The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by merrick97

With all due respect do you really believe that?

Right now the amount of people unsatisfied are very clearly in the minority and now the actual discs have gotten into people's hands most of the remarks have been extremely positive with very few legitimate complaints about the color timing and I stress legitimate. Knowing that I cant possibly see how Warner could be convinced to revert back to the old colors. Not to mention that most "professional" reviews have been positive as well. Not all, but most.

Im not one to tell you what to think, but I think expecting their to be a disc exchange is a lost cause.

Such was not the case with Gladiator when there was a massive and pretty unanimous outcry. Rightfully so in that case.

No, I don't take any offense. I do think that there will be a change. I'm just hoping that they will change it before an Ultimate Edition comes out with The Hobbit (which I am perfectly fine in skipping at this point).

I honestly feel that because the picture a little dull, that this WAS NOT what Jackson signed off on. I really wish he would make a statement. His silence on the matter is still interesting to me. He has answered questions posed after this one on his Facebook page and he is still relatively active on Facebook, even though he's insanely busy on The Hobbit.

If Jackson told WBHV to repress the discs, they would. He's that much of an asset to them. Now, like was mentioned much earlier, I think that they will do a quiet replacement program, figuring that most people won't give a damn. It is a lot cheaper to fix the issue on a new set of inventory than it would have been to recall all the discs before street date.

I'd be a little disappointed if in a year, no statement or replacement came out. I wouldn't be surprised if in a year, a replacement program was put in place.

I'm not going to hold my breath, but Jackson could easily make it happen because he loves these films so much. He pours over every single decision when it comes to visuals. I highly doubt that he would have decided to take down the white levels to the entire film. It just doesn't add up.

Considering that they rescanned the film for this release, there's no reason why I should see such a difference in clarity and contrast between Fellowship and Two Towers (a film released only one year later and shot at the same time).

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Don't read my 'Star Wars' spoiler tag then! That one kills me every time I watch 'A New Hope'

Did you see that Robot Chicken mentioned that disparity in sorrow from Star Wars?

Robot Chicken: Luke's Lack of Perspective

[Velmeran]

Ken (and anyone else really) I realized that my answer may not fully answer that question as well as you would like, but you could always visit the Movie vs Book thread and ask it (or other questions about parts of the Movie/Book) and get answers from some very knowledgeable Tolkien fans.

[Underworld54]

Guy's, I remember reading a rumor that stated WB specifically asked PJ to use a stuffed animal in the scene where Sam is cooking the coney but you can clearly see that he used a real dead rabbit. The exquisite detail in the new FOTR transfer clearly proves this. I wonder how much flack WB got from PETA over this?

[Show spoiler]I made this up. Just thought I'd introduce a rediculous conspiracy like many people are still doing in this thread.

[TheBluNaco]

My dad has the Collectors Set that looks like a set of books.

Is it worth the upgrade from that to this?

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

Ken (and anyone else really) I realized that my answer may not fully answer that question as well as you would like, but you could always visit the Movie vs Book thread and ask it (or other questions about parts of the Movie/Book) and get answers from some very knowledgeable Tolkien fans.

Thanks, but everyone helped answer my question to my satisfaction! I didn't want to mull over it too much, I just wanted a nice neat answer that could help me sleep at night

Originally Posted by WorkShed

Did you see that Robot Chicken mentioned that disparity in sorrow from Star Wars?

Robot Chicken: Luke's Lack of Perspective

No! That's hilarious. I had read about it somewhere, can't recall where, but my entire childhood shattered It's amazing how fast you forget

[Show spoiler]Leia's planet was destroyed just moments before. It actually makes Fisher's entire performance in those scenes and the following scenes seem strangely divorced from everything that transpired.

Sorry, I know this is really off topic so I'll stop talking about it

[Cook]

Originally Posted by WorkShed

No, I don't take any offense. I do think that there will be a change. I'm just hoping that they will change it before an Ultimate Edition comes out with The Hobbit (which I am perfectly fine in skipping at this point).

I honestly feel that because the picture a little dull, that this WAS NOT what Jackson signed off on. I really wish he would make a statement. His silence on the matter is still interesting to me. He has answered questions posed after this one on his Facebook page and he is still relatively active on Facebook, even though he's insanely busy on The Hobbit.

If Jackson told WBHV to repress the discs, they would. He's that much of an asset to them. Now, like was mentioned much earlier, I think that they will do a quiet replacement program, figuring that most people won't give a damn. It is a lot cheaper to fix the issue on a new set of inventory than it would have been to recall all the discs before street date.

I'd be a little disappointed if in a year, no statement or replacement came out. I wouldn't be surprised if in a year, a replacement program was put in place.

I'm not going to hold my breath, but Jackson could easily make it happen because he loves these films so much. He pours over every single decision when it comes to visuals. I highly doubt that he would have decided to take down the white levels to the entire film. It just doesn't add up.

Considering that they rescanned the film for this release, there's no reason why I should see such a difference in clarity and contrast between Fellowship and Two Towers (a film released only one year later and shot at the same time).

The picture isnt dull, though. I honestly cant figure out where these and other claims such as not being able to make out details of moria and the armies in the prologue are coming from. Honestly everything looks great on my tv and i can make out every little soldier in the prologue. Sounds like the ones with the problem should calibrate their tvs. Even if youve done it before you should do it again because something is off with your tv.

[Velmeran]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Thanks, but everyone helped answer my question to my satisfaction! I didn't want to mull over it too much, I just wanted a nice neat answer that could help me sleep at night

See... we can't have that. Now I'm really wishing I hadn't posted my theory :P

[CRD13NYC]

Originally Posted by TheBluNaco

My dad has the Collectors Set that looks like a set of books.

Is it worth the upgrade from that to this?

Yes. Same version of the movies as those DVD's but have been re-mastered in HD.

[griezzel]

Originally Posted by karlosfunkster

Objectively speaking, I don't think any of the movie is screwed up. Not even slightly.

Please! The word you meant to use is SUBJECTIVELY.

Your experience/perception does not negate those of others.

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by Cook

The picture isnt dull, though. I honestly cant figure out where these and other claims such as not being able to make out details of moria and the armies in the prologue are coming from. Honestly everything looks great on my tv and i can make out every little soldier in the prologue. Sounds like the ones with the problem should calibrate their tvs. Even if youve done it before you should do it again because something is off with your tv.

I'm sorry, but that is not the answer. I really suggest watching a half hour of Fellowship and then switching immediately to the opening of Two Towers. There is a clear difference between the two. I don't have any other problems with clarity in exposure except for AVP:R, The Last of the Mohicans, and the EE of Fellowship. It is definitely the presentation of the film. Now, my TV is a few years old but we shouldn't have to go through all this effort and back and forth with changing all the settings (and in my case creating a new user setting only for Fellowship).

In other words, if it was a problem with my television, then shouldn't Two Towers look duller and green, as well?

It's not a gigantic difference, but certainly one that you can see when you pop in Two Towers.

[griezzel]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Please don't reply to flamebait, personal attacks and other similar type of posts, report them. If you reply all you do you is prolong the problem, make everything harder to fix, and you'll become part of the "solution".

To not be tempted to even reply to the frequent posts by certain posters, I'm making very good use of the ignore function. Some people seem to attempting to simply shout down all rational discussion of the "issue", which I find irrational (and infuriating). Perhaps those trying to silence discussion should be dealt with accordingly?

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Don't read my 'Star Wars' spoiler tag then! That one kills me every time I watch 'A New Hope'

Amazingly I still watch that film with the mentality of the young boy I was when it came out, and had never even considered that one!!!

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by griezzel

Please! The word you meant to use is SUBJECTIVELY.

You experience/perception does not negate those of others.

Oh dear, the answers from the people at Warners say 'nothing wrong' so I have to be objective in this and presume this is the case.

If I was being Subjective I would ignore the 'evidence' that Warner say is an intentional change and say, 'no- they are wrong'.

So, No I will not.

Does that help to explain?

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by jonmoz

I would assume if peoples players and receivers are saying 6.1 it's discrete,as 6.1 matrix always seems to display 5.1 on players and receivers.

Unless of course it's on the PS3.

The BDP-S570 actually displays DTS HD MA 6.1 ES matrix. The PS3 displays either codec as DTS HD MA 6.1 ES without the matrix/discrete qualifier. I'm not sure if the BDP-S570 will display DTS HD MA Discrete. It may simply show a discrete codec as DTS HD MA 6.1 ES. i.e. indicate the codec is Discrete by omission of the Matrix qualifier.

For example, T2 Skynet edition audio display is: English DTS-HD Master Audio ES 6.1 Matrix 6.1 ch 48 kHz on the BDP-S570, which is exactly the same as the display for the TE FOTR disks. The display on the PS3 slim is DTS-HD MA 6.1 ch 48 kHz for both disks. For X-Men TLS, the display on the BDP S 570 is DTS-HD Master Audio 6.1 ch 48 kHz. I believe X-Men TLS is Discrete, but I am not positive.

Here is a concise definition of the two DTS ES versions for those who are interested:

http://www.timefordvd.com/ref/dts-ES.shtml

Edit: Just got the EE. Popped in FOTR. The Audio is DTS HD MA 6.1 It is Discrete. If it were matrix, there would be a qualifier. This is on the Sony BDP S570. First impression of the audio is WOW!

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

Originally Posted by MEB

This screen shot comparison is ACCURATE when viewed on my calibrated 70" display (directly from the EE Blu-ray and the TE Blu-ray).

Personally, I think the cyan tint in that scene from the EE makes it look like it's earlier in the day.

[WorkShed]

I am truly sorry if this was brought up earlier, but it has been confirmed that the digital copy is taken off the older DVD master, correct? I only ask because I just received my digital copy of Fellowship and it definitely does not have any teal.

[karlosfunkster]

Originally Posted by WorkShed

I am truly sorry if this was brought up earlier, but it has been confirmed that the digital copy is taken off the older DVD master, correct? I only ask because I just received my digital copy of Fellowship and it definitely does not have any teal.

I guess it must be, but I read earlier in the thread that it was from the new master??

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by karlosfunkster

I guess it must be, but I read earlier in the thread that it was from the new master??

That's what I thought I read, as well. However, the snow is DEFINITELY white.

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

The BDP-S570 actually displays DTS HD MA 6.1 ES matrix. The PS3 displays either codec as DTS HD MA 6.1 ES without the matrix/discrete qualifier. I'm not sure if the BDP-S570 will display DTS HD MA Discrete. It may simply show a discrete codec as DTS HD MA 6.1 ES. i.e. indicate the codec is Discrete by omission of the Matrix qualifier.

For example, T2 Skynet edition audio display is: English DTS-HD Master Audio ES 6.1 Matrix 6.1 ch 48 kHz on the BDP-S570, which is exactly the same as the display for the TE FOTR disks. The display on the PS3 slim is DTS-HD MA 6.1 ch 48 kHz for both disks. For X-Men TLS, the display on the BDP S 570 is DTS-HD Master Audio 6.1 ch 48 kHz. I believe X-Men TLS is Discrete, but I am not positive.

Here is a concise definition of the two DTS ES versions for those who are interested:

http://www.timefordvd.com/ref/dts-ES.shtml

When I put one of the LOTR EE BDs on, my blu-ray player only displays "DTS-HD MSTR Multi" and my receiver shows "DTS-HD MSTR [3/3.1]". So are these discrete or matrix? I thought it was disrete.