The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[TheZoof]

Originally Posted by barbatruuk

Hey guys,
If you're watching the movie with subtitels, you have a reference for white (I'm from the Netherlands, allthough I watch movies with English subs, Dutch sucks ).
This way it's easier to spot the greenish tint in some cases.
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That's interesting. I watch it with subtitles too. I wonder if that is why I liked it too.

[Alan A]

So few directors come down from the mountain to talk to the little people i doubt we will know Jackson's thoughts or intentions with the color changes. Kevin Smith is the only director who actually invites and answers questions on his films. perhaps after the hobbit wraps somebody will get the info out of him till then we will have to live with the changes.

[Brodo Faggins]

There appears to be a few arrows missing in my copy of FOTR.

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by TheZoof

I compared the major scenes in question and 100% the color timing is different. However the presentation on the EE is much cleaner, more detailed and better overall.

Even my wife(who couldn't understand why I was doing this comparison) preferred the EE. I even played a trick on her by putting EE in three times in a row and she always picked the EE version of looking better.

No offense, but the "lay person" review doesn't mean that the EE is perfect. I would love to have the ability to show people a version without the tint and then one with the tint and have them choose that way. We can only do screenshots for the time being.

Unfortunately, the only option we have now is to compare the TE with the EE and the detail enhancement in the EE will blow the TE out of the water every time.

Originally Posted by Alan A

So few directors come down from the mountain to talk to the little people i doubt we will know Jackson's thoughts or intentions with the color changes. Kevin Smith is the only director who actually invites and answers questions on his films. perhaps after the hobbit wraps somebody will get the info out of him till then we will have to live with the changes.

Jackson is pretty active on his Facebook page, but I do think that his understandably busy schedule with The Hobbit would probably slow down his ability to answer questions (especially if he is in the middle of figuring out a solution with WHV). I know I'm speculating but it's what I'm thinking since we don't have a definitive answer from Jackson himself.

Originally Posted by Brodo Faggins

There appears to be a few arrows missing in my copy of FOTR.

Check your back!

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by Alan A

So few directors come down from the mountain to talk to the little people i doubt we will know Jackson's thoughts or intentions with the color changes. Kevin Smith is the only director who actually invites and answers questions on his films. perhaps after the hobbit wraps somebody will get the info out of him till then we will have to live with the changes.

wow... I always thought PJ was one of those directors... he's just super busy with The Hobbit right now.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by Brodo Faggins

There appears to be a few arrows missing in my copy of FOTR.

Hahahahah - DNR scrub! Rut roe!

[Sagacious Koreo]

The hobbits seem taller too.

[DarkDune]

For the record, I am more than pissed off at these FOTR color and black level changes. We can probably all agree that the trilogy really depends on how everything was introduced in FOTR. Peter Jackson got it all more than right in the theatrical release, and then EE release on DVD made it even better for all fans -- even more so those fans of the books.

But the color and black level changes in the FOTR EE Blu are almost stomach turning IMVHO.

I hope they see the need, and listen to fan demand, and produce a re-issue of the FOTR EE Blu. It would not be the first major release that demanded -- and received -- a re-print.

Has anybody at all commented that these changes are an improvement?!?!

[Velmeran]

Originally Posted by DarkDune

Has anybody at all commented that these changes are an improvement?!?!

Yes, lots of people (myself included) feel the majority of the color grade changes are an improvement.

My guess is you'll be waiting for a loooooong time if you expect to see a complete flip back to the previous color grading. The debate can rage until the end of time about the global green tint being correct or not, but I don't see anybody trying to deny that in general the color timings are what PJ wants/wanted.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by radagast

Anyone watch Jeopardy last night? The final question was this: What country, in 2003, issued 50 cent pieces featuring Gollum, Frodo, Gandalf, and Aragorn? I could have won a fortune.

If there were Arwen coins, I might pick up a few.

[Velmeran]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

If there were Arwen coins, I might pick up a few.

I was curious about these coins, did a quick google search and turns out they had about 18 unique ones, so I wouldn't be surprised if Arwen got one.

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

You've changed your mind too now? I don't know what to believe anymore.

Originally Posted by Troy73

That's why you should form your own opinion and not rely on others.

Post of the day.

Boone, when you do finally see it for yourself keep an open mind. Don't go in watching it trying to find the green tint and do needless screenshot comparisons.

Just sit back back. Grab your favorite beer and just watch. I am quite confident that when you see it for yourself you will be sick to your stomach asking what all the fuss was about. The color palette IMO looks great and you won't be disappointed.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

Yes, lots of people (myself included) feel the majority of the color grade changes are an improvement.

My take on the issue is that the vast majority of people will not have a problem with the new tint/contrast change. We all embrace the improvement in clarity and detail. Those of us who have seen Fellowship many (many) times will absolutely notice a difference, but we will eventually adjust to it. We may wonder why the colors are different, and especially why Jackson chose to make the entire film darker, but a director will do what he wants. It's kind of like purchasing new glasses with a resulting improvement in vision, and then seeing your sister after she dyes her hair. Now on to "Towers"!

[Blu Titan]

LOTR EE has been the #1 Blu-ray/DVD seller in amazon for days now:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/dvd

[Gremal]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

If the tint is intentional (rather than simply an oversight present in a director-approved transfer), then Jackson must have had a specific, artistic, thematic or intentional reason for adding it.

While we're engaging in conjecture, I might float the idea that Jackson and the principals at Warner know other versions are coming, and they want to maximize sales of the future versions. They maximized sales of the theatrical versions, now the extended versions. Probably the titles will be released individually. Probably they will also be bundled with the Hobbit and the Hobbit II years from now when they are on Blu-ray. If fans have motivation to get the "non-green tint" version of FotR, sales will be better on those future editions.

[DarkDune]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

Yes, lots of people (myself included) feel the majority of the color grade changes are an improvement.

My guess is you'll be waiting for a loooooong time if you expect to see a complete flip back to the previous color grading. The debate can rage until the end of time about the global green tint being correct or not, but I don't see anybody trying to deny that in general the color timings are what PJ wants/wanted.

Can you direct me to your posts about why you feel it is improved? I watched the FOTR for the first time -- not completely yet -- yesterday, and was really thrown off. I may come to like it, but I did really like the DVD EE version, and the differences are startling to me.

Or, could you elaborate a bit on what you feel is improved, and then I could go back and see if I can agree.

Thanks!

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Troy73

Was it France? I can't remember.

Originally Posted by Underworld54

Easiest. Question. Ever.

No kidding. I laughed out loud. Since England doesn't have 50 cent pieces, the ONLY choice was obvious.

NZ.

[DarkDune]

Originally Posted by Gremal

While we're engaging in conjecture, I might float the idea that Jackson and the principals at Warner know other versions are coming, and they want to maximize sales of the future versions. They maximized sales of the theatrical versions, now the extended versions. Probably the titles will be released individually. Probably they will also be bundled with the Hobbit and the Hobbit II years from now when they are on Blu-ray. If fans have motivation to get the "non-green tint" version of FotR, sales will be better on those future editions.

I disagree. How many blus have gone through a remastering because of issues?!?! Quite a few. Here are some:

Saving Private Ryan - Sapphire Edition Blu
Gladiator - Sapphire Edition Blu

Those are the one's that come to mind, and all that was needed was to bring them back to the store for an exchange...in some cases months after release!

PJ could authorize it if there really was a mistake made.

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

My guess is you'll be waiting for a loooooong time if you expect to see a complete flip back to the previous color grading. The debate can rage until the end of time about the global green tint being correct or not, but I don't see anybody trying to deny that in general the color timings are what PJ wants/wanted.

It all depends on what Jackson has to say. If he says something like "we're looking into the issue" it means that a replacement is coming. If he says "I intentionally changed the contrast and added a teal tint because..." then probably not.

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

Those of us who have seen Fellowship many (many) times will absolutely notice a difference, but we will eventually adjust to it. We may wonder why the colors are different, and especially why Jackson chose to make the entire film darker, but a director will do what he wants.

Now on to "Towers"!

I really want to know your thoughts on Towers compared to Fellowship. It honestly is an almost night-and-day difference for me.

Given Peter Jackson's track record, I doubt that he would have made such a sweeping change to the overall palate of the film. It doesn't really fit in his style given the appearance of King Kong and The Lovely Bones, which had very specific grading and weren't underexposed digitally.

Originally Posted by kingkong650

Anybody with the blu-ray and interested in giving it a try yourselves or just curious about how it would look without the green tint, send me a PM and i'll let you know how to proceed.

PM sent.

[AVfile]

Originally Posted by 4K display

They are not identical, the Canadian release is done by Alliance.

The slipbox has French on the front and the spine.

Each black case has a dual-sided coverart insert although the metallic printing is English side only.

As you probably already know the CAD versions have a crapload of trailers as well.

Not as bad as their previous releases. I like how they minimized the bilingualism. But extra trailers WTF!?

I'm guessing the discs have different hub numbers. Do they have the green-teal tint problem too?