The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Karl Murks]

Originally Posted by gregmasciola

I agree that in that scene it's far less intrusive but Rivendell is supposed to have a red hue. The green cancels much of that out, making the image look dull and flat. Even without any reference my brain just wants to tell me that something is missing here.

About the rest of your images, logically a green tint in predominantly green scenes is not going to change much.

But that still doesn't change that there's several scenes where it's immensely intrusive. For me it's not so much the snow on the mountains that's the most objectionable but everything from Hobbiton. The tone of that sequence is completely obliterated by the green. It was supposed to be a joyful and happy place but now it's all dull and dreary and dark.

[amoergosum]

Originally Posted by Romansh

There are 7 frames total, from black to full brightness. Interestingly, the difference is most noticeable at the beginning of the fade in; once full brightness is reached the difference persists but is much less noticeable.

That's why underexposed scenes make it even worse.
Underexposure +green/cyan tint = a mess >>>

[Show spoiler]

[mishal]

Sorry if this has been asked before, but I need to know this:

FOTR has been remastered with the EE. What about TT and ROTK? Have they been remastered as well or they have the same transfer as the theatrical release + Extended scenes? Have the audio been improved on the 3 films as well?

[Karl Murks]

TTT and ROTK already existed as 2K digital masters so there was no need to redo anything.

[MEB]

Originally Posted by Romansh

This is a comparison between the theatrical edition vs the extended edition. Both have been converted to MP4 for frame-by-frame accuracy (but, as far as I can tell, look identical to the BD as viewed in XBMC 10.1).

It obviously comes from the end credits:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/60957

There are 7 frames total, from black to full brightness. Interestingly, the difference is most noticeable at the beginning of the fade in; once full brightness is reached the difference persists but is much less noticeable.

Very very interesting! The FOTR EE Blu-ray credits fade through a green tint as they are coming up to full brightness. The TE Blu-ray credits don't show this green tint.

But the interesting part is the green tint appears to go away as the credit reaches full brightness. Well, mostly it does go away....

HOWEVER... I measured the color of the fully bright credit text for the EE Blu-ray. The characters in "directed by" measure as grey in a green color space! They are far more grey than green (the green isn't visible) but they come up in a green color space nonetheless.

The larger characters in "Peter Jackson" measure as grey in a blue color space.

Why they are different is beyond me. But the fact that this stills were taken from a video (rather than directly from the discs) probably isn't helping the consistency.

So.... The EE Blu-ray end credits do display some level of green tint, if even for a short moment. The TE Blu-ray end credits don't display a similar tint.

Mark

[Cinemaddict]

I will make my final decision after the reviews really start pouring in. But right now, I do not anticipate buying LotR EE on Blu-ray. To quote King Theoden, how did it come to this?

[Mithrandir-Grey]

woo hoo mine came today. finally get to see if its worth all of this worry.

[CGHULK]

Here's more screenshots.
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/4457/71964857.jpg
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3449/49445786.jpg
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/3707/91499473.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2626/19552072.jpg
http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/4070/36234218.jpg
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/968/50106544.jpg

[Brodo Faggins]

Originally Posted by faerieoftheforest

woo hoo mine came today. finally get to see if its worth all of this worry.

Where did you order from?

[kingkong650]

Thought I should put this post by 42041 up again. For those of you that are new and haven´t been following this debate or even those currently defending the colour changes of fotr/right of PJ to change the colours of his film, it quite elegantly demonstrates why a lot of us are unhappy with the consistent green tint running throughout the fellowship of the ring extended edition blu-ray and believe it to be a mistake rather than a creative choice by Peter Jackson/Andrew Lesnie:

Using that white transition as a reference point, I put a bunch of screencaps in one image and applied the same white-balance to them.
I really get the feeling PJ's new color grading and the new teal coloration are separate phenomena.

original caps: http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/5...iginallotr.jpg
balanced to that white transition: http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/3...lancedlotr.jpg

original: http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/7521/originallotr2.jpg
balanced: http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/864/balancedlotr2.jpg

[kingkong650]

And this is the comparison between the extended edition fotr blu-ray and the theatrical edition fotr blu-ray that many considered the ´Smoking Gun`. Many of us were unhappy with the green tint but uncertain whether it ran throughout the fotr ee blu-ray or not, until we saw this comparison. The fade to white before Frodo wakes up in rivendell that has now become the fade to green in the fotr ee blu-ray:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/59025

[BleedingEdge]

Originally Posted by kingkong650

Thought I should put this post by 42041 up again. For those of you that are new and haven´t been following this debate or even those currently defending the colour changes of fotr/right of PJ to change the colours of his film, it quite elegantly demonstrates why a lot of us are unhappy with the consistent green tint running throughout the fellowship of the ring extended edition blu-ray and believe it to be a mistake rather than a creative choice by Peter Jackson/Andrew Lesnie:

Using that white transition as a reference point, I put a bunch of screencaps in one image and applied the same white-balance to them.
I really get the feeling PJ's new color grading and the new teal coloration are separate phenomena.

original caps: http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/5...iginallotr.jpg
balanced to that white transition: http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/3...lancedlotr.jpg

original: http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/7521/originallotr2.jpg
balanced: http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/864/balancedlotr2.jpg

Nice work. I have to say, once you remove the blanket green tint, the new color grading is quite excellent. Makes me wonder if someone's monitor was miscalibrated somewhere along the line. It's an honest error that I've seen done by the best, especially with digital projectors.

[Mithrandir-Grey]

Originally Posted by Brodo Faggins

Where did you order from?

planetaxel.com, they shipped last wednesday. it cost £70 which was the cheapest i could find that wasnt amazon and i didnt have to pay customs.

[Roy Batty]

Maybe I will eat my words further down the road, but the more I look at the many screencaps, the less I am inclined to accept that overwhelming, underexposed green layer as intentional.

It is not just that it's ugly, it's simply wrong and unprofessional.

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by Roy Batty

Maybe I will eat my words further down the road, but the more I look at the many screencaps, the less I am inclined to accept that overwhelming, underexposed green layer as intentional.

It is not just that it's ugly, it's simply wrong and unprofessional.

I absolutely agree. I don't work on projects near this scale, but I take an OCD level of quality control to anything that I put to disc or broadcast.

[Karl Murks]

Originally Posted by WorkShed

but I take an OCD level of quality control to anything that I put to disc or broadcast.

I'm working with computer software, and have pretty much the same attitude. Sadly, it's often a fight against windmills because the Powers That Be are insistent on cutting costs and rushing things through to save a tiny amount of money - and often it comes back with a vengeance costing them a lot more. Will they ever learn?

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by Karl Murks

I'm working with computer software, and have pretty much the same attitude. Sadly, it's often a fight against windmills because the Powers That Be are insistent on cutting costs and rushing things through to save a tiny amount of money - and often it comes back with a vengeance costing them a lot more. Will they ever learn?

There are times that I am not even on the clock because I want my name to mean something. I work in a small market and the tiny company I work for is still struggling to make an audience for ourselves, so our quality brand means everything. I've made changes that probably only I would actually notice, but it is SO important to me to make a product that lasts. I want to be able to look back at something and not be completely embarrassed at what I created.

I just wonder what would have happened with this release if New Line wasn't shut down and swallowed up by Warner Home Video.

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by Roy Batty

Maybe I will eat my words further down the road, but the more I look at the many screencaps, the less I am inclined to accept that overwhelming, underexposed green layer as intentional.

It is not just that it's ugly, it's simply wrong and unprofessional.

I'm perfectly fine if they do it to selected area within a frame or selected scenes where appropriate. But it seems like they just right-click on the film > "SELECT ALL" > "APPLY GREEN". I mean, maybe it's intentional but they're just very lazy in doing it that even the title is green?

[Mr. Cinema]

Before ordering, I'm going to wait until Peter Jackson or someone else from WB says "this is 100% exactly correct" regarding the green tint. There's plenty of other films to enjoy while we get an official answer.

[oreoshake]

Any idea what the difference will be between the US release and the Canadian Limited Edition will be?