The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Strevlac]

Originally Posted by joenostalgia23

There have been some beautiful films that have come out in the last decade with visuals unlike anything before them thanks to digital grading. The films of David Fincher, the cinematography work of Bruno Delbonnel, show proof that we can achieve amazing visuals with the technology. not to mention that the majority of films are digitally graded.

Yeah, I know. But, there have been many, many more that have abused the newfound ease of use resulting from these tools. There are more "garish, ugly" films in the 00's than in past decades, IMO, simply because it was much harder to go as hog wild and get the results you wanted photochemically.

It's not just color either. The crazy, pumped up contrast of most new movies bothers me as well.

[tilallr1]

Honestly, just finished watching the first half of fellowship, and barely noticed anything wrong with the image, in regards to tinting. Hardly even close to distracting. I think calibration is key here, and think the screencaps we have seen, may have been taken off displays which were poorly calibrated.

The only major issues I experienced, was that a few of the scenes were too soft, and lacked clarity. This was especially jarring after a scene which was crystal clear. But this is a known problem with the source.

Overall a huge improvement over the DVD version, especially the audio!

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[flodsby]

I just love how certain people still try to drive the fact that there is an overpowering green tint down everyones throat to, I don't know, make them feel bad for buying a set that they themselves feel bad for throwing money down on, or just really really hate it. If that is the fact, I think you should just state your claim and move on instead of posting the same dribble over and over again. It gets really old.

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by merrick97

Ken my TV is set to Warm 2 and I still stand by my comments I previously made. I just do not at all see how that screengrab for the 2nd breakfast scene accurately reflects what was shown on my TV.

Sorry, I should have clarified that point a bit more. The point I was making (or trying to) is that certain settings (and setting combinations) will minimize or exacerbate what is primarily and already a difficult-to-spot tint. I was only using one setting as an example, not attempting to suggest every display set to Warm1 or Warm2 would suddenly showcase the tint

If you still can't see the tint, are desperate to see what difference Jackson's new intentional changes do make, and have two players connected to your display, toss in the FOTR theatrical BD (or extended edition DVD) and flip back and forth between corresponding scenes in it and the FOTR EE BD. The differences are fairly minor, and easy to miss while watching the EE BD from front to back, but the differences are also fairly unmistakable when flipping back and forth between it and a pre-tint version. (I'm doing it now, so I know I haven't lost my mind. Although that, in and of itself, may suggest I have )

As an added bonus, the increased detail and other improvements are unmistakable as well

Just to be clear: I'm not recommending doing a comparison to get you to change your opinion. But I do think it's valuable to see the changes Jackson made so you (and everyone else) can contribute to the discussion of those changes, and the discussion about why Jackson may have made these intentional adjustments. The tint alters the thematic tone of some scenes, so it's worth discussing how that thematic tone has been enhanced, lessened, or stabilized by Jackson's decision.

Again, since the tint is intentional, it must have a reason for being there, no matter how minor it is. It would be interesting to discuss what that reasoning is IMO since it's been established by most that it isn't too problematic or distracting

[flodsby]

Originally Posted by tilallr1

Honestly, just finished watching the first half of fellowship, and barely noticed anything wrong with the image, in regards to tinting. Hardly even close to distracting. I think calibration is key here, and think the screencaps we have seen, may have been taken off displays which were poorly calibrated.

The only major issues I experienced, was that a few of the scenes were too soft, and lacked clarity. This was especially jarring after a scene which was crystal clear. But this is a known problem with the source.

Overall a huge improvement over the DVD version, especially the audio!

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I totally agree with you. I noticed a few scenes that were softer than the others.

[42041]

Originally Posted by tilallr1

Honestly, just finished watching the first half of fellowship, and barely noticed anything wrong with the image, in regards to tinting. Hardly even close to distracting. I think calibration is key here, and think the screencaps we have seen, may have been taken off displays which were poorly calibrated.

The only major issues I experienced, was that a few of the scenes were too soft, and lacked clarity. This was especially jarring after a scene which was crystal clear. But this is a known problem with the source.

Overall a huge improvement over the DVD version, especially the audio!

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Frame grabs have nothing to do with display calibration, they are taken from the decoded/converted-to-RGB video stream.

[flodsby]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Sorry, I should have clarified that point a bit more. The point I was making (or trying to) is that certain settings (and setting combinations) will minimize or exacerbate what is primarily and already a difficult-to-spot tint. I was only using one setting as an example, not attempting to suggest every display set to Warm1 or Warm2 would suddenly showcase the tint

If you still can't see the tint, are desperate to see what difference Jackson's new intentional changes do make, and have two players connected to your display, toss in the FOTR theatrical BD (or extended edition DVD) and flip back and forth between corresponding scenes in it and the FOTR EE BD. The differences are fairly minor, and easy to miss while watching the EE BD from front to back, but the differences are also fairly unmistakable when flipping back and forth between it and a pre-tint version. (I'm doing it now, so I know I haven't lost my mind. Although that, in and of itself, may suggest I have )

As an added bonus, the increased detail and other improvements are unmistakable as well

Just to be clear: I'm not recommending doing a comparison to get you to change your opinion. But I do think it's valuable to see the changes Jackson made so you (and everyone else) can contribute to the discussion of those changes, and the discussion about why Jackson may have made these intentional adjustments. The tint alters the thematic tone of some scenes, so it's worth discussing how that thematic tone has been enhanced, lessened, or stabilized by Jackson's decision.

Again, since the tint is intentional, it must have a reason for being there, no matter how minor it is. It would be interesting to discuss what that reasoning is IMO since it's been established by most that it isn't too problematic or distracting

Ken I know what you're saying' but nothing beats a good ole calibrated tv

[Roy Batty]

When I find the time and the inclination (remember, English is not my first language, so it's specially hard for me to try and explain myself clearly enough and really say what I want to) I intend to put my thoughts into writing here, but in the meantime, I have a somewhat teasingly trick question:

How come that so many posters who had previously stated their enthusiasm for the strongly green tinted screencaps, now, after watching the actual discs and reporting that the actual image is really nothing like that, are equally enthusiastic about the not-so-tinted image? If those pea-puke screencaps were so great, how come the actual discs are not a disappointment? If it's really not there, aren't they missing the green push they used to love?

Some of those posters have kept posting the same disparaging comments about those who don't like the new transfer, with unnecessary remarks like "some people will never be happy".

Well, as it seems to me, some people will be happy with whatever.

[flodsby]

BTW a little off topic... I am listening to the BBC production of the LOTR as an intermission. I forgot how good the production values are.

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by tilallr1

Honestly, just finished watching the first half of fellowship, and barely noticed anything wrong with the image, in regards to tinting. Hardly even close to distracting. I think calibration is key here, and think the screencaps we have seen, may have been taken off displays which were poorly calibrated.

The official screenshots in my review are taken directly from the disc. Those are a good go-to source for 100% accurate screenshots. Again though, when I take the same shots that appear online, they look the same. This truly is a matter, as Bill Hunt confirmed in his post here, that the tint is more apparent in static shots than it is in motion, even though it is equally present in both.

Again, a reference point -- be it the pure whites of a browser window or side-by-side shot comparisons -- are what make many of the screenshots seem so different from what appears on screen.

Sorry to keep harping this point. I feel it's important to stress that the tint is not as noticeable as the screenshots suggest, not that the tint is somehow inaccurate in the screenshots. I know it's a fine point, but it's an important one

Originally Posted by tilallr1

The only major issues I experienced, was that a few of the scenes were too soft, and lacked clarity. This was especially jarring after a scene which was crystal clear. But this is a known problem with the source.

Good eye! The softness you're seeing traces back to the newly produced master. The TE Blu-ray had a lot of excessive artificial sharpening (as was evidenced by at-times bothersome ringing). However, the EE Blu-ray has not been privy to egregious artificial sharpening. The scenes that seem softer actually are softer, but only because the remaster is more faithful to the film's original photography. The softness is actually a good thing in this case, as it is more faithful to the source. Hope that helps alleviate that concern!

[TheForce8686]

Originally Posted by HeKS

And you wouldn't see (i.e. notice) a ton of green everywhere, the reasons for which have been addressed multiple times, most recently by Ken Brown.



I'm glad you like it.



This simply isn't the case, and that has been objectively proven multiple times. Because of the way the tint interacts with other on-screen colors, it will not always be noticeable to you without a non-green-tinted reference point. That doesn't change the objective fact that it is present in every frame of the movie.



Yes, it would be ludicrous to say that, because you did not experience any teal tint at all. What you experienced when you thought you were experiencing a teal tint was actually the green tint interacting with elements that have a slight trending towards a blue palette. The snow in most scenes, for example, actually trends slightly towards the blue to give it a "cool" look. When the green tint interacts with that it makes the snow look like it is teal. Conversely, in other scenes that are more akin to a pure white or slightly warm off-white, the tint looks very much like the sickly green color that it is.



Well I've watched it in its entirety and not just the "offensive" sequences, so what does that say for your theory?

HeKS

You must have gotten a different disc then me as I have watched the first 2 movies tonight and noticed no tints or green colors. I guess I got lucky.

[WhySoCereal]

If anyone wants the digital copies for free, hit me up.

[tilallr1]

Originally Posted by 42041

Frame grabs have nothing to do with display calibration, they are taken from the decoded/converted-to-RGB video stream.

Well then, could the video card settings have been improperly configured? Because I don't see a image even close to those. In fact, to be honest, the black levels were excellent too, way more detail & depth than the DVD. I am not seeing the black crush, others have reported.

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[EVOLVIST]

Guys and gals,

If I’m making a mistake, please correct me if I’m wrong.

So, I pop in the BD of FoTR EE. And I’m loving the clarity – just not this green that I notice. But I wonder, because I’ve been reading and contributing to this thread daily, that now my mind is looking for all things green.

So, I take out my DVD version of the above for comparison.

The findings? Oh snap! The color is nearly identical to the naked eye between the DVD and the BD. The only things that have changed is the clarity and the colors “pop” a little bit more.

But wait! I noticed something else quite strange (and this is after not watching the films for close to 3 years).

Since my mind is now looking for green in every nook and cranny, I noticed that on the DVD, when Gandalf lights the fireworks on the back of the wagon – and the old man (or woman) who’s sweeping starts laughing…well, the other woman comes up and gives the sweeping person a reproachful look, and the person sweeping stops smiling. Well, the woman with the evil eye has a green tint to her. ON THE DVD! On the BD? Her color is a healthy skin tone.

When Gandalf pulls up to Bilbo’s house, he goes up on a wee bridge, as the camera comes closer from a long-shot. The color of the rocks that make up the bridge on the DVD? Purple! The color of the rocks on the BD? Grey, brown and mossy the way they look in the other shots of rocks on the BD, i.e. the natural color of rocks.

These are just a couple of examples. I noticed a score of other things in my watching; but since these instances happen within a short time of one another, I thought I would cite them together.

So, what’s up with the green face and the purple rocks on the DVD, while a natural look prevails on the BD? Could it be that PJ was/is making real color timing corrections on the BD for the better?

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by flodsby

Ken I know what you're saying' but nothing beats a good ole calibrated tv

Oh, definitely. I completely agree. I hope no one takes my statement as meaning you should have anything but a properly calibrated display

[flodsby]

Originally Posted by Roy Batty

(remember, English is not my first language, so it's specially hard for me to try and explain myself clearly enough and really say what I want to)

The post this was included in had to be the best use of the english language I have seen in a long time. I bow to you sir

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by EVOLVIST

So, what’s up with the green face and the purple rocks on the DVD, while a natural look prevails on the BD? Could it be that PJ was/is making real color timing corrections on the BD for the better?

Yes, his color changes are more extensive than the slight tint, and in situations like you mentioned, make noticeable improvements. He confirmed those changes some time ago. The only thing people were debating (or should have been debating) over the last two weeks was whether those color changes included the slight tint. Until yesterday, it wasn't clear whether the tint was a part of the new color grade, or possibly a separate issue. It's now been confirmed that the color changes and tint are both intentional.

Rivendell looks especially different, not because of the tint, but because saturation isn't as overpowering and the base tones have been adjusted

[flodsby]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Rivendell looks especially different, not because of the tint, but because saturation has been lessened and the base tones adjusted

And this is where I also noticed the most difference. It was like the sun had gone down or something. In my opinion it wasn't bad, just different.

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by flodsby

And this is where I also noticed the most difference. It was like the sun had gone down or something. In my opinion it wasn't bad, just different.

I also suspect the changes to the Rivendell scenes, more than any other, were designed to create a smoother bridge between all of the films, the two upcoming 'Hobbit' films included.

[ScarredLungs]

After watching FOTR, I can say that it looks amazing. I agree with previous posters that the green tint is not near as bad as people made it out to be. I believe that the color changes actually help the movie. I have yet to see a "bad" scene. These films come highly recommended sure to their superb qu ality.