The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Lope de Aguirre]

I also wrote them.

And sure you can be suspicious even after Peter Jackson himself CLEARLY states that he wanted the film this way.
(because it is possible that they only want to avoid an exchange program)

But I for myself will be satfisfied when he does so (that means I will believe them that it is intentional not that I suddenly will like what I see).
That means that he should make clear that he does not react in the spirit

WB: "numerous people complain about the new colors"
Jackson: "I changed them. There are fine"

It has to come across that he either explains roughly what he did and why (so we can check if this fits with the colors we have on the disc) or that he sampled the actual Blu-Ray long enough to verify that it is the coloring he wanted/changed.

[Karl Murks]

Originally Posted by Lope de Aguirre

It has to come across that he either explains roughly what he did and why (so we can check if this fits with the colors we have on the disc) or that he sampled the actual Blu-Ray long enough to verify that it is the coloring he wanted/changed.

That's precisely what is needed to end the debate. Nothing more, nothing less.

If he confirms it I'd still be disappointed though and wouldn't hesitate to tell him in very clear (but polite) words but it'd at least clear things up.

I think more than anything else, people want to know why the movie is suddenly drenched in green. And so far no satisfactory answer has been given.

[StormCrow]

Hi all,

Been following this discussion here and posting a bit at AVS on their thread.

I just registered here. Really impressed by the participation on this site!

Has it been mentioned that even the BR Menu on FOTR shows the greenish hue?

If you load FOTR, TTT and ROTK. On TTT and ROTK, the Menu bar and open book page have the same hue (Maybe slight blue? But, looks clean and bright). But, FOTR menu bar and open book page is not the same (Greenish and more dim.). Why would they have continuity on 2 and 3, then have 1 look different on even the menus?

Last night when checking each of these, I had mistakenly put in FOTR, thinking it was the ROTK disc. For a split second, I was concerned that the menu on ROTK was greenish like FOTR, as it didn't look clean like TTT. (It was late guys.) When I saw it was actually FOTR, it just further enforced that something was amiss with this disc. Especially when I found ROTK menus hue looks like TTT.


The other thing I noticed was an odd effect when Gandalf is with Saruman at Orthanc, in the windowed chamber.

It was here that I saw quite a bit of green tinge on their hair and beards. I brought up tint/hue control and moved towards red. I was shocked to see the green get even more intense. I then moved the hue towards green and this caused the green to diminish and get blue as I went further to green.

The controls have the expected effect in other scenes, etc. I'm using a PS3-HDMI to DVI on a Sony 65WV700.

[MEB]

Originally Posted by gregmasciola

All I can say is when I watched the movie, that moment looked more like a cross between those two shots.

Then your TV is not accurately reproducing what is on the Blu-ray disc. That also means every other Blu-ray you watch isn't being faithfully reproduced on your TV. If you are happy with that that's fine because that is your choice.

Mark

[danny_boy]

Stop whining and start writing!


Peter Jackson
WingNut Films
P.O Box 15-208
Miramar
Wellington
New Zealand

[MEB]

Originally Posted by Troy73

I mean who does this crap? I watch my movies in "play" mode not "pause," "play," "pause"...After reading these asinine posts that's when I roll my eyes and go WTF? Not because the issues don't exist but because people are going out of their way to find problems. If you look hard enough at anything flaws can be found, even if their only perceived flaws by a few individuals.

The GREEN tint is EVERY bit as obvious to me when the movie is in motion as it is when the movie is paused. Pausing the movie changes NOTHING.

The screen shots are 100% indicative of what is encoded on the Blu-ray disc.

Mark

[Falcon Eddie]

All this rubbish is a load of bollocks! I watched half the movie on a non calibrated Pioneer Elite 50" and I did not see any of this green tint AT ALL. I did see a smidgen of a green tint on the menu book, but hardly noticeable. I saw that one scene with the horse, hobbits and snow and it was not anywhere near as bad as what was shown in that screen capture. I would wager that screen capture was a load of bollocks too. It may be some flat panels and the way they are adjusted is causing more or less of an issue, but on my panel I am not having any such problems. The film and the transfer look great! All this rubbish is a load of bollocks!

[goshikisen]

Originally Posted by CinemaScope

These films weren't made in the 40's, they're just a couple of years old, they should look stunning, STUNNING! People shouldn't be saying, oh it's not too bad, I can live with it, I can adjust my AV kit to get around it. And those who are complaining are not whinning knit-pickers, they're customers!

I had reservations about the colour issues but after watching the FOTR EE BD I need not have worried about the quality of the release. It IS stunning! I don't feel this is a compromise... it looks the way I hoped it would. I suppose some of the darker scenes may be a tad too dark but, at the end of the day (forgive the pun), the night is supposed to be dark so no worries.

I think the colour-grading issue has been overstated... LOTR looks stellar on BD.

p.s. the only thing that pisses me off about the Canadian / Alliance release is the plethora of previews at the beginning of the discs... there should be NO previews at all... especially for movies that will be forgotten a few months down the line. If I had known Alliance was going to tack these things on to the releases I would have bought the dics over the border. Oh well...

[lemonski]

Originally Posted by Karl Murks

So? The entire complaint some people have is 'it's green!' You can discuss this for several hundred pages, it still boils down to that one simple sentence. Of course it goes in circles because the entire discussion is to make it clear to people having no problem with it is that others do in fact have a problem with it.

It's patently clear that people have a problem with it...the same people going on about it ad nauseum is neither going to change anything nor engender much sympathy from anyone who doesn't think there's a problem with it

Originally Posted by Karl Murks

Making fun of such things is rude. Just wait until you have a problem with some disc in the future where a large and loud majority does not care (or as here tries with almost insane passion to end the debate) and nothing happens. How would that feel?

I'd post once or twice, and then I'd get on with my life...so it would feel fine.

Originally Posted by Karl Murks

So is watching your favorite movie in a version that is completely botched. Which for some is what the green tint means. I found it ugly beyond all comprehension and there is no way I could ever enjoy watching it like that.

If you can't enjoy it as it is - that's your problem. If your want to fritter away your time on earth writing endless, futile posts rehashing the same pointless arguments, or haranguing Warner Bros and PJ in a vain attempt to get a disc exchange, you go right ahead. A fool and his time are easily parted.

[PGW]

Originally Posted by Troy73

Gotta love it when the responses from certain members illustrate my point far better than I could have. Thank You Sir.

Your post is the exact example of why this discussion keeps circling. You bring nothing but one sided complaining to the thread.

"One sided complaining"? HUH? What's THAT supposed to mean? Am I supposed to say something NICE about the pukey green tint everytime I mention how much I hate it? Yeah, sure.

I've got a better idea. Why don't you let other people express their opinions without insulting them, and offering up repeated posts that don't even address any issues with the LOTR blu-rays, but simply exist for no other reason than to whine that you're being "forced" to read opinions you don't want to hear?

[amoergosum]

Originally Posted by air453

I have to agree with those saying theirs does not have the tint. I work at post-production house in Virginia, and after reading online and seeing the screenshots, I was interested in checking this out at work.

As soon as the extended edition blurays arrived, I brought it in and we hooked it up to our brand-new 50" Panasonic 3D plasma. I watched the opening scenes with our main online editor, who does the bulk of our color correction.

We decided the easiest shot to judge would be the white titles that say "Fellowship of the Ring". We paused, stared at it, and sure enough, they were pure-white on our monitor, and looked absolutely nothing like the screengrabs we've seen of this same moment. Either someone is faking the screengrabs and creating a big fuss for fun, or the discs I received are different than what others are receiving.

I do agree that some shots have different color timing, as we've all heard was done and approved by Jackson and Lesnie, and so far it seems for the better. Some shots appear to have a more green emphasis in the blacks, while some actually seem warmer than they did before (Sauron exploding; which, by the way, partially from the detail and partially from the color, looks better than I've ever seen it).

Also, these films never had perfectly-balanced color in the originals anyway, as Jackson said in the "color grading" special feature that he wanted "nudge" the real landscapes of New Zealand a little more towards Middle-Earth and make it seem more fantasy and mythical.

I've seen many screenshots (FOTR) from several editions and they all
look the same...they all have that tint.

[Karl Murks]

Originally Posted by Falcon Eddie

All this rubbish is a load of bollocks!

Sorry, so is your ignorant post. What is it with you thickheaded people constantly skipping the most important thing at work here:

subjective color perception.

Some people are not particularly sensitive and won't see a problem here. You are obviously part of this group. Consider yourself lucky then.

Others are not. They can't tune out the green tint. They see the green throughout the entire 200 minutes runtime and it will be a constant annoyance.

[Falcon Eddie]

Originally Posted by Karl Murks

Sorry, so is your ignorant post. What is it with you thickheaded people constantly skipping the most important thing at work here:

subjective color perception.

Some people are not particularly sensitive and won't see a problem here. You are obviously part of this group. Consider yourself lucky then.

Others are not. They can't tune out the green tint. They see the green throughout the entire 200 minutes runtime and it will be a constant annoyance.

You are a liar and you are the problem here, nobody else. I said my screen does not exhibit this tint and IT DOES NOT. I am not color blind or any other such thing you are trying to shove down people's throats.

[amoergosum]

Originally Posted by MEB

The GREEN tint is EVERY bit as obvious to me when the movie is in motion as it is when the movie is paused. Pausing the movie changes NOTHING.

The screen shots are 100% indicative of what is encoded on the Blu-ray disc.

Mark

I agree. For those who haven't purchased the EE yet....here's
a YouTube comparison (the colors are accurate) >>>

YouTube - ‪★LOTR - (Blu-ray) Theatrical vs Extended (Comparison)★‬‏

[amoergosum]

Originally Posted by Falcon Eddie

I said my screen does not exhibit this tint and IT DOES NOT. I am not color blind or any other such thing you are trying to shove down people's throats.

Well...the calibration of your screen has to be off then.
The tint can't magically disappear.

[Karl Murks]

Originally Posted by lemonski

It's patently clear that people have a problem with it...the same people going on about it ad nauseum is neither going to change anything nor engender much sympathy from anyone who doesn't think there's a problem with it

I call them ignorant. Essentially it's one of the biggest problems in the world that too many people don't care about problems others have and in turn do their best to prevent fixing these problems because it might cause a slight inconvenience to them. Granted, this is just a movie that's hardly essential for life but it's still the same attitude running rampant on a smaller scale.

Originally Posted by lemonski

I'd post once or twice, and then I'd get on with my life...so it would feel fine.

Let's wait and see what happens if this occured with something you care about. It's easy to be dismissive if one is not affected by such things.

Originally Posted by lemonski

If you can't enjoy it as it is - that's your problem. If your want to fritter away your time on earth writing endless, futile posts rehashing the same pointless arguments, or haranguing Warner Bros and PJ in a vain attempt to get a disc exchange, you go right ahead. A fool and his time are easily parted.

The fool is the one who lets others make the decisions for him, not the one who tries to actively make things change. So such fights might not yield a result but the worst thing is losing a battle because one does not want to fight for a positive outcome.

[mzupeman]

Originally Posted by air453

I have to agree with those saying theirs does not have the tint. I work at post-production house in Virginia, and after reading online and seeing the screenshots, I was interested in checking this out at work.

As soon as the extended edition blurays arrived, I brought it in and we hooked it up to our brand-new 50" Panasonic 3D plasma. I watched the opening scenes with our main online editor, who does the bulk of our color correction.

We decided the easiest shot to judge would be the white titles that say "Fellowship of the Ring". We paused, stared at it, and sure enough, they were pure-white on our monitor, and looked absolutely nothing like the screengrabs we've seen of this same moment. Either someone is faking the screengrabs and creating a big fuss for fun, or the discs I received are different than what others are receiving.

Also, these films never had perfectly-balanced color in the originals anyway, as Jackson said in the "color grading" special feature that he wanted "nudge" the real landscapes of New Zealand a little more towards Middle-Earth and make it seem more fantasy and mythical.

Well... I guess working at a post-production house doesn't actually qualify you to have very good eyes, or at least, properly calibrated equipment. Can you tell us the name of this post-production house so we can refer major studios never to refer anyone to your company? Because, come on... really? The green tint doesnt' bother me much, and I think it actually improves upon much of the film, but you have GOT to be kidding. If your color correction guy can't tell what pure white looks like, I'd suggest you tell that 79 year old with Coke bottle lensed glasses to go into retirement. And also, "It's either a hoax or we have different discs than everyone else!" Hooo boy.

Jackson did say that's what he wanted out of FOTR though, you're right about that, and that explains the green tint.

[air453]

Well, shit, now I feel like a fool. I have to retract some of what I said. The sickly green tint does not appear in the titles on my disc, which I thought would be a great place to judge. However, I had only watched the 1st disc...

Then, in the 2nd disc we come to Caradhras, and the color is wildly different from what I remember. It's also inconsistent from shot to shot. The first helicopter shot of them on the snowy mountain is now very blue (at 7:22), while most of the shots from the rest of the scene are greenish, such as when Aragorn picks up Frodo (7:36). I put my DVD copy back in afterwards, which I hadn't looked at in a while, and it looked properly balanced again.

These changes are so dramatic, though, that it seems it has to be at least partly intentional. That first blue shot of the mountain is not just a subtle color tint, but a completely new timing. A green tint may exacerbate the issue, though. I do not like the way this scene looks at all now.

I apologize for posting before watching the second disc, as I don't want to pour on more confusion and frustration to this topic. I do think the titles screengrab is wrong, but the Caradhras screengrabs seem accurate to me.

Edit: I should have said I only watched that part of the 1st disc (the prologue and titles), and then skipped to Caradhras. Having since watched the entire film straight through, the tint is obvious. I apologize for the quick judgement.

[Falcon Eddie]

Originally Posted by amoergosum

Well...the calibration of your screen has to be off then.
The tint can't magically disappear.

My flat panel has the most accurate color representation out of the box of any set. Look up the history of the last version of the 50" Elite. You do not know what you are talking about and you proved that by the statement of my screen not accurately representing colors. You are wrong and so is this garbage you are serving up.

[mzupeman]

Originally Posted by amoergosum

Here's a question to the forum members who're defending the tint >>>
So you believe that it's intended by Peter Jackson.
How do you explain that the tint (+ underexposure) is only present
in FOTR ?

Maybe I'm foolish to side with common sense but uh, perhaps that's the only film of the three he actually wanted to go back and color time the way he'd prefer?

As I said earlier in the thread, FOTR, although in editing went smoothly compared to the other two, had a lot going on. The entire foundation for the story and what would happen in the second and the third films had to be piece together flawlessly... no easy task. Sometime after production for the films began is when Jackson decided to have Extended Editions. The man had slept 4 hours a night, and I'm sure he eventually got into a comfortable enough swing by the time he was working on the second film and all, but he probably just didn't have time to do what he wanted with FOTR.