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Originally Posted by HAL9K
If that's what you'd like to believe to feel better. Comparing the scenes you speak about, there is still a very obvious green tint. And the answer to "previously monochrome grey-blue have deep shades of red, green, and brown" is very simple. Everyone knows full well they went in and made changes, that's why there are those color differences you're talking about.
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Isn’t that interesting. In your original post responding to me (which you have since deleted), you stated how "There is also ZERO increased shades of red, green, and brown in the scene you speak of" and I was "100% incorrect about everything" I said, but now you seem to be admitting that there WERE the colour changes I talked about and that "they went in and made changes". Seems to me that not everyone knew full well about it
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Originally Posted by HAL9K
You're trying to say that the original theatrical release, when it was shown in theaters, was also shown with incorrect colors from an outdated and ugly transfer? Haha. Keep trying.
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Oh no. Oh no no NO. Not once have I talked about the how the original theatrical release looked like, if it came across that I was then I’m sorry you interpreted it that way. The "outdated and ugly transfer" is the home video telecine OF what would have been shown in theatres back in 2001, not the theatrical release itself.
Unlike its two sequels, 'The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring' did NOT have a final Digital Intermediate, according to the Director of Photography Andrew Lesnie about 60%-80% of the final film had gone through a digital intermediate (around that % IIRC) while the remaining footage was either photochemically graded or just put straight on the interpositive. Since there was never a final DI, the release for DVD/VHS was a scan of the interpositive. And this same scan (which I have criticised so far) was used for all versions of the film up until the EE Blu-ray release, Which was sourced from the Digital Intermediate and the Original Camera Negative. TTT and TROTK never had this problem since they were finished entirely on a Digital Intermediate which was then directly used for all the releases (and yes I acknowledge that there are *slight* differences between their DVD/BDs and EE/TE which is probably just minor colour correction or video encoding differences).
There’s no way in hell the FOTR transfer seen on the EE DVD (which I am looking at right now) resembled the colours or contrast of what was projected in theatres. Academy Award winning cinematography which was shot and presented mainly using various film stocks does NOT look like flat-contrast pinky blue video. I’d go as far as to say that parts of the Extended Edition DVD look like a home video, as if it was shot on a camcorder.
I’d like to take you up on your offer of me providing time frames for screenshots which you seem to have omitted in your second-attempt post (why?).
FYI I am sitting directly in front of my TV where I have two Panasonic Blu-ray players connected to it with identical picture settings on both inputs. One player has The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring Extended Edition Disc one Blu-ray in it, the other has Disc one of the its Extended Edition DVD counterpart from the box set (I’m just using Disc one because it’s all I’ll need to make the point).
Let’s start at the very start, literally two seconds in.
00:00:03 - I know some would argue at this point the film hasn’t even *started* yet but it’s just before the New Line Cinema logo appears. On the EEBD it is more purple-blue whereas on the EEDVD it is GREEN.
Chapter 2 - concerning Hobbits. This scene was great for comparisons since it’s an extended scene with a shoddy transfer on the DVD.
00:09:07 - DVD has a rather flat contrast with slightly washed out cooler greens
BD has a much higher contrast and verges much more on yellow, almost looking golden
Chapter 3 - shire footage so again similar to the previous one.
00:10:24 - looks green on DVD, looks yellow/green on Blu-ray. Not sure how a "green tint" would result in this...
00:11:50 - another shot which again is less green and much more yellow, looks much more like afternoon which it probably should be
00:12:01 - have a go explaining this disaster on the DVD. The whole image seems to have been pushed to oversaturated Bright fluorescent green and oversaturated yellow. It’s like a cartoon. BD has a much warmer toned down look with nuanced greens. Are you trying to that the image on the DVD is what would have been shown in theatres?!
00:12:16 - another case of bland cheap looking video on the DVD, and a rich warmth to the Blu-ray
00:15:16 - DVD looks more pink-tinted, more green on Blu-ray (and I’m in no way saying that a lot of the BD DOESN'T look less green, just that it isn’t uniform or an error)
Skip ahead to Chapter 8
00:32:10 - a shot which is LESS green on the Blu-ray, in fact it’s more blue.
00:33:01 - looks pretty much identical on both versions
Chapter 10
00:36:18 - this is the shot I was saying which looks LESS green on the Blu-ray. Just compare the visible walls on Bag End. Also the compression on the DVD... yuck!
Chapter 11
00:45:10 - another shot where the differences can’t be explained by a "green tint" and the Blu-ray is clearly a MUCH better transfer.
Chapter 13
00:51:43 - BD is more yellow and a much better transfer
Chapter 19
01:11:24 - a dramatic difference in colour. Much more orange on what was previously pink.
01:21:03 - hobbits now have colour on their faces in BD
01:14:18 - BD has much brighter more saturated orange (and it looks great!)
Chapter 20
01:15:22 - another shot which is so clearly LESS green on the Blu-ray than the DVD.
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I think I’ve gone on enough for now. I do believe that parts of the colours on the 2011 edition would have been revised or altered, possibly out of necessity. However it looks much closer and much more film like than the DVD's colours which I have argued are a further departure from how the film would have originally looked.
If you want to cling on to the nostalgic video look of the Extended Edition DVD then by all means do that, but much like with films such as Raiders of the Lost Ark and Jurassic Park, there is absolutely no reason to think that what was made for Standard Definition CRTs is accurate to the theatrical release. Enjoy your compressed 480i Epic!
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