The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Why wasn't FotR completely color timed in the first place?

[42041]

Originally Posted by JLTucker

I keep seeing posts about 70% grading. Can someone explain what is meant by this?

70% of the film was scanned into digital files and color graded digitally. Keep in mind that this was pretty early DI work, the process wasn't widespread at the time. The rest was done using traditional photochemical printing and color timing.

The second and third films were done completely digitally.

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by DarkDune

Here are some images taken from the iTunes Digital Copy of the Lord of the Rings Extended Edition of FOTR-- apparently this Digital Copy does not "suffer" from the added "green". When you watch the Blus for the FOTR, see if it looks like those below:

The One Ring, in the White and Slightly Blueish Snow:



Bilbo's Sign - Aged Paper (Not White, and Not Greenish):

Notice the Detail, and rich color



Ring Wraith Revealed in Blue-Grey Ghostly (not green) Glory - or Horror!



Gandalf in Rivendell - Rich Color, Not Greenish



Gandalf in the Snow!



Apparently, the Windows Media version of the FOTR EE DOES suffer from the green tints. We are not told if the iTunes Digital Copy came from the same master created for the Blus, but it would be logical to think that the Digital Copies all were created from the same master as the Blus. Of course, there was no such thing as a Digital Copy when the DVDs of the EEs came out, but it is possible that the iTunes Digtial Copies were created from the DVD masters. But if that were the case, then the Windows Media files would have likely also been created from the same master as the iTunes one. So why "greenish" on the Windows version, and the Blu, and NOT on the iTunes version?!?!

It boggles the mind, but DOES point to a mistake being made SOMEWHERE in the authoring of all of these media. So I think we are all more than justified in requesting a proper explanantion, and not just a quick press release from WB PR.

Finally, here is that shot of Boromir from the FOTR EE Digital Copy, and the one HeKS is using to show what the "green" tint is doing:

Boromir in the Snow! - iTunes Digital Copy



What the "green" tint looks like on the Blu of FOTR

OH MY GOD!!!!!!!! Look at all that DNR!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DarkDune]

Originally Posted by merrick97

OH MY GOD!!!!!!!! Look at all that DNR!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL

It is from a Digital Copy, not a Blu. 1.5GB compared to up to 50GB Still you would "think" the Digital Copies are generated from the same masters as the Blus. Of course the inconsistencies are what is at issue here. Someone made a mistake in authoring all the media for FOTR.

[HD Goofnut]

I finally watched FOTR on my 46" Sharp from which I sit about 6' away from and I was extremely impressed. My HDTV is calibrated as I did it myself using DVE and the green tint is nowhere near as noticeable as some people here have made it out to be. I went back and looked at some of the screen caps in this thread and they did not look like what I was watching. Yes, there is a slight green tint, but if I had not been looking for it I probably never would have noticed it. I even paused it and and went through some frames during the second breakfast scene and it honestly did not look like the green nightmare that people have been showing. I believe that some of the people in this thread either have incorrectly calibrated monitors/HDTVs or they aren't calibrated at all.

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by Lope de Aguirre

Here is my translation of the German Saturn notification:

I do find this interesting. We will see what comes of it. Probably nothing, but we shall see.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by DarkDune

Here are some images taken from the iTunes Digital Copy of the Lord of the Rings Extended Edition of FOTR-- apparently this Digital Copy does not "suffer" from the added "green". When you watch the Blus for the FOTR, see if it looks like those below:

The One Ring, in the White and Slightly Blueish Snow:



Bilbo's Sign - Aged Paper (Not White, and Not Greenish):

Notice the Detail, and rich color



Ring Wraith Revealed in Blue-Grey Ghostly (not green) Glory - or Horror!



Gandalf in Rivendell - Rich Color, Not Greenish



Gandalf in the Snow!



Apparently, the Windows Media version of the FOTR EE DOES suffer from the green tints. We are not told if the iTunes Digital Copy came from the same master created for the Blus, but it would be logical to think that the Digital Copies all were created from the same master as the Blus. Of course, there was no such thing as a Digital Copy when the DVDs of the EEs came out, but it is possible that the iTunes Digtial Copies were created from the DVD masters. But if that were the case, then the Windows Media files would have likely also been created from the same master as the iTunes one. So why "greenish" on the Windows version, and the Blu, and NOT on the iTunes version?!?!

It boggles the mind, but DOES point to a mistake being made SOMEWHERE in the authoring of all of these media. So I think we are all more than justified in requesting a proper explanantion, and not just a quick press release from WB PR.

Finally, here is that shot of Boromir from the FOTR EE Digital Copy, and the one HeKS is using to show what the "green" tint is doing:

Boromir in the Snow! - iTunes Digital Copy



What the "green" tint looks like on the Blu of FOTR -- SEE HOW DETAIL AND CLARITY ARE LOST IN THE "GREENISH" VERSIONS?!?!

Aragorn, not Boromir

[DarkDune]

Originally Posted by JLTucker

Why wasn't FotR completely color timed in the first place?

The technology was being developed during the late part of the FOTR's production. I believe the visual effects folks at Weta Digital created much of the software during the FOTR, and it was ready for use in TTT, and later features.

[DarkDune]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Aragorn, nor Boromir

Fixed! Where is my coffee?!?!

[gates70]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I finally watched FOTR on my 46" Sharp from which I sit about 6' away from and I was extremely impressed. My HDTV is calibrated as I did it myself using DVE and the green tint is nowhere near as noticeable as some people here have made it out to be. I went back and looked at some of the screen caps in this thread and they did not look like what I was watching. Yes, there is a slight green tint, but if I had not been looking for it I probably never would have noticed it. I even paused it and and went through some frames during the second breakfast scene and it honestly did not look like the green nightmare that people have been showing. I believe that some of the people in this thread either have incorrectly calibrated monitors/HDTVs or they aren't calibrated at all.

They don't want to hear that man. They are too busy *****ing about something that's not a big deal and skip over these posts.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

So, the menu is geen in FotR too, or what?

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I believe that some of the people in this thread either have incorrectly calibrated monitors/HDTVs or they aren't calibrated at all.

More likely is that some of then have spent soo much time doing comparisons watching the same scenes that their mind is no longer able to allow them to see anything else but the green. Ken Brown admitted to having this problem.

On the bright side, the image isn't as green as it would be if Regan McNeil started doing projectile vomiting.

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

So, the menu is geen in FotR too, or what?

The letters I seem to recall were.

[Adam.C]

[Petyr_Baelish]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

So, the menu is geen in FotR too, or what?

i though you were one of the people that watched it?

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by DarkDune

LOL

It is from a Digital Copy, not a Blu. 1.5GB compared to up to 50GB Still you would "think" the Digital Copies are generated from the same masters as the Blus. Of course the inconsistencies are what is at issue here. Someone made a mistake in authoring all the media for FOTR.

I really wish people would quit posting these blanket statements as though they were fact.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by DarkDune

Fixed! Where is my coffee?!?!

See! We are paying attention.

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

So, the menu is geen in FotR too, or what?

It has a colored tint and so do the menus for the other films.

Originally Posted by merrick97

I really wish people would quit posting these blanket statements as though they were fact.

Don't you know that "making a mistake" is code for "I don't like it"?

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by merrick97

I really wish people would quit posting these blanket statements as though they were fact.

Yeah, I seriously doubt these transfers were messed with accidentally. PJ has been sitting on these for quite some time so I would it rather odd if he was not right there reviewing these transfers as they were being done. Unless Jackson comes out and says "Hey folks, I am sorry about this slight green tint. I was on vacation when they did the transfers." then I will continue to believe that the people watching Slimer TV simply have poorly calibrated displays.

[HeKS]

Ok, so one thing that I think needs to be kept in mind is that all three films have been regraded. Well, if I'm going to limit my comments to what I know, I'll say that both FOTR and TT have been regraded (I haven't checked out ROTK yet). Neither of these movies looks like the theatrical versions in terms of coloring.

As a number of people have commented, going from FOTR into TT on the new EE set is somewhat shocking (at least for some). That can be chalked up to both the green tint and the contrast issues on FOTR. But the thing is, when one considers the new color timing on TT and the new timing on FOTR apart from the green tint and contrast, the films now look more consistent than they ever have, IMO.

However, the reason I'm pointing this out is just so that the differences between the Theatrical blu-ray and my "fixed" version of the EE image don't cause confusion. FOTR has been regraded from scratch and looks different. The green tint was applied after these timing changes were made.

Here's a sample of how Saruman looks during his conversation with Gandalf in Orthanc once the green tint is removed and the contrast is fixed. Keep in mind, this is using the exact same filter set as was used in the revised version of the Aragorn shot. No tweaks have been made to settings. These settings work on every image without adjustment, specifically because both the green tint and contrast boost are uniform throughout the film (which some might consider to be a highly suggestive fact on its own.)