The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Larkitect]

Originally Posted by Blu-man08

Having trouble downloading the digital copies to itunes. I keep getting a message that the item is not yet available in the itunes store. Anyone else experience this? Is there a different url or am I out of luck?

just open up iTunes and go to the iTunes store. look on the right and click on "Redeem" and enter your code. this worked fine for me last Friday. don't bother with those URLs on those digital copy inserts. at least that's my experience with iTunes, not sure about the Windows Media Player versions.

[Strevlac]

Digital color grading = a decade of garish, ugly movies.

[Wayfarer]

I have to agree about needing a reference point in order to 'see' the tint. I saw a few screenshots in this thread and thought "What is all the fuss about? I see white, not green and teal!"

But a very simple 'auto color' filter in Photoshop CS5 made me realise there was a tint, for example:

This picture looks great to me at first glance, and got my hopes up:
http://www.imagebam.com/image/1009ec138456844

But once you see the auto-colored version, you will now see how tinted the previous shot is:
http://www.imagebam.com/image/7decd8138456846

[nathan_393]

Originally Posted by HeKS

And you wouldn't see (i.e. notice) a ton of green everywhere, the reasons for which have been addressed multiple times, most recently by Ken Brown.



I'm glad you like it.



This simply isn't the case, and that has been objectively proven multiple times. Because of the way the tint interacts with other on-screen colors, it will not always be noticeable to you without a non-green-tinted reference point. That doesn't change the objective fact that it is present in every frame of the movie.



Yes, it would be ludicrous to say that, because you did not experience any teal tint at all. What you experienced when you thought you were experiencing a teal tint was actually the green tint interacting with elements that have a slight trending towards a blue palette. The snow in most scenes, for example, actually trends slightly towards the blue to give it a "cool" look. When the green tint interacts with that it makes the snow look like it is teal. Conversely, in other scenes that are more akin to a pure white or slightly warm off-white, the tint looks very much like the sickly green color that it is.



Well I've watched it in its entirety and not just the "offensive" sequences, so what does that say for your theory?

HeKS

So you're suggesting that the green tint is corresponding with other colours in the colour wheel and it responds differently to different scenes?

I guess that makes some sense. I suppose I'll eat my own crow here; you're probably right. My apologies.

[Reduman]

I have been puzzled by something about the new LOTR EE box set for a few days now. In the blu-ray.com review of the LOTR EE editions, it states that the extras included in the box set were shot in SD which is why they will not (ever) be available in HD. Or have I possibly misread something here? I am perfectly happy to accept this, if that is indeed the case. However, I have read in at least one magazine print review and a similar one from the presumably authoritative LOTR website (theonering.net) which bemoan the fact that the extras material has not been brought in HD.
So can someone state with authority what is the case here? There is no HD extras content because a HD master does not exist, or has WB decided not to issue the supplemental material on HD (although technically available) for whatever (financial/cost) reasons?
Apologies if this question has been covered already, but in the "green tint" controversy and the reams of pages on that matter, I may well have overlooked it.

[nathan_393]

Originally Posted by Reduman

I have been puzzled by something about the box sets for a few days now. In the blu-ray.com review of the the LOTR EE editions. It states that the extras included in the box set were shot in SD and that is why they will not (ever) be available in HD. I am perfectly happy to accept this, if this is the case - but I have read at least one magazine print review and a similar one from the authoritative LOTR website (theonering.net) which bemoans the fact that the material has not been brought in HD. So can someone state with authority what is the case here, there is no HD extas content because a HD master does not exist, or WB has decided not to issue the supplemental material for whatever (financial/cost) reasons?
Apologies if this issue has been covered already, but in the "green tint" controversy and the reams of pages on that matter, I may well have overseen it.

I don't think HD cameras were prevalent during the 1999/2000 filming time, so they would have been filmed in SD (to my knowledge).

[42041]

Well, HDCAM and HD camcorders were around back then, no idea if anyone thought it was worth using them to shoot extras at the time.

[frogmort]

This presentation is better than I was misled to beleive, but it's still got it's problems. All of you green lovers have mental problems.

[Morsoth]

Well, well, well... Just watched Fellowship of the Ring, and I must say that on my television, the green tint is far from obvious... You "see" it only if you search for it, but seriously, it's not like the screen cap I've seen on this thread. If your TV color setting is well balanced, you'll never notice it.

The scene in the House of Elrond, the secret council, is way better with the new grading, less yellowish/orange and more natural.

I can't wait to watch the TTT and ROTK!!

[Larkitect]

Originally Posted by vidjunkie

Thanks Bill Hunt, that was a very good read, and I agree with you, as I am sure a lot of others here do as well.

Thanks again for taking time to post that.

this is a representation of my feelings as well.

thank you Bill Hunt.

[AintNoSin]

Originally Posted by Morsoth

If your TV color setting is well balanced, you'll never notice it.

My feelings, too. I'm as far as the birthday party and loving what I see so far.

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

....

That's why I'd love to hear Jackson speak to adding a slight green tint to the entire film. It's there, it's verifiable; so if it's intentional, its existence must have logic and reasoning behind it. He or Lesnie had to say, "increase the greens a bit through the whole film" to achieve the transfer as it exists in our hands. And if they said that, they must have had a reason to do so. Maybe they just don't notice it like many of you, and maybe it does look exactly as they like it to as a result. Perhaps they accidentally added a slight tint, didn't realize it was there, but liked the end result all the same. They would approve it, they would like it, they would be happy...
....

Ken, as always, you are careful to answer in a way that is thoughtful and detailed (I love details, I'm a programmer!).

I figured that was your opinion, but wanted to ask just to confirm. I also believe WB but it'd also be nice to hear it from Mr. Jackson himself.

Ken, thanks for all the input (all the other questions, etc) on this thread. This is what makes being online a good experience.

[HonestJohn]

Originally Posted by frogmort

Pass me some crow!

Don't worry, I hear it tastes like chicken ....



Still waiting for my damn Amazon order to ship ....

[joenostalgia23]

Originally Posted by Strevlac

Digital color grading = a decade of garish, ugly movies.

There have been some beautiful films that have come out in the last decade with visuals unlike anything before them thanks to digital grading. The films of David Fincher, the cinematography work of Bruno Delbonnel, show proof that we can achieve amazing visuals with the technology. not to mention that the majority of films are digitally graded.

[kurtlingle]

Glad to hear you enjoyed it.
I can't wait to see it myself, but for the first time in a while, I've decided to wait for that awesome sale (Black Friday) and get them cheaper.

Thanks for the input.

Originally Posted by frogmort

I just finished watching FotR EE BD for the first time. It's much better than I expected. There is still not one pixel of pure white, but most scenes look okay. Some are obviously newly color graded, but some are just weird.

The clarity, detail and depth is pretty amazing, but there are scenes that seem a little too dark and colorless, compared to what I'm used to.

Over all, it's the best I've ever seen it look. The Elves in general don't glow as much as they should, and the second breakfast/Caradhras scene goes from almost white, to blue, to cyan within a matter of seconds, which seems wrong.

It's not perfect, but it's much better than I expected.


Edit: The audio was okay. From my personal experience, the TE BD is actually a little hotter. The most agressive audio, at least in the LFE department is on the EE DVD. Although not lossless, the EE DVD has an almost overloaded LFE.
Pass me some crow!

[raygendreau]

Now that most posters have accepted the fact that the new EE BD set reflects the original vision of PJ for Home Theater viewing of LOTR, will it mute charges of revisionism? Arguably, the DVD EE and TE BD sets are the revisionist versions. Perhaps we should call PJ a Previsionist.

[joenostalgia23]

My favorite part of this thread are the people who visit infrequently and have just come by to leave LOL GREEN TINT jokes that we've already heard dozens of times.

Everything from "more like Lord of the GREEN" to "hoho you guise wud hate Green Lantern" or Hulk/Shrek/Kermit/etc references.

[ApolloOne]

Originally Posted by Morsoth

Well, well, well... Just watched Fellowship of the Ring, and I must say that on my television, the green tint is far from obvious... You "see" it only if you search for it, but seriously, it's not like the screen cap I've seen on this thread. If your TV color setting is well balanced, you'll never notice it.

Has the quality of the screencaps that got everyone in a tizzy been verified as properly calibrated? I ask because I've done many screencaps of color bars from calibration discs, using a variety of methods (VLC, AVIsynth + Vdub, etc), and they're usually wrong. And when examining the caps, the green bar is often the most "off."

[joenostalgia23]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Now that most posters have accepted the fact that the new EE BD set reflects the original vision of PJ for Home Theater viewing of LOTR, will it mute charges of revisionism? Arguably, the DVD EE and TE BD sets are the revisionist versions. Perhaps we should call PJ a Previsionist.

I'm a big supporter of the new color correction, but that's a ridiculous statement. The debate of revisionism can be kept alive be it sort of is. Just because it *might be his original vision doesn't mean it's not revisionist.

George Lucas says his changes all reflect his original vision, but I certainly think of it as revisionism.

[flodsby]

Originally Posted by HeKS

I don't know what you think you're bashing your head about. The wording of the statement I was questioning read as meaning something other than Bill intended, and that meaning could have been offered as an excuse for the tinting and contrast problem.

I was referring to how you keep saying the same thing over and over and over and...