The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Originally Posted by Karl Murks

What shocks me about the whole situation is still, how much it is downplayed by people who should fight for the customer to get the best possible product but here all they did was swallow the corporate line wholesale, director approved or not..

Sod off with this BS. I recognize it's there but I like it and I don't care if the TE has different coloring. The fact is that the TE BD is riddled with excessive DNR and has very little detail. That's why I bought the EE BD, not because of some statement a useless studio presented in defending its product. The coloring doesn't bother me except in a few instances. To me it looks so much better than the alternative, which is a shoddy inferior version of the film. But don't let this get in the way of your bleating and sticking it to the studio.

[Karl Murks]

'Better' is relative and it's very much up to subjective perception. So in effect you are willing to trade one defect for another (yes, the green is very much a defect for me!) I am not. I want something that has the original sparkling colors plus the new detail, not this horrible green drab mess.

As it is I'd very much keep the DVDs if I still had them.

[amoergosum]

Here's a question to the forum members who're defending the tint >>>
So you believe that it's intended by Peter Jackson.
How do you explain that the tint (+ underexposure) is only present
in FOTR ?

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Originally Posted by Karl Murks

'Better' is relative and it's very much up to subjective perception. So in effect you are willing to trade one defect for another (yes, the green is very much a defect for me!) I am not. I want something that has the original sparkling colors plus the new detail, not this horrible green drab mess.

As it is I'd very much keep the DVDs if I still had them.

For Christ's sake. "Defect" implies accidental error, of which there's no evidence to support except for conspiratorial nonsense.

[nathan_393]

Originally Posted by amoergosum

Here's a question to the forum members who're defending the tint >>>
So you believe that it's intended by Peter Jackson.
How do you explain that the tint (+ underexposure) is only present
in FOTR ?

I don't understand why people believe he had to change all three films because he changed one. I'm not defending the tint, but I don't really think the argument is valid. Colour timing was only used on 70% of FOTR, and they had the ability to use it for the entirety of TTT and ROTK. So I'd imagine the change came from that.

The other argument that I have, which I believe to be at least a little more valid, is that FOTR never looked similar to the other two. Now, it looks more similar because of the changed colour timing. The new tint, who knows what's going on there. There's a myriad of reasons why it could be there and a million for why it shouldn't be there. But while FOTR doesn't look quite right compared to its brothers, it's a damn sight closer than it was before imho.

[gregmasciola]

Originally Posted by MEB

...
This is the actual FOTR EE screen shot:

[Show spoiler]

This is the actual FOTR TE screen shot:

[Show spoiler]

All I can say is when I watched the movie, that moment looked more like a cross between those two shots.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

So this means that the digital copies from iTunes were taken from the DVD transfers rather than the BD transfers, right?

Or... the digital copy that went to iTunes was from the original master, sans tinting!

Ok, not very likely, but one can hope.

[amoergosum]

Originally Posted by nathan_393

I don't understand why people believe he had to change all three films because he changed one.

Consistency.
I mean...we're not talking about Die Hard 1-4 here.

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Originally Posted by amoergosum

Consistency.
I mean...we're not talking about Die Hard 1-4 here.

Man, Soderbergh should be chastised for using two different aspect ratios for Che. CONSISTENCY.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by radagast

For anyone who is dissatisfied with the look of the EE FOTR BD, go to here and tell WB:

http://www.warnerbros.com/main/help/...r_service.html

Instead of saying the same complaints here over and over, tell WB for heaven's sake.

I recommend everyone do it. Even if you're not totally appalled by this transfer (I can live with it, but I believe it was a mistake), but would like the option of a disc exchange, go ahead and type out a short, polite message informing them of your feelings on the matter.

There really is no sense beating this dead horse of "IT'S GREEN, LOOK AT YET ANOTHER SET OF SCREENSHOTS" or "I DON'T SEE THE GREEN IT'S PERFECT PETER JACKSON TOLD US SO NYAH NYAH".

We get it already.

The green is there. It bothers some more than others. Simple as that.

People need to stop with this repetitive nonsense already and let it die until we get a statement from PJ. Until then, voice your concerns to WHV as many times as you can (make up email addresses after the first one). Barring that, at least take the topic in a new direction, or start some kind of online petition or something. Do something constructive instead of this circular arguing that never gets anyone anywhere.

The squeaky wheel gets the grease, and history is on our side that if we cry and moan loudly enough about this one, something might be done.

No harm or offense intended, I just think everyone needs to take a step back and a deep breath and realize how silly it is for grown men to continue on and on like this.

Cheers.

[nathan_393]

Originally Posted by amoergosum

Consistency.
I mean...we're not talking about Die Hard 1-4 here.

But the changes he made to FOTR often make it look more consistent with the other films, not less. Consider Rivendell, for instance. And perhaps it'll look even more consistent with The Hobbit.

Some scenes aren't so consistent anymore, I'll agree, but others are more so.

Beyond that, why are people complaining about a blanket tint if they want consistency?

[Harlock415]

Finally got a chance to watch FOTR on my set today and yep, the green tint was definitely there, more teal actually. I saw it in the snow. And I was one of those who saw it in the event screenings a couple weeks ago too. And it definitely did not have that teal to the white snow as snow was definitely white.

Well I decided to see what my settings were for my set and as always it was set for the movie/cinema setting and it's color temp was cool. I turned it to "normal" and suddenly the teal was gone. Snow was white as it should have been. My guess can only be that when the movie was color timed it was to accommodate such a setting.

But simply changing it to Normal viewing made an incredible difference to me.

My set is the VIZIO XVT553SV LED Full Array

and my Blu-ray Player is the Oppo BDP-83SE

[CGHULK]

Originally Posted by Farid

I have also sent an e-mail to Warner Bros

Ditto.

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by amoergosum

Here's a question to the forum members who're defending the tint >>>
So you believe that it's intended by Peter Jackson.
How do you explain that the tint (+ underexposure) is only present
in FOTR ?

It's not so much defending the "green tint" as it is commenting on the FACT that it has been blown way out of proportion by some members on here. Using words like travesty, horrible and defect. The statement from WB has been issued and called PR BS. The truth is, even if PJ makes an official statement as to the change being what he wants that won't even be good enough. Just by reading these posts and there language it is clear that nothing short of what the people complaining on this thread "want" to see in these films will suffice.

Now, I don't mean for this to come off too harsh, but, because you can't get a satisfactory answer from all the reviewers and WB itself, the forum members, like myself, who have no issue with FOTR owe you some answer? Who exactly are you? Do get over yourself and move on if you can't accept what's been put before you as facts and analysis.

[Harlock415]

Originally Posted by Troy73

It's not so much defending the "green tint" as it is commenting on the FACT that it has been blown way out of proportion by some members on here. Using words like travesty, horrible and defect. The statement from WB has been issued and called PR BS. The truth is, even if PJ makes an official statement as to the change being what he wants that won't even be good enough. Just by reading these posts and there language it is clear that nothing short of what the people complaining on this thread "want" to see in these films will suffice.

Now, I don't mean for this to come off too harsh, but, because you can't get a satisfactory answer from all the reviewers and WB itself, the forum members, like myself, who have no issue with FOTR owe you some answer? Who exactly are you? Do get over yourself and move on if you can't accept what's been put before you as facts and analysis.

I saw the tint, and made one simple adjustment, and it was gone. It's not like I had to do a complete recalibration. So I don't have a problem with it.

[PGW]

Originally Posted by Troy73

It's not so much defending the "green tint" as it is commenting on the FACT that it has been blown way out of proportion by some members on here. Using words like travesty, horrible and defect. The statement from WB has been issued and called PR BS. The truth is, even if PJ makes an official statement as to the change being what he wants that won't even be good enough. Just by reading these posts and there language it is clear that nothing short of what the people complaining on this thread "want" to see in these films will suffice.

Now, I don't mean for this to come off too harsh, but, because you can't get a satisfactory answer from all the reviewers and WB itself, the forum members, like myself, who have no issue with FOTR owe you some answer? Who exactly are you? Do get over yourself and move on if you can't accept what's been put before you as facts and analysis.

Oh, I'm so sorry. I didn't realize that only certain opinions are tolerated here.

In fact, I'm reasonably sure that I, myself, have described FOTR as "horrible." Three reasons why...

1. It's green.
2. It's GREEN.
3. IT'S F'ING GRRRREEEEEEEENNNNNNN!!!!!!

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Sagacious Koreo

HAHA, this thread is so great. I placed a bet with someone to see whether this thread makes it to 415 pages by tomorrow morning.

You lost the bet, only at 408

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by PGW

Oh, I'm so sorry. I didn't realize that only certain opinions are tolerated here.

In fact, I'm reasonably sure that I, myself, have described FOTR as "horrible." Three reasons why...

1. It's green.
2. It's GREEN.
3. IT'S F'ING GRRRREEEEEEEENNNNNNN!!!!!!

Gotta love it when the responses from certain members illustrate my point far better than I could have. Thank You Sir.

Your post is the exact example of why this discussion keeps circling. You bring nothing but one sided complaining to the thread. The green tint is one issue, black crush is another. Another forum member spotted a "white hair" that you have to go frame by frame to even see. I mean who does this crap? I watch my movies in "play" mode not "pause," "play," "pause"...After reading these asinine posts that's when I roll my eyes and go WTF? Not because the issues don't exist but because people are going out of their way to find problems. If you look hard enough at anything flaws can be found, even if their only perceived flaws by a few individuals.

[CrescentMoon]

Originally Posted by Troy73

The green tint is one issue, black crush is another. Another forum member spotted a "white hair" that you have to go frame by frame to even see. I mean who does this crap? I watch my movies in "play" mode not pause, play, pause...After reading these asine posts that's when I roll my eyes and go WTF? Not because the issues don't exist but because people are going out of their way to find problems. If you look hard enough at anything flaws can be found, even if their only perceived flaws by a few individuals.

Because of that kind of people, you can enjoy your movies in better and better quality. If nobody cared, you'd still be watching upconverted DVDs and old low resolution masters as BDs...

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by CrescentMoon

Because of that kind of people, you can enjoy your movies in better and better quality. If nobody cared, you'd still be watching upconverted DVDs and old low resolution masters as BDs...

Really?....I mean Really? That's like saying the reason there are airbags in cars is because people don't wear seat belts. The reality is technology advances and becomes better and better. The case in this thread is you have members who are upset because this transfer is not what they wanted it to be and they harshly critique it.