8K discussion thread

[nick4Knight]

Yes 8K is a thing, for upscaling content (they have inherently better chipsets for processing/algorithms). But it won't be for physical media is the contention by many. It would have to be an entirely new thing and it just seems so unlikely way the space is moving toward digital. 128GB is the cap for current efforts in realistic delivery of BD disc capacity.

Back in Blu-ray days we already knew that 66, 100, and 128 were capacities available in disc manufacture; just not used by the format. Which got used by UHD when that came along. There really is just no such pathway to suggest the same is true of a potential for 8K discs.

p.s I highly doubt in 7 years time even 1% of the western world will have 10Gbps internet. Most the 5G hype is optimistically touting 20Gbps as possible.... way down the line. 5G will not start at the full bandwidth for consumer plans. More like just delivering wired fibre equivalent (100Mbps, 250Mbps, 1Gbps type speed brackets) It will slowly get more each handful years but I'd be surprised if anyone but the rich of the rich can afford 5 or 10Gbps plans of 5G in 5, 7 or even 10 years time. Try doubling the estimate I read somewhere on this thread (can't find it) and maybe folks like us get 5Gbps plans at our disposal.

Which, yeah, would be easily enough to handle a demanding 8K disc quality stream, but would an 8K TV you buy now even handle the incoming signal at a high bitrate that would be? That's the catch. By then you'll need a new 8K TV just for 8K content which would be only things like documentaries, nature content, special events and maybe a handful of 8K scanned hollywood movies, if at all any...

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by BLMN

about 8K and the possibility of 3D in 4K res. I have 0 interest in glasses free technology so get the current one with glasses and make it right this time. also the fact that we don’t even have 4K broadcasted yet by major TV channels is another turn off and the rumors about the possibility of no physical media in 8k.

Broadcasters in 40 Largest U.S. TV Markets to Roll Out "Next-Gen TV" by 2021

Following years of development, the U.S.' "Next-Gen TV" broadcasting standard will start to roll out in the 40 largest TV markets by the end of 2020, a coalition of broadcast TV station groups announced Monday at the NAB Show in Las Vegas.

With deployment, the optional capabilities of this new standard — which include the ability to get an over-the-air TV signal on a cellphone without using a cellular service or data plans, as well as 4K, HDR and an emergency warning system — could be available on supported TV receivers, connected cars or mobile consumer devices including cellphones and tablets. As it is a voluntary system, each broadcaster would decide which capabilities of the new system it would offer to consumers.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/be...y-2021-1200217

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Let's face the hard facts, shall we? ATSC 3.0 will be mostly implemented with the least of the specs chosen and with hyper compression except in possibly the largest markets. It's DOA.

[Geoff D]

Aye, the words "voluntary system" are what gives the game away. "So we could do all this amazing new stuff with ultra high quality or we could use the extra bandwidth and better compression to shovel in even more cookery channels in barely HD quality. Hey, why change the habit of a lifetime!"

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Aye, the words "voluntary system" are what gives the game away. "So we could do all this amazing new stuff with ultra high quality or we could use the extra bandwidth and better compression to shovel in even more cookery channels in barely HD quality. Hey, why change the habit of a lifetime!"

OTA, satellite, and cable HD look like hot garbage, especially sports, here in the States. It's been this way for years. Quantity trumps quality every stinkin' time.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

OTA, satellite, and cable HD look like hot garbage, especially sports, here in the States. It's been this way for years. Quantity trumps quality every stinkin' time.

Sky in the UK is pretty damn good, and when I had it their live 4K stuff was really impressive.

[Wingman1977]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

For few more years ... and then ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-Ik...ature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4t3EG8Pnco

[LordoftheRings]

The state of the affairs ... today April 10, 2019 ... the day for the first time we saw a black hole ...

⊙ https://www.whathifi.com/amp/news/ul...ement-on-8k-tv

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

The state of the affairs ... today April 10, 2019 ... the day for the first time we saw a black hole ...

⊙ https://www.whathifi.com/amp/news/ul...ement-on-8k-tv

They certainly have a excellent example of reality vs blatant cash grab by marketing types in that linked article!

UHD Forum president Thierry Fautier added that widespread 8K adoption is a way off yet.

"8K is not at the same state of maturity as 4K, and not widely deployable without further development and advances in the ecosystem," he said in a statement. "Our immediate interest is in 4K and HD resolution-based services and technologies, but the Forum continues to monitor the development of 8K video as it may relate to television production and distribution, including leveraging 8K production and display technologies within a 4K distribution system."

8K might be a way off becoming standard, but it's certainly coming, and fast. After all, 8K TVs are already finding their way onto shop shelves - just check out our review of the Samsung QE85Q900R.

When are these TV manufacturers going to be honest and stop pitching 8K technology as coming fast?

[LordoftheRings]

That's exactly what they're saying. ...No 8K black hole's photos in there.

[Lee A Stewart]

Sony unveils giant 785in 16K display

If you think 8K is pretty advanced, feast your eyes on Sony's massive new 16K display.

With a length of 19.2m, it's longer than a bus, the BBC reports. And measuring 5.4m high, it's about as tall as a giraffe. It has 16 times as many pixels as a 4K TV, and 64 times that of an HD set.

Sadly, though, it's not for sale. It's being installed in a research centre belonging to Japanese cosmetics firm Shiseido in Yokohama, south of Tokyo. It's so large it will span two floors and show content specially created by Sony.

The display uses Sony's Crystal LED tech, the Japanese firm's take on Micro LED. It doesn't need a backlight, and claims to go much brighter than OLED while still delivering similar black levels.

[JohnAV]

^ Thats close to a 3.5:1 aspect ratio with a 63' x 17' screen (16640 x 4680), who would ever use that compared to 2.41.1 which is about the widest content you ever see in a cinema?

Had to ask!

For most 16:9 displays a 16K TV would be using 15360 × 8640 instead.

[gkolb]

With custom content via Sony, doesn’t sound like Lawrence or The River Kwai will be on the playlist soon, or ever.

[DJR662]

Damn, how I wish Sony would hurry up and introduce their first commercial MicroLED TVs. I really can't wait for that tech to go mainstream!

[Fendergopher]

Nice to see them using MicroLED tech. The resolution itself is probably the least interesting thing about it.

[Agent Kay]

Said for years CLED is the saviour.

[spider-neil]

I'm all for technology that is;
Brighter than Oled
Has the ability to turn off pixels (infinite contrast)
No chances of burn like LCD

That's the dream.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

Said for years CLED is the saviour.

This was 7 years ago:



I would have preferred Sony to fully concentrate on MicroLED instead of going with OLED. Perhaps then we would have seen CLED in stores already. Maybe we'll be seeing something at CES next year?

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by DJR662

This was 7 years ago:



I would have preferred Sony to fully concentrate on MicroLED instead of going with OLED. Perhaps then we would have seen CLED in stores already. Maybe we'll be seeing something at CES next year?

That was when I first got hyped.
Buy I hope it does not die a death like SXRD did, marginilised and not a home format bar a few projectors.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

That was when I first got hyped.
Buy I hope it does not die a death like SXRD did, marginilised and not a home format bar a few projectors.

Actually, that would work for me personally. SXRD has always been there for the entire line of Sony home cinema front projectors (I think those rear projection TVs from back then were never meant to be anyway). Should CLED go down the same route (which I doubt), it would be mainstream enough for me.