The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[MerrickG]

Ken and Mark

Here is serious question:

At the end of the day what does going back and forth between the TE and EE shots of the same scene really accomplish?

Here is what I noticed is when I play the 2nd breakfast scene on my PC right next to the TE screenshots, all of the sudden that shot does become ugly green. Yet when I enlarge the screen and remove the basis of comparison all of that ugly green goes away and whites look more white and the other colors come out more, which is how the scene is intended to look and how it will look to most viewers.

It seems to me that you have done this comparison SO many times that you can no longer view the scene as it was intended to be viewed and I just dont get what that accomplishes.

Because it seems to me that all it does is put you in a position where you have no choice BUT to hate the way the scene looks, when if you had just judged it separately AS IS and not made all of those comparisons it would have looked so much better.

Please don't take this post as hostile, that was not my intention, but just as you are trying to understand why PJ did what he did I am trying to understand the same with you and everyone else who cant unsee the green.

[Petyr_Baelish]

Originally Posted by can man

I make no argument. I deal in reality. And the reality is this version of the EE FOTR is the version Jackson approved. End of story. If you want to make an argument, call Mr. Jackson and tell him you don't like his tint.

No problem. Give me his phone number.

[aherron]

Originally Posted by cdias_md

anyone see any reason to hold on to the DVD extended editions?

Still holding on to mine. Have the FOTR, TTT and ROTK (Platinum Series Special Extended Edition Collector's Gift Set). All three are still inside the neatly designed boxes with the Collectible Argonath polystone figures, Collectible Gollum polystone and Collectible polystone sculpture/keepsake box of Minas Tirith. No way am I giving those up.They all look AWESOME. And all three are a keepsake.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

The problem with this video is the fact that the reality of the new release directly contradicts many color timing choices specifically referenced in it. Rather than re-type what I've already typed I'll just quote the post I said it in, I'm pretty buzzed right now so I probably won't find the best post but whatever:

About the Appendices.
That's just the tail end of the debate though; it was talked about extensively a while back.

This video is poor evidence to use in support of the new color timing as it specifically talks about applying selective colors (or draining them) that do not apply to this release. Where they specifically talk about draining greens, in Hobbiton and the Shire for instance, it's in direct contradiction to this release's timing. They even show him removing green from Hobbiton as a rough example (and it's saturated with it now)! The consistent green tint is likewise at odds with his original philosophy (based on that video.) The featurette talks very specifically about applying certain color biases to certain scenes.... they even show a scene in Rivendell pre-graded vs. post graded. That scene's mood is drastically altered because of the consistent green bias in this new EE release compared to that example.


Anyway, I’m only an hour through RotK and I already can’t wait to rewatch Fellowship and the rest, color timing and contrast issues or not. I love these friggin movies, so at least we can all agree on that front.... and I haven't said it yet but it's also cool to see an A/V site's official reviewer (and an extremely competent one) so active in the discussion. That's a welcome rarity. I've also been drinking for a few hours so the post is a little rough. Don't have to work tomorrow, good times.

I included the Regrading Video simply to give people the opportunity to listen to Peter Jackson's opening statement regarding the "nudge" from the reality of New Zealand to the fantasy world of Middle Earth and the look he was going for in the Prancing Pony scene. The premise is that they were not entirely successful in doing that in 2001, which is why they made extensive changes to FOTR this time. My subjective conclusion, so far, is that they were successful in doing that. (I have only watched disk one of FOTR)

[scfz]

does anyone who bought the set know if it comes with chinese subtitle?
i love the set very much.....but i need the subtitle~

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by scfz

does anyone who bought the set know if it comes with chinese subtitle?
i love the set very much.....but i need the subtitle~

No Chinese subtitles. No Mandarin Subtitles. No Cantonese Subtitles.

To make it easy for you because I don't know if you're using a translation service or not I posted that first.


I've just checked my actual Fellowship of the Ring copy and the "Spoken Language" options it gives me are English and Portugese. The Subtitle options it gives me are English, Portugese, and Spanish. I'm sure this varies greatly depending on the region it's released in though, but the North American release is obviously something you would not want to pick up. The North American release only has two other options other than English, and they're both European (Spanish and Portugese.)

[PRO-630HD]

I understand that 70% of FOTR was color graded for the theater. My issue is far more than 30% of the EE bluray release had the finished color grading. The entire 100% transfer is darker know which doesn't make sense as this would have been set for 70% of the film during the original color grading. The shire in FOTR looks nothing like the shire in ROTK. The color saturation is very toned down in the latter two films although deeper black levels can easily cause a increase in color as well.

Until I hear an official statement from Jackson I am convinced of nothing. Hunt and Knowles passing second hand info do not count. If Warner screwed up on a title this big of course they are going to deny it for financial reasons! I would like a remaster sans the tinting apparently that HD broadcasters have and fixed black levels.

[MEB]

Originally Posted by merrick97

Ken and Mark

Here is serious question:

At the end of the day what does going back and forth between the TE and EE shots of the same scene really accomplish?

Remember, you ASKED...

I am a photographer and I do all of my post-processing myself. My eye is trained to spot color inaccuracies. I manually white balance a good number of my photos. Do I presume to think that I am perfect at it? No. But I am confident that my eye is better trained for color than the average person. I would not have needed screen shots to detect that the FOTR EE Blu-ray has a green/teal/cyan tint. All the early screen shots did was set me off early because of my pickiness about accurate color.

Most people were aghast at the early screen shots. Now some of them are happy because they don't see the same tint in their TV displays. The tint is still on the disc, but due to how the eye/brain works and probably due to some inaccurately adjusted displays out there, a good number of people are happy.

I am decidedly NOT happy with the transfer. I do not care if Peter Jackson approved it or not, it looks wrong. If the film had looked this way since day one and if TTT and ROTK were similarly tinted since day one I wouldn't have any complaints. Instead, we have a significant bit of revisionism going on here. Revisionism that makes the image too dark and too green/teal/cyan. It is NOT a minor change.

If we (myself and others that feel the same way) don't speak our minds then there will NEVER be a fix. I realize that may not happen despite our protestations but I'm not going to let that stop me from at least trying.

Mark

[42041]

I just watched the first film (on a Pioneer Kuro Elite plasma fed by a PS3). It looks very good. Other people have described its virtues at length and more eloquently than I could so I'll just leave it at "I agree with those guys".

Somewhat counter-intuitively, I'm now pretty much convinced the greenish-hued whites are either a mild screwup or an attempt at some kind of subliminal visual influence, because it's close to imperceptible. Whites look white, but unlike my eyes, video decoders don't lie. It seems to accomplish nothing except to make the image more dim and somewhat duller. If PJ requested that, I'm really curious what his reasoning was Initially, I tried to watch the film on my HTPC with the white-balancing/brightening filter I used to make my comparison shots with the tint removed. It was a tantalizing glimpse of a more vibrant picture, but unfortunately my computer doesn't have quite enough horsepower to process it on the fly. I'm not unhappy with the image, but I couldn't help feeling somewhat shortchanged when I put the disc in my PS3.

To anyone on the fence, I personally don't think the alleged color issues should guide your purchase. Please remember that your eyes are not colorimeters (well okay, mine aren't, some people can perceive absolute pitch, maybe some can see absolute color) and the screenshots, though technically accurate, are not very representative of the perceived colors.

(I really wish WB would re-do the theatrical cut with this master. I don't dislike the EE additions but they make me wish the movie would just get on with it already)

[scfz]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

No Chinese subtitles. No Mandarin Subtitles. No Cantonese Subtitles.

To make it easy for you because I don't know if you're using a translation service or not I posted that first.


I've just checked my actual Fellowship of the Ring copy and the "Spoken Language" options it gives me are English and Portugese. The Subtitle options it gives me are English, Portugese, and Spanish. I'm sure this varies greatly depending on the region it's released in though, but the North American release is obviously something you would not want to pick up. The North American release only has two other options other than English, and they're both European (Spanish and Portugese.)

thanks a lot
sigh.....i guess i have to buy it in hk then...but thank you for answering though

[Petyr_Baelish]

Originally Posted by 42041

I just watched the first film (on a Pioneer Kuro Elite plasma fed by a PS3). It looks very good. Other people have described its virtues at length and more eloquently than I could so I'll just leave it at "I agree with those guys".

Somewhat counter-intuitively, I'm now pretty much convinced the greenish-hued whites are either a mild screwup or an attempt at some kind of subliminal visual influence, because it's close to imperceptible. Whites look white, but unlike my eyes, video decoders don't lie. It seems to accomplish nothing except to make the image more dim and somewhat duller. If PJ requested that, I'm really curious what his reasoning was Initially, I tried to watch the film on my HTPC with the white-balancing/brightening filter I used to make my comparison shots with the tint removed. It was a tantalizing glimpse of a more vibrant picture, but unfortunately my computer doesn't have quite enough horsepower to process it on the fly. I'm not unhappy with the image, but I couldn't help feeling somewhat shortchanged when I put the disc in my PS3.

To anyone on the fence, I personally don't think the alleged color issues should guide your purchase. Please remember that your eyes are not colorimeters (well okay, mine aren't, some people can perceive absolute pitch, maybe some can see absolute color) and the screenshots, though technically accurate, are not very representative of the perceived colors.

(I really wish WB would re-do the theatrical cut with this master. I don't dislike the EE additions but they make me wish the movie would just get on with it already)

You've changed your mind too now? I don't know what to believe anymore.

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

I finished ROTK tonight. Overall, I'm quite satisfied by the quality of this box set and the transfers. The cyan tint controversy was blown out of all reasonable proportion.

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

Originally Posted by MEB

Now some of them are happy because they don't see the same tint in their TV displays.

I see the tint for the most part, and I'm still happy. I think that appears to be the majority view.

[Andrewtst]

Originally Posted by 4K display

They are not identical, the Canadian release is done by Alliance.

The slipbox has French on the front and the spine.

Each black case has a dual-sided coverart insert although the metallic printing is English side only.

As you probably already know the CAD versions have a crapload of trailers as well.

Thanks a lot this is what I finding for.

[NYorker]

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD

I understand that 70% of FOTR was color graded for the theater. My issue is far more than 30% of the EE bluray release had the finished color grading. The entire 100% transfer is darker know which doesn't make sense as this would have been set for 70% of the film during the original color grading. The shire in FOTR looks nothing like the shire in ROTK. The color saturation is very toned down in the latter two films although deeper black levels can easily cause a increase in color as well.

Until I hear an official statement from Jackson I am convinced of nothing. Hunt and Knowles passing second hand info do not count. If Warner screwed up on a title this big of course they are going to deny it for financial reasons! I would like a remaster sans the tinting apparently that HD broadcasters have and fixed black levels.

...And that is the ugly (green) truth...

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

You've changed your mind too now? I don't know what to believe anymore.

That's why you should form your own opinion and not rely on others.

[Troy73]

I own the TE blu-rays and the dvd EE and this made me want to break all my sets out and try to do some comparing. IMO, FOTR is more in line now with the color scheme of the other two films than it was before. FOTR has always seemed a bit too warm when compared to TT and ROTK. Anyone who owns and has watched these films enough knows this. I think we have just gotten used to it being this way and the change is startling. However, FOTR looks better than it ever has on any previous release to date IMO.

[-RONIN-]

Originally Posted by Troy73

That's why you should form your own opinion and not rely on others.

Words to live by

[barbatruuk]

Hey guys,

I've been reading this thread for some time now and after receiving my copy of the EE on blu i want to let you know my opinion.

First of all I wanted to say the whole 'green-discussion' has blown out of proportion.
When the first screenshots were shown over here I thought it was too green/dark, but after reading the reviews I decided the extra detail in FOTR EE should make up for the change in color.

And for me personally it did, the extra detail makes it a joy to view. I didn't even notice the color change that much at all, only in a couple of scenes, but it didn't disturb me.

If you're watching the movie with subtitels, you have a reference for white (I'm from the Netherlands, allthough I watch movies with English subs, Dutch sucks ).
This way it's easier to spot the greenish tint in some cases.

My overall verdict is: don't let the green get into your mind too much, this is the best set for LOTR.

[Underworld54]

Anyone else sick of the constant regurgitating of ideas in this thread? I swear to god I've seen people talk about the "black crush" in the Moria scene like 100 times in the last day. What's with all the repeating? It's like a bunch of parrots in here I swear.