The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

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Subjective assessments and comparisons to the shoddy TE really don't help my confidence laying down the cash for this.
I've always been quite sure that the green tint is something the eyes can adjust for in a few minutes. But would it look as good as a version without the green? For me the question isn't if the eyes compensate for it, but if its there, and if it's supposed to be there. Maybe that's being pedantic... but these discs ain't free.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by Ispoke

Why do you say they are 100% accurate when they are from an unknown source and posters with the BD's are saying different? BigDad over at AVS posted:

Because I've seen not one screen cap provided of those portions of the film without it. If those aren't 100% accurate why can't one person with a good "disc," of the hundreds of people here who have or will have this release in the very near future, just grab those frames and put it to rest?

The same exact thing happened with the DNR in the TE. The caps bothered me... at first people were saying the caps were a lie, it was some type of "conspiracy," those talking about their early copies weren't bothered at all and many claimed the DNR was visibly absent. No one could produce any caps of those corresponding portions without the glaringly obvious DNR, though. I got mine and sure enough there it was, it was a completely lackluster presentation. Now that this new EE release is out there those claiming the TE was free of DNR overuse are nearly completely silent on the subject, now it's assumed to be obvious and people have instead moved on to arguing over the presence or absence of the consistent green bias.

It seems to me like it could be rinse, lather, and repeat with this whole green tint issue.

[Dalsk]

Sorry to repost this, but I can't read the 270th page of the thread.
Am I the only one?

[jerzdawg]

Originally Posted by Dalsk

Sorry to repost this, but I can't read the 270th page of the thread.
Am I the only one?

Nope, if I click on 270 it brings me to page 269

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by Dalsk

Sorry to repost this, but I can't read the 270th page of the thread.
Am I the only one?

You are missing out because let me tell you, that page is a real thrill.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Because I've seen not one screen cap provided of those portions of the film without it. If those aren't 100% accurate why can't one person with a good "disc," of the hundreds of people here who have or will have this release in the very near future, just grab those frames and put it to rest?

The same exact thing happened with the DNR in the TE. The caps bothered me... at first people were saying the caps were a lie, it was some type of "conspiracy," those talking about their early copies weren't bothered at all and many claimed the DNR was visibly absent. No one could produce any caps of those corresponding portions without the glaringly obvious DNR, though. I got mine and sure enough there it was, it was a completely lackluster presentation. Now that this new EE release is out there those claiming the TE was free of DNR overuse are nearly completely silent on the subject, now it's assumed to be obvious and people have instead moved on to arguing over the presence or absence of the consistent green bias.

It seems to me like it could be rinse, lather, and repeat with this whole green tint issue.

I know what you mean. Feels like dejavu from the TE thread which I hope is not the case.

[Ispoke]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

I asked a similar question a week back or so, the response I got had something to do with pictures being worth more than words or something close to that.

I find it funny when some posters seem to ignore posters who claim to have the discs and have offer words that differ from their opinion; but the moment someone comes along and claims to have the discs and offers words that back their opinion they quote it like it's the only truth.

A balance needs to be found between all the reviews/comments out there and the screenshots. How much weight an individuals gives to one or the other will/can/should vary based on a plethora of things; but it would be nice to keep some consistency.

At this point, I feel we still have too many conflicting reports to make a solid decision (that said I'm still keeping my pre-order and will chime in with my thoughts once I have the discs in hand )

Completely concur with your comments. I am in the same boat as you and cannot make any judgement as unfortunately I have not received my set yet Hopefully the ‘green’ will not be evident on my setup.

[vidjunkie]

Originally Posted by shamus

Or more likely there never was a problem to begin with. Yes, some tweaked colors, but not the green mess that internet hysteria had led us to believe... Some will see more or less green depending on their calibration.

Of course this is just my opinion without owning it yet. Two different versions would be unlikely, but sure would make things a lot more interesting!

And I agree with you, because it is HIGHLY unlikely there is a separate release for the UK LMAO, some of the comments in this thread, and the Star Wars thread, and the Indy thread, just crack me up, I can't wait to see these myself personally on my own set up, then, and only then, will I judge them, really wish others could do the same, OH well, but this is an internet forum, and it will bring out all kinds.

[Rustam15]

Looks like the price went down a little! YAY!!! Now I feel slightly better.

[Ispoke]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Because I've seen not one screen cap provided of those portions of the film without it. If those aren't 100% accurate why can't one person with a good "disc," of the hundreds of people here who have or will have this release in the very near future, just grab those frames and put it to rest?
The same exact thing happened with the DNR in the TE. The caps bothered me... at first people were saying the caps were a lie, it was some type of "conspiracy," those talking about their early copies weren't bothered at all and many claimed the DNR was visibly absent. No one could produce any caps of those corresponding portions without the glaringly obvious DNR, though. I got mine and sure enough there it was, it was a completely lackluster presentation. Now that this new EE release is out there those claiming the TE was free of DNR overuse are nearly completely silent on the subject, now it's assumed to be obvious and people have instead moved on to arguing over the presence or absence of the consistent green bias.

It seems to me like it could be rinse, lather, and repeat with this whole green tint issue.

Understand where you are comming from, but maybe they do not have the equipment necessary or time to do captures. They no doubt will appear in due course.

I have some doubt that once they do appear that will be the end of the story somehow

[Roy Batty]

Originally Posted by Ispoke

Why do you say they are 100% accurate when they are from an unknown source and posters with the BD's are saying different?

Now I know it's subjective, but pratically all the poster with the actual BD's are saying similar things, or don't their views count for anything

Originally Posted by Velmeran

I asked a similar question a week back or so, the response I got had something to do with pictures being worth more than words or something close to that.

I find it funny when some posters seem to ignore posters who claim to have the discs and have offer words that differ from their opinion; but the moment someone comes along and claims to have the discs and offers words that back their opinion they quote it like it's the only truth.

A balance needs to be found between all the reviews/comments out there and the screenshots. How much weight an individuals gives to one or the other will/can/should vary based on a plethora of things; but it would be nice to keep some consistency.

At this point, I feel we still have too many conflicting reports to make a solid decision (that said I'm still keeping my pre-order and will chime in with my thoughts once I have the discs in hand )

I for one am well aware that most people won't even notice anything new, different or wrong about the new transfer, simply because most people are not very discriminating consumers whose eyes and ears are not very well trained to assess audiovisual quality, and, ultimately, because they don't care.

Add to that that people here who, just from their being here reading and posting, I would consider more concerned and discriminating about those issues, have stated repeatedly that they are ok with the screencaps showing a very, very strong green push, as well as a contrasty, black-crushed look with some kind of hazy veil that sucks the light out of many shots. Some have gone even further and are saying that they actually like the new transfer better and they consider it an improvement over the previous look. All that, I insist, from looking at the same screencaps that have me in a state of baffled incredulity.

But, as it has been pointed out on this thread, there were many people too complaining about the complaints over the first GLADIATOR transfer, or the first GANGS OF NEW YORK transfer, or the THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING transfer. Or even the PREDATOR transfer. And they called us "whiners" and "naysayers" and what have you, time and time again, because, well, those transfers were great and nothing to worry about.

So, to sum it up:

- Most people won't notice or even care about any changes or problems
- Of those who should care, some are posting here their satisfaction with the same screencaps I despise
- There were many before who were just fine with botched-up transfers

Therefore, I am led to believe that, most likely, some of the reviewers who are assessing the actual discs, acknowledging the changes in the new transfer but stating that those changes are not such a big deal and nothing to worry about, are looking at a transfer that, to my eyes, will show a LOT to worry about.

At this moment, the only evidence I have (misleading as it may be) are the many screencaps comparisons posted, which, to my eyes, show plenty of reason for concern.

No matter how many reviews arise, telling one tale or the other, I am afraid I can only trust my own judgement whenever I have the chance to lay my eyes on the actual discs.

[ckenisell]

Originally Posted by ckenisell

I pre-ordered from wbshop.com several months ago when they ran that sale and I received a UPS tracking number 3 days ago. However, when I check the tracking number, it just shows that the shipping order has been placed, but that the product has not been received by UPS.

I've seen online merchants do this the day before it ships, but I've never seen a merchant place a shipping order and then not give the product to the shipper until 3 or 4 days later.

For those that have wbshop.com experience, what is the norm when it comes their shipping methods? This is the first order I placed with them and I'm kinda wishing I would have just ordered it from amazon.

Anybody?

[ckenisell]

I believe that, even if WB did screw up on this color issue, WB will never acknowledge it, nor will they ever do anything about it.

I'm still waiting to hear something back on the latest Harry Potter BD release that was botched. Still no fix for that.

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by ckenisell

I believe that, even if WB did screw up on this color issue, WB will never acknowledge it, nor will they ever do anything about it.

I'm still waiting to hear something back on the latest Harry Potter BD release that was botched. Still no fix for that.

WB has a disc replacement for 'The Matrix: Revolutions' which has one frame that is a little pixelated, and almost nobody ever even noticed it, so I think there is a pretty good chance for this one.

Like I've said before, if this is how they intended it to be, surely they would have come out and said so by now.

[Ispoke]

Originally Posted by Roy Batty

I for one am well aware that most people won't even notice anything new, different or wrong about the new transfer, simply because most people are not very discriminating consumers whose eyes and ears are not very well trained to assess audiovisual quality, and, ultimately, because they don't care.

Add to that that people here who, just from their being here reading and posting, I would consider more concerned and discriminating about those issues, have stated repeatedly that they are ok with the screencaps showing a very, very strong green push, as well as a contrasty, black-crushed look with some kind of hazy veil that sucks the light out of many shots. Some have gone even further and are saying that they actually like the new transfer better and they consider it an improvement over the previous look. All that, I insist, from looking at the same screencaps that have me in a state of baffled incredulity.

But, as it has been pointed out on this thread, there were many people too complaining about the complaints over the first GLADIATOR transfer, or the first GANGS OF NEW YORK transfer, or the THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING transfer. Or even the PREDATOR transfer. And they called us "whiners" and "naysayers" and what have you, time and time again, because, well, those transfers were great and nothing to worry about.

So, to sum it up:

- Most people won't notice or even care about any changes or problems
- Of those who should care, some are posting here their satisfaction with the same screencaps I despise
- There were many before who were just fine with botched-up transfers

Therefore, I am led to believe that, most likely, some of the reviewers who are assessing the actual discs, acknowledging the changes in the new transfer but stating that those changes are not such a big deal and nothing to worry about, are looking at a transfer that, to my eyes, will show a LOT to worry about.

At this moment, the only evidence I have (misleading as it may be) are the many screencaps comparisons posted, which, to my eyes, show plenty of reason for concern.

No matter how many reviews arise, telling one tale or the other, I am afraid I can only trust my own judgement whenever I have the chance to lay my eyes on the actual discs.

A very salient post.

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by frogmort

WB has a disc replacement for 'The Matrix: Revolutions' which has one frame that is a little pixelated, and almost nobody ever even noticed it, so I think there is a pretty good chance for this one.

WB also did a replacement for Terminator 3.

[ckenisell]

Originally Posted by frogmort

WB has a disc replacement for 'The Matrix: Revolutions' which has one frame that is a little pixelated, and almost nobody ever even noticed it, so I think there is a pretty good chance for this one.

Like I've said before, if this is how they intended it to be, surely they would have come out and said so by now.

True. I forgot about The Matrix replacement. Which I still need to do.

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by ckenisell

Anybody?

I ordered at the same time and got my copy yesterday.

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Originally Posted by ckenisell

iI'm still waiting to hear something back on the latest Harry Potter BD release that was botched. Still no fix for that.

What was botched about it?

[AintNoSin]

So far the screen shots I've seen from people who actually have the discs in hand show the green/teal issue to be far smaller than the "Chicken Littles" would have us believe.