The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by Aragorn84

Watching now. Blue skies. White snow. Beautiful colors all around.

Correct. Blues are still blue. Whites are still white. Reds are still red. Golds are still gold. They're just slightly different shades of blue, white, red, and gold than what they would be had Jackson not applied the intentional green tint (slight as it is). It only alters the hues that are present. It doesn't turn everything green, and its consistency and faintness will make it difficult for most viewers to detect

Thanks for sharing your impressions!

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by Farid

IMO it's an absolutely horrible decision by PJ. It's called Fellowship of the Ring, not Fellowship in the Matrix

Have you seen the discs? Most people who have seen the discs think it looks breathtaking and most wondered what the fuss was about.

If you have seen the discs and still have this conclusion then I will just have to say that the majority respectfully disagrees with you, including me.

But opinions are important things and we need a wide range.

[HeKS]

Originally Posted by retablo

Which is EXACTLY my point. They are hardly EVER representative of the way the film actually plays out, yet people keep looking to them as definitive. How is that hard to understand?

It's not really misinformation if you see something in screenshot and not on the TV screen. That would justify it being different, hence my point of them not being accurate. You have no true white on TV to comare it to, as opposed to the webpage or "comparison" shots its posted next to, so all perception is altered. Not to be pedantic of anything.

Regardless, FOTR looks great, AS INTENDED.

I wasn't really disagreeing with you. As I said to Ken, I was clarifying a particular detail.

It's not really that a screen print is hardly ever representative ... it's that people often end up looking at screen prints in a different setting than they would watch the movie. If you have a full res screencap and you were looking at in the same environment as you would watch the film, that would accurately represent what you would see when you were watching the film. Most of the differences in perception have to do with viewing conditions rather than an image being in motion or being still, even though that can have some effect.

The only reason I was taking pains to point this is out is because some people have kept saying that the screencaps that have been posted have been either wrong, inaccurate or a hoax. They haven't been any of those things.

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by merrick97

Have you seen the discs? Most people who have seen the discs think it looks breathtaking and most wondered what the fuss was about.

If you have seen the discs and still have this conclusion then I will just have to say that the majority respectfully disagrees with you, including me.

But opinions are important things and we need a wide range.

I completely agree... when I took my set home last night (I skipped through the first disc of fellowship) I thought it was amazing looking. I paused it when Gandalf returned to Bag End and was talking to Frodo, up close shot on Gandalfs face, sat in wonderment that I could actually see individual hairs!!! That was NOT on the TE... I wish PJ hadn't redone the color timing, I like the original better, but this set is MILES ahead of the BD TE, or the DVD EE...

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Correct. Blues are still blue. Whites are still white. Reds are still red. Golds are still gold. They're just slightly different shades of blue, white, red, and gold than what they would be had Jackson not applied the intentional green tint (slight as it is). It only alters the hues that are present. It doesn't turn everything green, and its consistency and faintness will make it difficult for most viewers to detect

Thanks for sharing your impressions!

One thing I've noticed (this was apparent at the screening I went to as well) is that some scenes take on a more "golden" appearance - scenes inside Bag End, especially). I really like the look a lot.

But it is quite different from the original color scheme, so I don't begrudge anyone who is put off by it.

[Hobbun]

Originally Posted by merrick97

Have you seen the discs? Most people who have seen the discs think it looks breathtaking and most wondered what the fuss was about.

If you have seen the discs and still have this conclusion then I will just have to say that the majority respectfully disagrees with you, including me.

But opinions are important things and we need a wide range.

Although I wasn't one of the vocal ones as I didn't have an account until today, I have followed this thread for about a week or so (and read the older posts, as well) and I already had it set in my head how this was awful and wanted a replacement disc from the screenshots I saw.

However, after watching FotR yesterday, I am one of the converts and I don't even really notice the 'green' tint. I do bare see a more greenish hue, but only because I was actually looking hard for it. If I didn't know about all this controversy, I wouldn't have had a second thought watching the movie. The movie looks nothing like the screenshots I've seen posted.

My point is (to Farid), Merrick is right. If you are basing your opinion on what's been shown through screenshots, watch the actual movie. It does not look like what you see online.

[HonestJohn]

Originally Posted by merrick97

Its good to see that the hostility of this thread has finally died down.

+1

Originally Posted by merrick97

I am very glad to see many people in agreement that the discs looks great and I think Bill Hunt and Robert Harris hit the nail on the head when they called it "breathtaking"

I do hope that those who were calling them shills and not "being outraged" will admit that they knew what they were talking about.

+10

Originally Posted by merrick97

Yes, I still would have liked them to condense all the extras into 1 BD-50 and I would have liked more stylized packaging more in line with the dvds of the EEs, but they got the one thing right that I felt they HAD to get right: The feature itself and I am also VERY glad that they split the film over two discs.

+100 ..

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by flodsby

Hi all I know this is off-topic, but I use a PS3 and it has the settings like super white and rgb full range and deep color output. I think my tv will use these settings but is it worth it? I tried looking thru the forums for an answer but couldn't find one. Any help would be appreciated.

Limited sends RGB 16-235 (Video levels)
Full sends RGB 0-255 (Computer levels)

If you have your TV calibrated for video levels (Probably, if you have other video sources) choose video levels or Yrb

(If the TV accepts 0-255 without clipping and you can calibrate individual inputs, you could calibrate with Full but after calibration should end up the same as if you started with the 16-235 levels)

[HeKS]

Originally Posted by Adam_ME

I A-B'd the theatrical cut Blu-ray with the Extended Edition last night and there definitely IS a slight greenish tint. Now it's nowhere near as bad as people are making it out to be. This is not The Matrix we're talking about. But I've seen Fellowship in theaters, on the theatrical and extended DVDs, on TV, and on theatrical and extended Blu-rays. All of them looked the same up until the new Blu-ray which is noticeably darker and more green.

The good news(if you can call it that) is that certain scenes that I was dreading actually looked alright, such as when they're walking through the snow-covered mountain. It was darker, but not really green. The sky was still blue and the snow still white. I prefer the older color scheme, but the scene wasn't ruined the way some of these screenshots would seem to imply.

The real frustrating thing is that color scheme aside, this is a fantastic transfer. I never hated the theatrical Blu-ray as some did(mainly because I can't spot DNR quite as well as some other folks). But there's no denying the EE Blu-ray absolutely blows away the previous one. I watched the Council of Elrond scene on both and the EE is so much sharper and detailed it makes the first Blu-ray look like an old DVD.

It would be nice if WB admits in the not-too-distant future that this was a screwup and offers up replacement discs, but I have a feeling we're stuck with this transfer for now. I'm glad it's not the disaster some have made it out to be. But at the same time, it's disappointing knowing it could've been even better.

Reasonable comments. I like them.

[raygendreau]

I suspect that some fans will have some difficulty losing the preconcieved notion that the EE DVDs and TE BDs are the benchmarks for judging the new EE disk of FOTR. If they can accept the new EEs as the benchmark all will be well. I'll find out for myself tomorrow when my Amazon order is delivered.

I plan to load my TE FOTR in my BDP S 570 and the new EE in my PS3 slim. I'll decode the audio in my Pioneer. I'm curious to see if there are any perceivable differences between to DTS HD MA ES Matrix on the TE and the DTS HD MA Discrete on the EE.

I haven't seen any comments or comparisons of the audio in this thread yet. Did I miss some?

[flodsby]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Limited sends RGB 16-235 (Video levels)
Full sends RGB 0-255 (Computer levels)

If you have your TV calibrated for video levels (Probably, if you have other video sources) choose video levels or Yrb

(If the TV accepts 0-255 without clipping and you can calibrate individual inputs, you could calibrate with Full but after calibration should end up the same as if you started with the 16-235 levels)

Thanks for the info. My tv is calibrated so I think I will leave that alone

[LOTR07]

Originally Posted by merrick97

I do have a slight problem with the disc in my Oppo player.

Frankly I have had more problems with this player than any other bluray player I have owned.

Anyway, the player always locks up when I put in a 2nd disc.

I have to turn off the player and then restart it with the disc inside of the player to get it read.

Which OPPO.....83 or 93....i did not have any playback issues with my 93

[HeKS]

Originally Posted by PGW

Yep. That's the point I got to with these people.

"Skies are green!
Snow is green!
Credits are green!

And... that can't POSSIBLY be a mistake."

After all, Peter Jackson said so.

Mass hypnosis, I guess.

I hear ya.

HeKS

[EVOLVIST]

Well, after reading this thread for weeks, and contributing some of my own thoughts, while comparing the RoTK DVD-EE and the BD_EE - I woke up this morning and it hit me that everything is still right with the world.

I hadn't seen the DVD-EEs in about 3 years. Love the films though. They are masterpieces of cinema.

But the end result - for me anyway - watching those DVD-EEs, there are far, far, far more problems with the coloring on the DVDs compared to the BD-EEs. I can't stress this enough. Just take a look for yourselves. I mean, there are really some bizzare color problems all over the 3 films, that surpass anything I've seen on the new BDs.

And, back in the day, I thought these DVDs were the best looking discs I had ever seen. I was never bothered by these anomalies. The picture on these were beautiful. Now I realize how wonky they really are.

Really though, these films are fantasy colored. I know that's been mentioned before - but they were colored like a fantasy world in 2001, 2003, 2008 and now 2011. That's the way they are supposed to look. Why expect something different when there were purple rocks in the DVD-EE or God's sake!?

In the end, I think folks will just have to get over it or not (again, a sentiment that's been expressed in this very thread). Now that I've reconciled these things unto myself - and rightfully so - I'm not going to worry about the BS problems I saw in the cinema in 2001, or on the DVDs - or even how Merry and Pippin still look like crap, riding Treebeard.

I think I'm just going to dig the hell out of these now.

Thank you for reading.

e.

[Mr. Joshua]

Can't wait to triple dip when each movie is on one disc instead of two discs. Wasn't that the whole point of blu-ray afterall? Geez. I'm so tired of digital copy, DVD copy. I want HD version only. Just give me the blu-ray 1080p with DTS HD sound on one freaking disc please. And why oh why with Sucker Punch didn't they just bridge the theatrical version and the extended cut on the same damn disc? Someone please explain. WB get with the program already. And while I am *****ing reencode Batman Begins with DTS HD sound Dolby True HD totally sucks!!!!!!!

[HeKS]

Originally Posted by BluMagic

It looked incredible! I think it´s great that the "holiday"-feeling(like a suntrip) of the movie is gone. I mean it was always to bright, it didn´t feel like they were in the middle-earth I visit reading the books anyway! I am more than pleased with the release! A little darker/greener, more like I see it in the books, and amazing detail.

Glad I didn´t cancel my order... Now give me The Hobbit!

Hi BluMagic,

I'm glad you're happy with the color changes to FOTR.

One question: If the new look of FOTR now better matches the way you imagined middle-earth in the books, how do you feel about the unaltered look of TT and ROTK?

Take care,
HeKS

[Max_Genus]

I was all set to pick up my set after work yesterday, go home & see for myself - after all I'd gone through Best Buy Pre-Order Hell of 4 stores before finding one (the farthest from the house of course) that actually got the procedure correct (pay $10 at register, get ring & receipt).

However, the Shadow of Mordor apparently is against me getting this set, because after the young lady at CS punches my receipt into the register, she looks confused and walks into the room behind CS and after a minute comes out and says, "I'm sorry, but it looks like we didn't get any of these." <= my actual face at the time

I'm thinking there must've been some sort of shipping problem, so I ask, "I know with preorder I'm only supposed to pick it up here, but is there any way I can get it from another store?"

She says I could try, but let her check the other area stores... Cool.

Then she turns the register's monitor and shows me that ALL the local store's data reads ZERO units "On Hand" and "Inventory" numbers all reading negative numbers. Pointing to those she says, "Those are all preorders" - my jaw drops.

I remain calm and ask if she has any idea how soon they might arrive. "I really don't know. But, we have your phone number, so we'll call you when they do." I thanked her for her time and left the store.

Cut to home, I call BB's HQ and say I have a complaint. A rep listens to my tale, verifies the SKU on the version I wanted then asks if I'll hold while he finds out what's going on. He calls the store and finds out that they actually DID have them in stock, but the store rep says there was some sort of "big problem this morning with these movies".

In any case, the bottom line is they have one set aside with my name. I will attempt make the detour to pick it up today after work again. I say "attempt", because I know not what The Enemy now has in store ( pun intended) to prevent completion of my quest.

[HeKS]

Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema

I started on FOTR last night. I watched the first 40 minutes. I may not have gotten far enough to the "teal" sections, but I didn't really notice anything out of the ordinary in the parts I watched. The sky looked blue.

The only instance of possibly a very slight teal tint was when the Ringwraith first asks about the ring. Other than that, everything looked normal to my eyes.

Just a quick clarification ... the green tint would not make the sky look green. It would still look essentially blue ... just a different blue than if the green tint weren't interacting with it. The difference, while constantly noticed by some, is noticed by most only when they have a non-tinted reference to compare it to.

Take care,
HeKS

[AintNoSin]

Originally Posted by Mr. Joshua

Can't wait to triple dip when each movie is on one disc instead of two discs. Wasn't that the whole point of blu-ray afterall?

The point of Blu-ray was higher quality video and sound. And there is still a physical limit on the amount of hi-def video and audio you can squeeze onto one 50GB disk before quality suffers.

[HeKS]

Originally Posted by underworld54

and jurassic park..."they applied dnr so much that you can't even see the t-rex"

lol