The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[1924]

Hobbit movies are definitely not shitty. The first two in particular are very good


Also, Jackson said he would like to make changes but he also said he would still want the original version available, nothing like Lucas with how he tries to bury the original versions

[kidglov3s]

It seems like we need a poll to establish whether or not the garbage Hobbit movies are indeed garbage.

[stvn1974]

I enjoy the extended Hobbit films but they are not on the same level as LOTR.

[happydood]

Originally Posted by veritas

The hobbit movies do have a lot of shitty parts honestly. They are still decent movies but they could have been so much better. Part of the problem is they wanted to make an action movie when really the hobbit isn't an action story. The hobbit was a very light adventure/coming of age story with a decent dose of comedy (the dwarves aren't fighters they are greedy bankers and it shows in almost all the good funny lines in the book). I would say the hobbit movies are OK movies but they aren't very good adaptations.

I think the problems are A) virtually no pre-production time and B) their lack of trust in the source material in terms of thinking the story was too male-centric. It absolutely is for the kind of mainstream film they were trying to make, but imagine how much more impact the already wonderful female characters in LOTR would have if there had been no Tauriel to basically hit a lot of what makes them so magical before they got there. I'm torn because I love the production design, the music and most of the acting. Martin Freeman is a treasure. But I really wish they had been two movies.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

The Hobbit's issue is that the original short novel required a lighter touch and one thing Peter Jackson is not known for is... a lighter touch (he's bombastic in almost everything he does). The story wasn't LOTR and was more geared towards the wonder of young people journeying out on an adventure into the wilds.

If Jackson (or someone else) had gone for that vibe and kept it at one longer movie, we might have had something.

[1924]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

I enjoy the extended Hobbit films but they are not on the same level as LOTR.

I don't think anyone says they are



But I find them good in their own right and worthy companion s

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by happydood

I think the problems are A) virtually no pre-production time and B) their lack of trust in the source material in terms of thinking the story was too male-centric. It absolutely is for the kind of mainstream film they were trying to make, but imagine how much more impact the already wonderful female characters in LOTR would have if there had been no Tauriel to basically hit a lot of what makes them so magical before they got there. I'm torn because I love the production design, the music and most of the acting. Martin Freeman is a treasure. But I really wish they had been two movies.

No one makes just two movies about anything anymore.


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[levcore]

I love both The Hobbit trilogy and The Lord of the Rings trilogy.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by rexcrk

First of all, the Hobbit movies aren't shitty. I don't know how the bandwagon got started on Hobbit-hate, but it's really annoying. A lot of the complaints people make about those movies could also be applied to the LotR movies.

Second, even if he DID make changes to LotR to go with The Hobbit, at least the original cuts are still available in a high-quality format.

Not like George Lucas... at all.

Yes they are shitty. We cannot make the same complaints because LOTR is over a 1000 pages, Hobbit was the embodiment of corporate greed turning a 300 page book into a 9 hour trilogy. It's disgusting. Half the shit wasn't even in the book.

The hobbit has a completely different tone than LOTR and he tried to connect them. It may have been better if he kept it at 2 movies like GDT was going to do, but the only entertaining movie was the 2nd one. Part 3 was one of the worst movie's I've seen in the theaters.

Plus the entire look of it from the frame rate to the overreliance on green screen was gross

[imsounoriginal]

Hobbit extended cuts, LOTR theatrical cuts. As a franchise, those six films are probably second only to James Bond for me. Hobbits have their flaws but the positives still HUGELY outweigh the negatives. Love me some Middle Earth.

[rexcrk]

Originally Posted by flyry

Yes they are shitty. We cannot make the same complaints because LOTR is over a 1000 pages, Hobbit was the embodiment of corporate greed turning a 300 page book into a 9 hour trilogy. It's disgusting. Half the shit wasn't even in the book.

Goddddddd here we go. Have you read the book? Do you realize how boring the movies would have been if they stayed 100% true to it? We wouldn't have even seen the final battle.

Plus, a lot of the stuff that's in the movies that wasn't in the book is stuff Tolkien wrote or wrote about after the fact.

The LotR movies took a lot more liberties with they're source material.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by rexcrk

Goddddddd here we go. Have you read the book? Do you realize how boring the movies would have been if they stayed 100% true to it? We wouldn't have even seen the final battle.

Plus, a lot of the stuff that's in the movies that wasn't in the book is stuff Tolkien wrote or wrote about after the fact.

The LotR movies took a lot more liberties with they're source material.

Of course I read the book. Azog was only mentioned 1 or 2 times, he's not even In it. Now they have him in Ready Player One like he's some type of iconic baddie. It's a joke.

I can't imagine watching the extended. I'm not sure what other stuff that's not in the book they could have inserted.

When I'm over it I will watch the 4 hour fan edit that stays true to the book.

[imsounoriginal]

I'm glad we didn't get a straight adaptation. The Hobbit book isn't that good, Jackson improved it. The movie trilogy is messy, but it's better.

Said this before, I'll say it again. The movie trilogy isn't meant to be an adpatation of the book. It uses the book as a framework for a larger story about Middle Earth in the time before LOTR. The theatrical cuts are an imperfect balance between a shorter "book" cut and the extended cuts. The latter is the best (and frankly, ONLY) way The Hobbit is worth watching, mainly because of how much critical material is put back into Battle of the Five Armies.

[imsounoriginal]

But the intention was never to take The Hobbit and make a straight adaptation out of it, so there's no point holding that against the movies.

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

The Hobbit book isn't that good, Jackson improved it.

[imsounoriginal]

It's really not. Thought it sucked when I was a kid, still think it sucks as an adult. It's a kids fairy tale, not a rousing fantasy epic. It HAD to be changed substantially for the big screen.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

It's really not. Thought it sucked when I was a kid, still think it sucks as an adult. It's a kids fairy tale, not a rousing fantasy epic. It HAD to be changed substantially for the big screen.

If that's truly your opinion then you are in the minority dude. You are so far in the minority that you sound like you are trolling. Its like going into a harry potter forum and saying the harry potter books suck. You can have your opinion but just know your in the .1%

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by veritas

If that's truly your opinion then you are in the minority dude. You are so far in the minority that you sound like you are trolling. Its like going into a harry potter forum and saying the harry potter books suck. You can have your opinion but just know your in the .1%

I'm not trolling, I hope people here know me well enough by now to know that lol. I love these Middle Earth movies and I love LOTR as a book. But Hobbit was never my thing, and I never understood the love for it.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

It's really not. Thought it sucked when I was a kid, still think it sucks as an adult. It's a kids fairy tale, not a rousing fantasy epic. It HAD to be changed substantially for the big screen.

Everything they added was pretty much universally disliked and everything they cut always seemed like a wasted oppertunity. The barrel fight was stupid but it would have been nice to see the musical numbers as bilbo messes with the spiders or the orcs cook the dwarves in the trees. The added badguy made no sense he was just sort of randomly hunting a bunch of penniless dwarves with no way of tracking them or knowing where they wanted to go. Basically everything the guy added to the movie created plot holes.

They took out basically all the original humor in the books as none of the 14 are adventures. It was a comedy with 13 bankers and a trust fund kid signing on for an adventure. We would then see how the journey changed Bilbo but the hobbit was never a fantasy epic it was more like a coming of age musical.

[darkness2918]

Originally Posted by veritas

Everything they added was pretty much universally disliked and everything they cut always seemed like a wasted oppertunity. The barrel fight was stupid but it would have been nice to see the musical numbers as bilbo messes with the spiders or the orcs cook the dwarves in the trees. The added badguy made no sense he was just sort of randomly hunting a bunch of penniless dwarves with no way of tracking them or knowing where they wanted to go. Basically everything the guy added to the movie created plot holes.

They took out basically all the original humor in the books as none of the 14 are adventures. It was a comedy with 13 bankers and a trust fund kid signing on for an adventure. We would then see how the journey changed Bilbo butthe hobbit was never a fantasy epic it was more like a coming of age musical.

Thank god it was changed then cause that's not a movie I would've seen or liked at all. I tried reading The Hobbit so many times & never finish it cause honestly like someone else already said, it's a boring book. I love the movies however just like I love the LotR movies & I'm glad Jackson made the changes he did.