this same test on a 77-inch 4K Oled diffuser while it was available and then compare with the 8K diffuser.
https://www.techhive.com/article/578...ifference.html

Here is what Michael Zink answered me...
https://twitter.com/DDBH59/status/1450930686391631883

[Robert Zohn]

Thank you DDH! Will do!!

[Staying Salty]

Originally Posted by Sky_Captain

Does your cousin feel the same?

Bang Bang .(You Shot Me Down)Kiil Bill - YouTube

[Lee A Stewart]

Shoot in 8K. Watch in 8K

https://www.displaydaily.com/article...8k-watch-in-8k

[Eye Candy]

Breathtaking Colors of Nature in REAL 8K HDR | TRAILER 2022 - YouTube

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

It's more of a pricing premium and lack of standardization than saying "8K has flopped".

And without software does anyone here really think it's more than a niche at this time?

agree. I think the biggest issue is too many here have myopic vision (or blinders on) when it comes to TV and are missing the evolving reality.

a long time ago the B&W CRT was invented and on the professional side it was sold for years as monitors before someone had the idea of a TV tuner and the consumer market was born and TVs hit the market that included a monitor, speakers, a TV tuner and no inputs. Then we had Color monitors on the professional side for years before color TVs =(color monitor, color TV tuner, no inputs) .Then the 70's 80s and TVs started including inputs on them like monitors. HD monitors on the professional side for years before HD TVs =(color monitor and color TV tuner and inputs). Then we got 4k monitors for a few year but then we got 4k content (digital or physical) so T for the first time we had TVs marketed as 4k with a tuner built in that could not take advantage of it, but they could not wait for 4k OTA TV content to show up because the other distribution methods where already there. Now for the first time we have 8k displays sold to the consumer side at the same time as 8k displays on the professional side sold as 8k TVs. IMHO at this point 8k is for a) "I need a TV now and I might as well pretend I will have what is needed when 8k content arrives" b) "I want something fancier (or if you are not the first - as fancy) then my neighbor.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Consumers have been trained for decades - you watch HD on an HDTV, you watch 4K on a 4K TV. Now they are being told you watch 4K on an 8K TV and it goes against what they have been doing for almost 25 years.

Mean while . . . TV OEMs are in a pickle. They want to sell 8K TVs but everyone says the same thing . . . there's no 8K content. They can't start slashing prices because what is going to be the next premium priced display? 12K? 16K?

So they are back peddling. Coming out with premium priced high performance 4K TVs because there's plenty of 4K content.

I don't agree with you I know plenty of people that bought content better then the display they had at the time when they started collecting as a way to future proof (i.e. one day I will have an HDTV/UHDTVTv so I will buy BD/UHD BD now). I also know there are a lot of people out there watching content that is lower resolution then the display.

It is not about going against what I learnt for 25 years but learning from History. If 8k cpontent would be fully compatible with 8k TVs then I would buy one today, but I am guessing (not that I watch it) but 8k streaming (assuming it happens) won't be compatible with today's 8k TVs and 8k physical media (assuming it happens) won't be compatible with todays 8k TVs.

I bought my first HDTV when ATSC hit my local market, when I bought my BD player I had to buy a new TV or the best I could watch is 1080i, but at least I was able to enjoy some HD on that first TV. I bought a display for UHD BD, but then I had to upgrade it because it was not to full specs of what came next.

If I needed a new display today maybe I would go with 8k in case it is compatible with future 8k content but I don't see a need to run out today and get rid of my current displays when I am assuming 8k content won't play nice enough with current 8k displays.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I don't agree with you I know plenty of people that bought content better then the display they had at the time when they started collecting as a way to future proof (i.e. one day I will have an HDTV/UHDTVTv so I will buy BD/UHD BD now). I also know there are a lot of people out there watching content that is lower resolution then the display.

It is not about going against what I learnt for 25 years but learning from History. If 8k cpontent would be fully compatible with 8k TVs then I would buy one today, but I am guessing (not that I watch it) but 8k streaming (assuming it happens) won't be compatible with today's 8k TVs and 8k physical media (assuming it happens) won't be compatible with todays 8k TVs.

I bought my first HDTV when ATSC hit my local market, when I bought my BD player I had to buy a new TV or the best I could watch is 1080i, but at least I was able to enjoy some HD on that first TV. I bought a display for UHD BD, but then I had to upgrade it because it was not to full specs of what came next.

If I needed a new display today maybe I would go with 8k in case it is compatible with future 8k content but I don't see a need to run out today and get rid of my current displays when I am assuming 8k content won't play nice enough with current 8k displays.

"I know people"

What if"

"Heres what I would do"

[nick4Knight]

8K is a niche product. Not the latest technology. Maybe in future that changes. But that's not a lock yet.

The argument I make often is SACD is how enthusiasts talked about audio being in future when they were early adopting. And that format went away, was never beyond niche phase. It was 'the latest', in fringe circles. But ultimately what won was digital/hi-res.

And not even really that is the case for the masses, right. They just consume whatever. Enthusiasts consume some mish mash of hi-res sources depending on their players/receivers/modes of playback.

8K has no roadmap. I don't think that's in dispute. 4K on the other hand did 100%... once it was in cinemas in that resolution for digital projection... the home was assured to be what manufacturers and studios operating in home video space wanted to follow and compete with. And it still took over 6 years later for that to really begin content rollout.

There is no 8K cinema rollout yet. Nothing I ever heard of suggesting mainstream adoption is in any future plans? So this signal from the past is not seen here in the now. Signals. Roadmaps. Not for nothing these things are NEEDED to get people truly excited by purported advancements. All the talk of processing power and picture quality is market speak. Even the enthusiast crowd, like compulsive early adopters who can't help themselves are not leaping in anymore.

Despite the sale figures largely it's been rejected from a path to 'market saturation'. Due to content I'd suggest. They definitely have pivoted to making sure the advancements now rooted in HDR and WCG are on 4K first as 4K is still the latest mainstream display technology platform.

People speaking like this in 2014 and 2015 about 4K were just in denial. Or didn't understand what HDR/WCG was. It read like ignorance writ large. That's the distinction in why I think most of us speaking this way are right about this time. We reached a ceiling.

I'm a futurist. So I'm not tethering my stance to forever. Again in far future like 5-10+ years there could be a seismic shift in all content distribution such as for wall screens and other technologies making a giant leap in quality that is beyond either 4K or 8K. Beyond resolution. I'm not saying 4K is all we have forever... I'm merely talking about the current paradigm. 8K streaming will be a niche at most. Second to 4K UHD disc. And by it's nature of needing to be compressed for bandwidth purpose will be worse than a disc format in terms of transparency-to-the-source. So that's a trade off to even adopt the bullish 8K streaming promise there is.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

"I know people"

What if"

"Heres what I would do"

why? you don't know someone, for example, that has watched a DVD on an HD or 4k display? is that why you are rolling your eyes?

[HDTV1080P]

An interesting read but might be a little off topic for this thread since its not about 8K.

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...-raysand-egypt

[puddy77]

Those with Samsung 8k displays will get to see 8k scenes and a trailer for the new Amazon LOTR show:https://news.samsung.com/global/sams...-to-life-in-8k

[LexInHD]

Originally Posted by puddy77

Those with Samsung 8k displays will get to see 8k scenes and a trailer for the new Amazon LOTR show:https://news.samsung.com/global/sams...-to-life-in-8k

That would explain the 8K footage indicator in the leaked post-production image that we saw some time ago.

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by puddy77

Those with Samsung 8k displays will get to see 8k scenes and a trailer for the new Amazon LOTR show:https://news.samsung.com/global/sams...-to-life-in-8k

Who do I have to sleep with to watch The Rings of Power in 4K on my 4K tv? Already have Prime.
And in HDR10?

EDIT: Google search helped.
There are 4K options for many Amazon programs, you must keep searching for them and not the 1080 streams. Turns out Rings of Power is available in DV, watching it that way. The two trees were magnificent yet brief.

[unberechenbar]

It'd be even more impressive if they could have the episodes available in 8K.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by LexInHD

That would explain the 8K footage indicator in the leaked post-production image that we saw some time ago.

Stuff is shot in 8K quite a lot these days. Not necessarily finished in, but shot at, especially if using RED cameras or derivatives thereof like the Panavision DXL2.

[Robert Zohn]

LG OLED Sales end Sept. 11.

77" Z2 8K Signature Series OLED TV -$3,000 so now $9,999.

[Staying Salty]

Originally Posted by puddy77

Those with Samsung 8k displays will get to see 8k scenes and a trailer for the new Amazon LOTR show:https://news.samsung.com/global/sams...-to-life-in-8k

8K THE FUTURE PROOFING ILLUSION! RINGS OF POWER 8K Q900B , Q800B - YouTube

[rachaeldeckard]

Originally Posted by puddy77

Those with Samsung 8k displays will get to see 8k scenes and a trailer for the new Amazon LOTR show:https://news.samsung.com/global/sams...-to-life-in-8k

Anyone can watch it here

Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power Exclusive 8K Trailer | Samsung - YouTube

[puddy77]

Originally Posted by rachaeldeckard

Anyone can watch it here


Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power Exclusive 8K Trailer | Samsung - YouTube

Thanks for sharing this! It gave me something unexpected when I played it on my Chromecast w/GTV. It's the first YouTube video I've ever seen with a 5.1 soundtrack. Sure, you can rent or buy actual movies on there that have 5.1. But I've never seen a free video on there with 5.1.