The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Illy Scorsese]

Originally Posted by 42041

Can you repost that? I can't find it.

I'm sorry I can't as I'm on my PS3 right now and not my computer... Hopefully someone else can pull it up for you!

But basically, what is supposed to be a blank white screen is now the color of the little girl's pea soup vomit in "The Exorcist".

I really cannot fathom how anyone can continue to act like everything is fine after that.

But sure enough, they're still around... lol

[Jeff B]

Originally Posted by Deviation

So. Much. Green.

It's crazy.

You can talk lol. (Joke!)

[singhcr]

If it's true that Peter Jackson has been contacted regarding the color timing of this release, I am very thankful indeed.

If the color is corrected, it will be a 5/5 reference release for a classic film and I'll buy it ASAP.

[frezaina]

Originally Posted by singhcr

If it's true that Peter Jackson has been contacted regarding the color timing of this release, I am very thankful indeed.

If the color is corrected, it will be a 5/5 reference release for a classic film and I'll buy it ASAP.

If it's corrected i will buy it too, otherwise i will wait for a perfect release.

[amoergosum]

Originally Posted by singhcr

If the color is corrected, it will be a 5/5 reference release for a classic film and I'll buy it ASAP.

Color & contrast please...then it's a 5/5 in my book.

[ckocher]

It shouldn't take Peter long to contact Andrew Lesnie about this because just like he was on the original three films, he is the DP for the Hobbit films, which they are both working on right now.

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by WorkShed

I also enjoy that some of the people who like it have now resulted to name-calling as their last line of defense by calling those that have a problem (and I have a problem with Taxi Driver in that it also has a major green push, although I wasn't vocal about it) nothing but whiny fanboys.

It's a common strategy people use when they don't have any solid evidence themselves to support their views.

"Argumentum ad hominem (argument directed at the person). This is the error of attacking the character or motives of a person who has stated an idea, rather than the idea itself."

"Straw man. This is the fallacy of refuting a caricatured or extreme version of somebody's argument, rather than the actual argument they've made....A carefully constructed straw man can sometimes entice an unsuspecting opponent into defending a silly argument that he would not have tried to defend otherwise."

The bottom line is people like being right despite all logic and evidence despite them.

[Kryptonic]

The amount of stupid going on in this thread is ridiculous.

[amoergosum]

Originally Posted by ckocher

It shouldn't take Peter long to contact Andrew Lesnie about this because just like he was on the original three films, he is the DP for the Hobbit films, which they are both working on right now.

Quote (Twitter):

"headgeek666 Harry Knowles
@BrianDuffield they're on break from active photography right now."

[Rustam15]

Let's say for the sake of argument this version is corrected. What then? They would obviously have us buy this version first, before any attempt to announce a new corrected release would ever be heard.

[42041]

Originally Posted by frezaina

there you have it, it was taken by myself:

http://postimage.org/image/2zaubxdpg/

Thanks. Gives me a good reference point for trying to dial it out.
Interestingly, it looks a lot more green on the Samsung 1080p TV I'm using as a computer monitor than my macbook screen. Computer display variation may be why some people aren't seeing problems.

[Petyr_Baelish]

After seeing the white screen, I admit that it needs to be fixed. But I still hate smilies.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Whether or not the new color timing is "Good" is certainly subjective, as is whether or not you prefer heavy DNR use (just look at the number of people who "preferred" the new ultra-DNR'ed predator) but it's hard to ignore the fact that a screen that was supposed to be solid, neutral white is now completely solid green.


I for one appreciate the large amount of detail increase in this release and the lack of excessive DNR use (something I complained about the first time around,) but I certainly wouldn't mind if they tweaked the color timing a bit. After all, a slight tweak to the color timing and it'd be perfect.


I've noticed that many of the same people that obsessively defended the quality theatrical BD release.... those that said the screenshots were a "lie" and the use of DNR was some sort of fabricated myth... are the same people who are now going out of their way to claim over and over again that there's nothing at all amiss with this new color timing. To me it seems as though as much as it's true there's no pleasing certain people it also seems equally true that there's no disappointing certain people. Apparently when they went on an on about how there's no improving the transfer, and that the excessive DNR use was some sort of conspiracy.... that's now out the window. I wonder that if (when?) Warner regrades the color those same people will develop selective amnesia again.

After all is said and done this probably isn't a deal breaker for me, I'm keeping my preorder. This isn't as egregious an error as the DNR was in the first release, in my opinion. That being said if Warner "fixed" it it would go a long ways towards building up customer goodwill and loyalty, at least it would in my case.

Originally Posted by Rustam15

Let's say for the sake of argument this version is corrected. What then? They would obviously have us buy this version first, before any attempt to announce a new corrected release would ever be heard.

Likely there would be some sort of exchange program.

[nathan_393]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Whether or not you prefer the new color timing is certainly subjective, as is whether or not you prefer heavy DNR use (just look at the number of people who "preferred" the new ultra-DNR'ed predator) but it's hard to ignore the fact that a screen that was supposed to be solid, neutral white is now completely solid green.


I for one appreciate the large amount of detail increase in this release and the lack of excessive DNR use (something I complained about the first time around,) but I certainly wouldn't mind if they tweaked the color timing a bit. After all, a slight tweak to the color timing and it'd be perfect.


I've noticed that many of the same people that obsessively defended the quality theatrical BD release.... those that said the screenshots were a "lie" and the use of DNR was some sort of fabricated myth... are the same people who are now going out of their way to claim over and over again that there's nothing at all amiss with this new color timing. To me it seems as though as much as it's true there's no pleasing certain people it also seems equally true that there's no disappointing certain people. Apparently when they went on an on about how there's no improving the transfer, and that the excessive DNR use was some sort of conspiracy.... that's now out the window. I wonder that if (when?) Warner regrades the color those same people will develop selective amnesia again.

After all is said and done this probably isn't a deal breaker for me, I'm keeping my preorder. This isn't as egregious an error as the DNR was in the first release, in my opinion. That being said if Warner "fixed" it it would go a long ways towards building up customer goodwill and loyalty, at least it would in my case.



Likely there would be some sort of exchange program.

So, a couple things.
I watched that clip with the green transition. After we get back to Rivendell and Frodo and Gandalf begin their discussion, the colours looked more natural to me. Obviously, the scene before was terrible for colours, but the next one didn't look as bad so I really don't know what they were doing.

As far as the DNR sort of thing, I was one of those people that said I didn't think it was DNR. And I'm still not sure I do. My theory has always been that the post-production colouring effects (that have now been removed and re-graded) were essentially "mirking" up the picture. My theory was that Lesnie and Jackson were experimenting and weren't too sure how to do it, plus I was wondering if they were facing budget restraints because it was the first film and New Line didn't know how well it would do yet.

So I thought that this colour grading was done poorly and created a soft image. The only reason I came to that conclusion is because FOTR has always been, to my eyes, soft.

Of course, right now, I'm eating my words a little bit because the new detail is tremendous. But I do wonder how much of that has to do with the fact that they got rid of the old colour grading.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by nathan_393

As far as the DNR sort of thing, I was one of those people that said I didn't think it was DNR. And I'm still not sure I do. My theory has always been that the post-production colouring effects (that have now been removed and re-graded) were essentially "mirking" up the picture. My theory was that Lesnie and Jackson were experimenting and weren't too sure how to do it, plus I was wondering if they were facing budget restraints because it was the first film and New Line didn't know how well it would do yet.

So I thought that this colour grading was done poorly and created a soft image. The only reason I came to that conclusion is because FOTR has always been, to my eyes, soft.

Of course, right now, I'm eating my words a little bit because the new detail is tremendous. But I do wonder how much of that has to do with the fact that they got rid of the old colour grading.

I'm sorry, but then you just don't know what excessive DNR application looks like.

If you compare the broadcast version to the original version there's no question what caused the loss of fine detail. What you're saying doesn't even make sense, regrading the color does not affect fine detail in that way... otherwise someone would've been able to take a cap from the theatrical BD, pop it into photoshop, adjust the color and have the fine detail reappear. You really don't get a more cut and dried case of DNR wiping fine detail than the first release. This release exhibiting heaps of restored detail only furthers it.
It was obvious the first time around the simply used the same transfer used to create the broadcast versions and added applied extra DNR to many portions of the film.

And like I said, whether or not you prefer this new color timing and thought the old was bad is certainly subjective, but that's obviously supposed to be a solid neutral white screen and it's obviously now inexplicably solid green because of the tweaked color. The same goes for certain scenes with heavy snow, it's hard to explain why the snow is now green when it was once white (as snow tends to be.) I didn't think the color timing of the original TE BD was perfect either, but this new release clearly has its issues.

[nathan_393]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

I'm sorry, but then you just don't know what excessive DNR application looks like.

If you compare the broadcast version to the original version there's no question what caused the loss of fine detail. What you're saying doesn't even make sense, regrading the color does not effect fine detail... otherwise someone would've been able to take a cap from the theatrical BD, pop it into photoshop, adjust the color and have the fine detail reappear. You really don't get a more cut and dried case of DNR wiping fine detail than the first release. This release exhibiting heaps of restored detail only furthers it.
It was obvious the firs time around the simply used the same transfer used to create the broadcast versions and added applied extra DNR to many portions of the film.

And like I said, whether or not you prefer this new color timing and thought the old was bad is certainly subjective, but that's obviously supposed to be a solid neutral white screen and it's obviously now inexplicably solid green because of the tweaked color. The same goes for certain scenes with heavy snow, it's hard to explain why the snow is now green when it was once white (as snow tends to be.) I didn't think the color timing of the original TE BD was perfect either, but this new release clearly has its issues.

I'm in agreement with you over the colour timing for this release. It won't bother me a lot come release day; I'll just be happy to have the film tbh. But it's not correct.

As far as the DNR goes, I am kind of nooby about these things. I just assumed that post-production grading had flattened out detail. It wouldn't be fixable by just re-tweaking the colours; you'd have to go to the original un-graded master to see the detail. That was my theory. Although I am a bit of a noob, as you have so graciously pointed out

[winoni71]

I pre-ordered it on Amazon.com from Italy, would I be able to take advantage of an eventual "Exchange program"?

[RYJAPE21]

Originally Posted by sutter

[nightcrawler]

I wouldn't be surprised if WB puts an embargo on reviews before the street date because of the (mostly) negative feedback in the forums! Personally, I have mixed opinions over this whole green tint issue. Going by the comparison screencaps from the TE & EE BD's, some of the scenes look better in the EEBD. Where it falls flat on it face though are scenes containing a lot of white - the aforementioned snow scenes, Saruman's beard etc - these are hard to defend.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by frezaina

If it's corrected i will buy it too, otherwise i will wait for a perfect release.

there is no such thing as perfect. so you will wait forever then.
And this release is almost close to perfect to begin with so why would they even change anything if nothing is wrong with it. We haven't even seen the PQ on a screen yet. Gezz