8K discussion thread

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

@FilmFreakosaurus, if you are referring to the 4,000 Nits peak luminance Sony has several reasons why they are not employing these advanced technologies on the current 4K TVs.

1st when I spoke with Sony I strongly urged them to make the 8K the very best it could be so the high-end consumer market will have compelling reasons to buy a 8K TV.

2nd is the cost and power consumption, it takes a lot of power to light-up 33 million pixels on a 85" and larger display with high luminance.

So it's not practical for the main stream or even the high-end 4K TV market.

For the 8K TVs the manufacturers wanted to pull out all of the stops and deliver an exceptional picture quality that would wow the most discerning enthusiasts.

That's all well and good Robert but when you boil it all down, the new 8K TVs only have more pixels . . . not better pixels. They are still 10 bit panels. So their WCG is no better than a premium 4K TV. So what's the compelling reason(s) to buy a current 8K TV? They are bigger than current 4K TV? They will make your UHD-BDs look slightly better (as long as the images stay static)? How about that power consumption? Or the prices? How do those two issues become compelling reasons to buy?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

@Vilya, yes once we can get enough we'll have one on display in our showroom and one for my family room at home!

@DJR662, 4K HDR looks stunning on any of the new 8K TVs and is a vey nice upgrade from any of the 4K TVs. 8K becomes most important on the larger screen sizes, 85"+.

I'd be happy to own some of what you already have! It must be a lot of fun having such access to all of this wonderful technology.

As for 8K displays, I am keeping an open mind. I am looking forward to someday getting to see them for myself. I live in a rather economically depressed rural area, so I will likely have to travel some distance to see one.

[Robert Zohn]

@Lee A Stewart, the advantages of owning a new 8K TV vs, the best available 4K TVs are:

- Larger screen sizes

- Better backlight systems

- Higher Peak luminance with better color volume and delivering the full dynamic tonal range with no clipping or crushing.

- Beter video processing

You have to see these new 8K TVs in person to appreciate the exceptional image quality.

We'll also have the ability to buy a 8K HDR consumer camera by Q1 2020 to create our own native 8K HDR content.

[kristoffer]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

@Lee A Stewart, the advantages of owning a new 8K TV vs, the best available 4K TVs are:

- Larger screen sizes

- Better backlight systems

- Higher Peak luminance with better color volume and delivering the full dynamic tonal range with no clipping or crushing.

- Beter video processing

You have to see these new 8K TVs in person to appreciate the exceptional image quality.

We'll also have the ability to buy a 8K HDR consumer camera by Q1 2020 to create our own native 8K HDR content.

I highly doubt we will see 8K HDR consumer cameras in Q1 2020! The iphone still can't record HDR and almost no mirroless can do it either and here we are talking 4K resolution.

[Blu350z]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

Why do you think 8K will make a difference on 55 inch screen?

This stuff is getting silly. The next thing will be 16K.

Well depends the Q900r can do 4000 nits and if a brave enough soul is using it close enough as a computer monitor then I say yes.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by Blu350z

Well depends the Q900r can do 4000 nits and if a brave enough soul is using it close enough as a computer monitor then I say yes.

How are nits related to 8K resolution? BTW, I'm in favor of higher nit displays. I see that as more useful than imperceivable 8K resolution. Anyway, who uses 55 inch sets as computer monitors and to watch what? I do have my suspicions as to what they would be watching and not its not Excel or Powerpoint documents.

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by kristoffer

I highly doubt we will see 8K HDR consumer cameras in Q1 2020! The iphone still can't record HDR and almost no mirroless can do it either and here we are talking 4K resolution.

Sharp showed a working prototype at NAB in April 2018 with an expected mass production ship date of Q1 2020. I hope to be a BETA tester.

[JohnAV]

Forecast Become Gloomier for Korean 8K TVs - BusinessKorea

A forecast on the 8K TV market led by Korean TV makers such as Samsung Electronics and LG Electronics has been lowered for the third time this year. The 8K TV sales forecast for this year were less than half of last year’s and dropped by one-quarter from a year ago.

In the meantime, the ongoing economic conflict between Korea and Japan triggered by a court ruling for compensations for Koreans who suffered from forced labor by the Japanese government during the Japanese occupation of Korea is likely to give a setback to Korean companies' 8K TV promotion strategies.

Worldwide 8K TV sales would total 215,000 this year, market research firm IHS Markit forecast on July 14. The figure is a drop of 30.4 percent from an estimated 309,000 units in April of last year and about half of the October 2018 forecast of 430,000 units. The figure fell 72.4 percent from a year ago. As has been pointed out, despite 8K TVs’ outstanding quality, there are not many contents yet, so 8K TVs still have a long way to go in its popularization.

However, the 8K TV market is expected to grow rapidly beginning next year. Next year, 8K TV sales is projected to hit 853,900 units which are more than four times more than this year’s. The figure will be 1,794,000 in 2021, 2,832,000 in 2022, and 3,739,900 in 2023. The proportion of 8K TVs in the total TV market is expected to grow to 1.62 percent in 2023, even though they are expected to accounts for 0.09 percent this year.

[sapiendut]

8K TVs at the current form is plainly foolish. When there is no content, no delivery standard, having 8K is pointless. The other refinements (such as high nit capability) on an 8K TV should have been made available in premium 4K TVs instead

[Blu350z]

I just got a confirmation that the Samsung TVs with the One Connect boxes 8K Q900 and 4K Q90 have the video processing in the One Connect box. Those TVs have only the sensors for the ambient lighting and board controlling the speaker.

[Brian81]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

@Lee A Stewart, the advantages of owning a new 8K TV vs, the best available 4K TVs are:

- Larger screen sizes

- Better backlight systems

- Higher Peak luminance with better color volume and delivering the full dynamic tonal range with no clipping or crushing.

- Beter video processing

You have to see these new 8K TVs in person to appreciate the exceptional image quality.

We'll also have the ability to buy a 8K HDR consumer camera by Q1 2020 to create our own native 8K HDR content.

I am not seeing how any these would be exclusive benefits to a 8K display. All of these things (better processor, lighting) could be added to a 4K display and have been improved year to year. Only if the industry forced obsolescence should it matter as features shoupd trickle down. Also, has there ever been a point in the past where exact 1:1 pixel ratio has been less desirable than upscaling?

[Agent Kay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcUv...ature=youtu.be

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by Brian81

I am not seeing how any these would be exclusive benefits to a 8K display. All of these things (better processor, lighting) could be added to a 4K display and have been improved year to year. Only if the industry forced obsolescence should it matter as features shoupd trickle down. Also, has there ever been a point in the past where exact 1:1 pixel ratio has been less desirable than upscaling?

Although your statement is 100% true, the real world is different.

You can't get any TV that will delivery 4,000 nits peak luminance or the best LED backlight system unless you buy a Sony Z9G 8K TV. This is the first and only time a consumer TV's image displays the full dynamic tonal range and 100% of the color volume of HDR streamed or BD physical media.

You can't get the state-of-the-art video processing unless you buy a LG or Sony 8K TV.

Most importantly you must see these new TV in person to appreciate the exceptional picture quality. Every well respected professional TV reviewer is touting the same message.

I understand and agree that 8K by itself has little value, but the manufacturers took the good advice to make these new 8K flagship TV the best they can be and that's the simple truth.

[Fendergopher]

The 8K resolution part of the equation is still more or less redundant and arbitrary, it really is only there to appear competitive with the other big players. If Samsung didn't launch an 8K flagship I doubt Sony and LG would be. Literally what segment of consumers were asking for 8K displays?

Would I scoff if someone offered to give me an 8K display? Absolutely not. Would I buy one as my main display? God no, not even if I could afford one.

[sapiendut]

While I drool over the Sony 8K display, everytime I see the Sammy 8K my reaction is “meh” b

[Agent Kay]

Yeah that samsung is ONN level

[sapiendut]

I don’t understand what you mean.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

I don’t understand what you mean.

ONN refers to Walmarts generic brand label of lower priced alternatives instead of better brand names for Canada, the US, and UK marketplaces. Maybe he's is trying to demean Samsung's stellar reputation for producing top quality goods? In simply terms a another "meh" to your comment.

[Agent Kay]

No I was saying that calling the Sammy Meh is just as stupid as comparing it to an own brand tv

[DJR662]

I have zero interest in 8K itself, but chances are that I might end up with one just the same. Not because I want to, but because the next Sony I buy will probably be a 8K model...