The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Indian Hills Theater]

Enough to keep me from watching? No.

Enough for a studio recall? Judges?

[Victor Wright]

Originally Posted by TheExit148

Just got mine home, opened and I have two "Part Two" discs for Fellowship of the Ring. I'm in Canada so its the Alliance release. Anyone else in Canada have this issue?

Just cracked my set open (haven't watched it yet), and I have the proper discs in my Fellowship Of The Ring. I suggest you just take it back for an exchange...

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Keep in mind too that if your display features a color setting along the lines of "Warm2, Warm1, Natural, Cool, Etc," natural and cool options will minimize the green tint and will make blues bluer and whites whiter. A lot of people prefer a cooler picture, so their TVs will already be set to minimize the green tint.

I think the trend is that viewing environments, individual displays and calibrations all contribute to one's ability to perceive or overlook the tint. If you don't perceive the tint, and are capable of taking a properly calibrated screenshot, I would recommend doing so. I think many of you would be as surprised as we reviewers as to how different it looks in accurate screenshots and how it looks in properly calibrated motion. The tint is still there in motion, it just isn't as distracting as it is in static shots. (Barring a few scenes in which it is more noticeable.)

Ken my TV is set to Warm 2 and I still stand by my comments I previously made. I just do not at all see how that screengrab for the 2nd breakfast scene accurately reflects what was shown on my TV.

I am going to try and find some bluray playback software for my PC because I use a Samsung 40" LED as my computer monitor that was previously my TV I used for watching movies and I want to run that scene right next to the 2nd breakfast screen grab.

[42041]

Originally Posted by m_burlock

Also, realize that no amount of complaining is going to get you what you want. Move on.

Complaining won't, but correcting for this tint in my playback software will
I'll probably get a chance to watch this tomorrow or the day after. If applying my white-balance adjustment makes a bunch of the movie look "wrong", rather than more vibrant, then I'll know my suspicions were misinformed. It hasn't made any of the screenshots posted look wrong, but you never know!

[mikej327]

The deal-breaker is that I already paid for the damn discs once. Who gives a crap what space they take up?

That makes no sense whatsoever...

[m_burlock]

Originally Posted by HeKS

I didn't notice mattman reference this thread. Did I miss that somewhere?

In either case, he was one of the people who though complaints were overblown and that it wouldn't really be a problem and chose to get the actual discs, only to discover the complaints were right on the money.

I "was one of the people who thought complaints were overblown" too "and chose to get the actual discs". But I DIDN'T "discover the complaints were right on the money."

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Keep in mind too that if your display features a color setting along the lines of "Warm2, Warm1, Natural, Cool, Etc," natural and cool options will minimize the green tint and will make blues bluer and whites whiter. A lot of people prefer a cooler picture, so their TVs will already be set to minimize the green tint.

I think the trend is that viewing environments, individual displays and calibrations all contribute to one's ability to perceive or overlook the tint. If you don't perceive the tint, and are capable of taking a properly calibrated screenshot, I would recommend doing so. I think many of you would be as surprised as we reviewers as to how different it looks in accurate screenshots and how it looks in properly calibrated motion. The tint is still there in motion, it just isn't as distracting as it is in static shots. (Barring a few scenes in which it is more noticeable.)

Even though my display (SXRD) is ISF calibrated by one of the top traveling calibrators, my green primary is slightly over-saturated (cannot be corrected really), so it should be interesting to see if the green tint protrudes more.

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by frogmort

I just talked to one of my friends, and he will be bringing his set over in about two hours so I can check it out.

He told me "Oh my God, it's absolutely beautiful!". I asked about some specific scenes, and he said " I was talking about the box, I haven't even opened it yet".

Man that is funny!

[iamsometal]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Keep in mind too that if your display features a color setting along the lines of "Warm2, Warm1, Natural, Cool, Etc," natural and cool options will minimize the green tint and will make blues bluer and whites whiter. A lot of people prefer a cooler picture, so their TVs will already be set to minimize the green tint.

I think the trend is that viewing environments, individual displays and calibrations all contribute to one's ability to perceive or overlook the tint. If you don't perceive the tint, and are capable of taking a properly calibrated screenshot, I would recommend doing so. I think many of you would be as surprised as we reviewers as to how different it looks in accurate screenshots and how it looks in properly calibrated motion. The tint is still there in motion, it just isn't as distracting as it is in static shots. (Barring a few scenes in which it is more noticeable.)

Thanks Ken! The teal/cyan is definitely less noticeable when I switch from Warm to Cool. It's just driving me crazy having my plasma set to Cool for the first time ever! But the whites are definitely whiter. It looked fine until Rivendell, so when I switched back to my original Warm temp, it made me appreciate PJ's new color timing. Rivendell is so warm, a really golden-autumn hue permeates my whole living room from my screen. There are more and more qualities of this new transfer I find I love as I watch it.

[HeKS]

Originally Posted by flodsby

I don't know what you think you're bashing your head about. The wording of the statement I was questioning read as meaning something other than Bill intended, and that meaning could have been offered as an excuse for the tinting and contrast problem.

[Slim Jim]

Does anyone know what the diffence will be between the Ultimate editions and the EE's I mean are there scenes that are not in the EE's that will be in the Ultimate editions

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by Slim Jim

Does anyone know what the diffence will be between the Ultimate editions and the EE's I mean are there scenes that are not in the EE's that will be in the Ultimate editions

No one knows. They don't exist yet.

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by Illy Scorsese

*Sighs*

Well here it goes... The first official crow eating...

I decided to go buy the set today(after the statement it was pretty clear that there wasn't going to be a disc exchange). I decided that I had to shell out the bucks to really see it for myself since I have spent so much time debating this subject. So obviously I open it and go right for FOTR(fantastis top of the line packaging btw). Pop it in, and prepare for the dissapointment to hit me...

This could get very long winded so I'll just get right to it...The film looks fantastic.

And it's hard for me to really understand because I know the screenshots are right(and I've looking at the screens on my TV). So yeah it's very puzzling... Because what can I say? It doesn't look the same. It looks much better.

Now it is slightly darker in some spots, and the color timing has been adjusted slightly... But it's not bad or distracting or problematic.It looks really good guys, that's just the truth.

The Title? I could barely see it as being anything other than a pleasing soft white(in the screenshots it looked more green to me, which again is difficult for me to understand).

The Mountains in the snow and the ring? Looks excellent and the snow is fairly white and the sky is blue...Is it different than before? Yes... But it's not a bad thing...I promise(I expected to be the most upset by this scene).

The Shire? Although it does feel slightly toned down(I emphasize slightly), it still feels warm and vibrant and like a wonerful place to be. Again due to the screens I expected it to feel drab or off...And it didn't. I felt slightly different but not in a bothersome or distracting way... I was very nice.

There were two scenes that I felt captured properly in the screens. The breakfast scene and the waterfall scene. The breakfast one although it does look as green as the screenshot, it fits the feel of the moment and the weather... The boats and waterfall shot however I don't like in the new edition as the shot really feels grey and feels like it's had the color sucked out of it.

Besides that the Discs and the film look Excellent.

There's no point in waiting on a replacement program as one iisn't coming... The discs are fine... This is the way Jackson wants the film to look now(the film revisionism debate should continue).

P.S. I viewed FOTR on a 50 inch Pioneer Elite KURO Pro-111FD, with a PS3 as my player.

Did someone break into Illy Scorsese account?



Glad to hear you like them. I can't wait to get them myself (but I decided to wait till they hit the $50 mark).

Thanks for the honest post.

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by Bill Hunt

too long to post

Bill, I appreciate your review and time here (also RAH for his input too).
Please know, that input like this is very helpful and I certainly am glad this kind of info is available to us all.

[nathan_393]

Originally Posted by HeKS

I'm sorry to be a broken record here, but something about this whole controversy and "hoopla" keeps being overlooked. This issue needs to be broken down into 4 stages, starting with the EE DVD release.

Stage 1: The color timing as it exists on the DVD EE release of FOTR.

Stage 2: Color timing changes made to specific scenes (eg. Council of Elrond, Lothlorien) for the Blu EE release of FOTR.

Stage 3: The addition of a green tint applied over the entire Blu EE release of FOTR, including OVER the changes already made in Stage 2.

Stage 4: The addition of a massive contrast boost applied over the entire Blu EE release of FOTR, including OVER the changes already made in Stage 2.

Most of us think that the changes made at Stage 2 are actually improvements. I haven't actually noticed anyone saying otherwise.

Our complaints start at Stage 3 and what I'm personally noticing is that several people are under the impression that the green tint applied in Stage 3 is what is responsible for the improvements that should actually be attributed to Stage 2. The change at Stage 3 simply gives the changes at Stage 2, along with everything else, a heavy green push, lessening the net improvement that was achieved at Stage 2.

Take care,
HeKS

After watching it today, I fail to notice a constant green tint over the entire film. Perhaps it's because my perception of white comes to a new balance. I can see the changes in colour timing, but I definitely don't see a ton of green everywhere. And not everything seems to be affected by the new contrast either. So Like I said, the "hoopla" is, to me, more than a bit ridiculous.

I will watch this edition of FOTR over the TE or EE DVD any day of the week.

IF WB says this is a mistake and offer a corrected disc replacement, and that's a big if at this point, then I will take it for the sheer peace of mind. But as it stands, if they don't, I am 100% fine with it because I am simply not seeing a so-called "consistent green tint" over the film.

My cinephile roommate and my girlfriend, who both watched it with me today, both agree with me. The green tint appears to have been applied judiciously, and only in certain sequences. We also noticed a teal tint occasionally that had never been present before, but it certainly wasn't applied to the entire film. It'd be ludicrous to say that.

My TV, which is a Sony KDL-EX500, is not ISF certified but it's been calibrated as close as it can get to it with two different professional calibration discs and dozens of hours of tinkering. Do a search for the TV and you'll find that it has exceptional reviews based on its outstanding picture quality.

I'm also sure that people who have watched Fellowship in its entirety, and not just the "offensive" sequences, will agree that the changes are not as terrible as you or others may make them seem.

[Blu-man08]

Having trouble downloading the digital copies to itunes. I keep getting a message that the item is not yet available in the itunes store. Anyone else experience this? Is there a different url or am I out of luck?

[frogmort]

I just finished watching FotR EE BD for the first time. It's much better than I expected. There is still not one pixel of pure white, but most scenes look okay. Some are obviously newly color graded, but some are just weird.

The clarity, detail and depth is pretty amazing, but there are scenes that seem a little too dark and colorless, compared to what I'm used to.

Over all, it's the best I've ever seen it look. The Elves in general don't glow as much as they should, and the second breakfast/Caradhras scene goes from almost white, to blue, to cyan within a matter of seconds, which seems wrong.

It's not perfect, but it's much better than I expected.


Edit: The audio was okay. From my personal experience, the TE BD is actually a little hotter. The most agressive audio, at least in the LFE department is on the EE DVD. Although not lossless, the EE DVD has an almost overloaded LFE.
Pass me some crow!

[HeKS]

Originally Posted by nathan_393

After watching it today, I fail to notice a constant green tint over the entire film. Perhaps it's because my perception of white comes to a new balance. I can see the changes in colour timing, but I definitely don't see a ton of green everywhere. And not everything seems to be affected by the new contrast either. So Like I said, the "hoopla" is, to me, more than a bit ridiculous.

And you wouldn't see (i.e. notice) a ton of green everywhere, the reasons for which have been addressed multiple times, most recently by Ken Brown.

I will watch this edition of FOTR over the TE or EE DVD any day of the week.

I'm glad you like it.

IF WB says this is a mistake and offer a corrected disc replacement, and that's a big if at this point, then I will take it for the sheer peace of mind. But as it stands, if they don't, I am 100% fine with it because I am simply not seeing a so-called "consistent green tint" over the film.

My cinephile roommate and my girlfriend, who both watched it with me today, both agree with me. The green tint appears to have been applied judiciously, and only in certain sequences.

This simply isn't the case, and that has been objectively proven multiple times. Because of the way the tint interacts with other on-screen colors, it will not always be noticeable to you without a non-green-tinted reference point. That doesn't change the objective fact that it is present in every frame of the movie.

We also noticed a teal tint occasionally that had never been present before, but it certainly wasn't applied to the entire film. It'd be ludicrous to say that.

Yes, it would be ludicrous to say that, because you did not experience any teal tint at all. What you experienced when you thought you were experiencing a teal tint was actually the green tint interacting with elements that have a slight trending towards a blue palette. The snow in most scenes, for example, actually trends slightly towards the blue to give it a "cool" look. When the green tint interacts with that it makes the snow look like it is teal. Conversely, in other scenes that are more akin to a pure white or slightly warm off-white, the tint looks very much like the sickly green color that it is.

My TV, which is a Sony KDL-EX500, is not ISF certified but it's been calibrated as close as it can get to it with two different professional calibration discs and dozens of hours of tinkering. Do a search for the TV and you'll find that it has exceptional reviews based on its outstanding picture quality.

I'm also sure that people who have watched Fellowship in its entirety, and not just the "offensive" sequences, will agree that the changes are not as terrible as you or others may make them seem.

Well I've watched it in its entirety and not just the "offensive" sequences, so what does that say for your theory?

HeKS

[Timobi]

All these posts about changing the display settings to lower the "effect" of green?? Wow, Really? Is that the answer?

Hey these new tires you just bought are really great and the tread you see was the design of our team. As intended. But as you drive, just remember to avoid any wet roads....so your car will really handle well.

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by frogmort

I just finished watching FotR EE BD for the first time. It's much better than I expected. There is still not one pixel of pure white, but most scenes look okay. Some are obviously newly color graded, but some are just weird.

The clarity, detail and depth is pretty amazing, but there are scenes that seem a little too dark and colorless, compared to what I'm used to.

Over all, it's the best I've ever seen it look. The Elves in general don't glow as much as they should, and the second breakfast/Caradhras scene goes from almost white, to blue, to cyan within a matter of seconds, which seems wrong.

It's not perfect, but it's much better than I expected.


Edit: The audio was okay. From my personal experience, the TE BD is actually a little hotter. The most agressive audio, at least in the LFE department is on the EE DVD. Although not lossless, the EE DVD has an almost overloaded LFE.
Pass me some crow!

LOL If you insist



Just Joking, glad you like it.