The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Underworld54]

Originally Posted by Velmeran

And just how many reps from WB or WingNut frequent this board and in particular this thread?

If you want to try and persuade WB to correct what may or may not be an issue; then you would think people would direct their attention and efforts to a space in which it may actually reach the eyes of those who could make a change.

Frogmort posted several links (PJ's facebook page, WB's review page) and others have posted a few email addresses for various WB persons or departments.

There isn't a discussion when the same 5-10 people post the same. exact. thing. over and over with tiny changes to the wording or structure.

The general comment yesterday was this thread was quiet because nobody was posting -- nobody was posting because a lot of posters have gotten so fed up with the same green tint arguments (nothing new has been added to the 'green tint discussion' over the past 2 weeks) that they don't even visit the thread anymore. As I mentioned, I've had a few people send me PM's basically asking me if I'd let them know if anything new gets posted in this thread as typically any non-green tint discussion is buried and lost because once the tint discussion picks back up we have 2-3 pages of the same old, same old.

They think if they don't talk about it every second of the day that somehow WB will think they accept the transfer. That's all I can think of. Like you said, their energy should be directed towards WB's site and maybe PJ's Facebook as well. That's where their time and effort have more of a chance of being rewarded.

[Fors*]

I have a question about the release and the way the chapters were set up (I do not own the EE's yet.) Now, I may have missed the discussion or it may have been done previously on the TE's, but I have read that they re-arranged the chapters so you can follow a particular storyline without interuption. For example, if I want to watch all of the scenes of Frodo, Sam and Gollum as they travel in TTT, I can without other storylines (chapters) being thrown in (i.e. Rohan, Pippen and Merry, etc....) Was this available to do on the TE's or is this new with the EE's?

[Velmeran]

Originally Posted by Fors*

I have a question about the release and the way the chapters were set up (I do not own the EE's yet.) Now, I may have missed the discussion or it may have been done previously on the TE's, but I have read that they re-arranged the chapters so you can follow a particular storyline without interuption. For example, if I want to watch all of the scenes of Frodo, Sam and Gollum as they travel in TTT, I can without other storylines (chapters) being thrown in (i.e. Rohan, Pippen and Merry, etc....) Was this available to do on the TE's or is this new with the EE's?

I'm not aware of this feature; but I'd also be quite interested in knowing the answer.

[Fors*]

OK guys, lets get this thread back on topic.....discussing what should be discussed is trivial, pointless and only further derails this thread more than it already has been for some time.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Fors*

OK guys, lets get this thread back on topic.....discussing what should be discussed is trivial, pointless and only further derails this thread more than it already has been for some time.

Do you think it would be a good idea to start another thread about LOTR EE BD, that is for anything OTHER THAN the contrast and green tint issues?

It could be for any OTHER technical issues, or content, or comparisons with the TEs, etc. But the green tint gang should stay out of it.

[Ken Brown]

Originally Posted by mredman

The HD trailer for the new EE release contain the green tint as well.

Another indication in my book that this is intentional. That makes 3 now. Warners statement,PJ at the theater and now this HD trailer.

Unfortunately, the trailers aren't a smoking gun for either camp. The HD trailer was created using the sources produced for the Blu-ray release. All the promotional trailer(s) confirm is that the tint is present in the remaster that was created for the Blu-ray release and that the trailers were created from those remastered sources.

Nothing about the tint has been confirmed. That is what is perpetuating this discussion and debate. Warner and/or Peter Jackson could settle it anytime they wanted to. The PR statement was certainly appreciated, but far from specific. One sentence from Jackson acknowledging the tint and mentioning its purpose would quickly put an end to the debate, and allow the discussion to move on to film revisionism.

At the moment, everyone in this thread is getting annoyed with each other. But the real source of the debate, the real source of the ongoing doubt, the real source of the confusion isn't angry forum members on either side of the argument beating their respective dead horses. It's Mr. Jackson's ongoing silence on the matter. I love the man, love his films, but a simple sentence (or even a sentence from one of the technicians who were present in the DI suite during the re-grade) could easily settle almost every question out there concerning the tint. He wouldn't even have to take the time to write it; just have one of his assistants draft something on his behalf addressing the tint, issue it, post it on his Facebook page, you name it. Even if he and Warner thought they had properly addressed the tint weeks ago with the theatrical message and PR statement, they must know full-well by now that those two items/statements/messages didn't clarify much of anything. The reasonable response is a clarification.

Maybe they don't want to draw more attention to the controversy. But if the tint was an intentional decision that Jackson is pleased with, why wouldn't he want to draw attention to it? Again, this is the guy who devoted chunks of his Appendices to the creation of individual links of chain mail. He's proud of his production and decisions. If the tint is intended, one can only assume he's proud of it and, like anything, open to discussing it and its artistic merit.

It may be beating a dead horse to those who aren't bothered by the tint, and I know he's a busy, busy man who's well within his rights to focus on 'The Hobbit' instead of addressing a tint on FOTR that only riles up a small portion of consumers... but anti-tinters and pro-tinters alike should at least agree that his continued silence on the matter is not only strange but the true root of all of this forum madness

Again, I defer to this point:

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

You know, I haven’t spoken much to that ‘green’ subject directly, out of respect to P.J. because he has a good heart and is a Director to be respected. I feel he has always had his fans in best interest and in the end, for people who have already made more money than they could probably spend in their lifetime, it all comes down to your legacy, and for a filmmaker, that means how you will be remembered by your fans long after you stop making motion pictures.

This whole online green tint controversy with FOTR has left a rather bad taste in my mouth. I just wonder if PJ is being handcuffed by *the machine* in not personally offering a response, or at least, having an associate who was directly involved in the color grading, respond to this online controversy.

For some perspective as to why I feel this way, a little history lesson is in order, the significance of which should not be discounted. Back when the second film in the trilogy was being shown in cinemas, one guy and I emphasize the word ONE

had a reservation with some other digital intermediate color grading choices made for that particular motion picture. Now, granted this individual was somewhat adept at recognizing picture quality nuances given his affiliated work/profession but, he was by no means a digital colorist, cinematographer, etc. nor a member of any Guild associated with filmmaking. He was posting on a rather obscure message board on the internet and his query was presented more as a concerned cinephile and hobbyist….like most folks here. Hell, nobody on that message board even knew him from Adam…so to speak. I know him now, and I consider him a fine fellow.

Anyway, this one hobbyist’s query prompted a filmmaker directly involved in the post production process of TTT and who identified himself as speaking about the topic after consulting with both PJ and Andrew L., to extensively address the concerns of this hobbyist with an online response.

So now, here we are, nearly a decade later, and we have hundreds (if not thousands?) wondering what the heck is up with the green tint ………..and not a word from PJ….much less from one of his colleagues who was physically present in the DI suite and whom really are the only ones that folks can trust as to addressing the nuances of the process….rather than vague third-party statements.

I can sympathize with peoples’ frustrations on this matter. It really does make one wonder.

[Fors*]

Not surprisingly, this post was completely lost...........

I have a question about the release and the way the chapters were set up (I do not own the EE's yet.) Now, I may have missed the discussion or it may have been done previously on the TE's, but I have read that they re-arranged the chapters so you can follow a particular storyline without interuption. For example, if I want to watch all of the scenes of Frodo, Sam and Gollum as they travel in TTT, I can without other storylines (chapters) being thrown in (i.e. Rohan, Pippen and Merry, etc....) Was this available to do on the TE's or is this new with the EE's?

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Nothing about the tint has been confirmed. That is what is perpetuating this discussion and debate. Warner and/or Peter Jackson could settle it anytime they wanted to. The PR statement was certainly appreciated, but far from specific. One sentence from Jackson acknowledging the tint and mentioning its purpose would quickly put an end to the debate, and allow the discussion to move on to film revisionism.

At the moment, everyone in this thread is getting annoyed with each other. But the real source of the debate, the real source of the ongoing doubt, the real source of the confusion isn't angry forum members on either side of the argument beating their respective dead horses. It's Mr. Jackson's ongoing silence on the matter. I love the man, love his films, but a simple sentence (or even a sentence from one of the technicians who were present in the DI suite during the re-grade) could easily settle almost every question out there concerning the tint. He wouldn't even have to take the time to write it; just have one of his assistants draft something on his behalf addressing the tint, issue it, post it on his Facebook page, you name it. Even if he and Warner thought they had properly addressed the tint weeks ago with the theatrical message and PR statement, they must know full-well by now that those two items/statements/messages didn't clarify much of anything. The reasonable response is a clarification.

Maybe they don't want to draw more attention to the controversy. But if the tint was an intentional decision that Jackson is pleased with, why wouldn't he want to draw attention to it? Again, this is the guy who devoted chunks of his Appendices to the creation of individual links of chain mail. He's proud of his production and decisions. If the tint is intended, one can only assume he's proud of it and, like anything, open to discussing it and its artistic merit.

It may be beating a dead horse to those who aren't bothered by the tint, and I know he's a busy, busy man who's well within his rights to focus on 'The Hobbit' instead of addressing a tint on FOTR that only riles up a small portion of consumers... but anti-tinters and pro-tinters alike should at least agree that his continued silence on the matter is not only strange but the true root of all of this forum madness

Again, I defer to this point:

Ken,

I cannot help but think the tint will always be an issue for many - no matter what Jackson says.

I will only refer you to Bram Stroker's Dracula - where despite FFC's assistant coming out and explaining the matter on the director's behalf, people still believe it's a conspiracy/screw-up. These people always will.

I guarantee certain people in this thread will still NOT believe Jackson even if he makes a statement about why he did the tint. They will resort to their obsession of measuring the whites in the credits as 'proof' or how the yellows have changed, or how snow is not as white as snow in "real life."

They will claim he is being forced, or simply covering for Warner and the studio doesn't want to do a 'fix' for one reason or another.

[Mahatma]

Just got this today.I have to say the packaging is the nicest I have seen on BD.Real class.As is PQ&AQ.Didn't notice any strange green tint in picture...

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Mahatma

Just got this today.I have to say the packaging is the nicest I have seen on BD.Real class.As is PQ&AQ.Didn't notice any strange green tint in picture...

Agreed! The box is awesome; very sturdy, compact, and classy. The black keepcases are nice too.

[MrFattBill]

Originally Posted by Fors*

Not surprisingly, this post was completely lost...........

I have a question about the release and the way the chapters were set up (I do not own the EE's yet.) Now, I may have missed the discussion or it may have been done previously on the TE's, but I have read that they re-arranged the chapters so you can follow a particular storyline without interuption. For example, if I want to watch all of the scenes of Frodo, Sam and Gollum as they travel in TTT, I can without other storylines (chapters) being thrown in (i.e. Rohan, Pippen and Merry, etc....) Was this available to do on the TE's or is this new with the EE's?

I haven't looked but I will be happy too in the next few days if you would like I think if you can in fact follow it that way it would be pretty cool to do so.

In regards to the tint "issue" like I have said in a previous post, if you are not happy with how it looks sell it online or toss it in the trash read the books and imagine it anyway YOU wish (not directed at you Fors )

Bill

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by Fors*

Not surprisingly, this post was completely lost...........

I have a question about the release and the way the chapters were set up (I do not own the EE's yet.) Now, I may have missed the discussion or it may have been done previously on the TE's, but I have read that they re-arranged the chapters so you can follow a particular storyline without interuption. For example, if I want to watch all of the scenes of Frodo, Sam and Gollum as they travel in TTT, I can without other storylines (chapters) being thrown in (i.e. Rohan, Pippen and Merry, etc....) Was this available to do on the TE's or is this new with the EE's?

If this isn't answered by the time I get home from work later today I'll check and let you know, I have both versions.

[Velmeran]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

If this isn't answered by the time I get home from work later today I'll check and let you know, I have both versions.

I also look forward to your findings Stinky (or someone else's findings if its answered before you get home).

I never knew about the feature in general on the TE's.

[Strevlac]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

I will only refer you to Bram Stroker's Dracula - where despite FFC's assistant coming out and explaining the matter on the director's behalf, people still believe it's a conspiracy/screw-up. These people always will.

Just because an "official" source makes a claim, that does not mean said claim is 100% accurate and all discussion and questions must immediately cease. The statements coming out of Zoetrope (namely one Kim Aubry) fly in the face of all logic and reason. That is why people still believe the release is revisionist or just plain screwed up. The movie and music industries both have people that make all kinds of crazy claims regarding the elements they are working with and spout rediculous "facts" all the time. They get away with it because 99.99% of the people out there don't know enough to call them on it.

[kingkong650]

Originally Posted by MrFattBill

In regards to the tint "issue" like I have said in a previous post, if you are not happy with how it looks sell it online or toss it in the trash read the books and imagine it anyway YOU wish (not directed at you Fors )

Bill

Great attitude, that. I'm sure that doing just as you suggested there, imagining how it COULD have been, rather than what we actually did for other blu-rays with problems, which was continuously draw attention to their flaws, we'd have got, forgetting about the green tint for a moment, this lovely filmlike release of FOTR without the DNR of the previous theatrical blu-ray and a remastered version of gladiator without all the DNR scrubbing out arrows and spears in the film.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Fors*

Not surprisingly, this post was completely lost...........

I have a question about the release and the way the chapters were set up (I do not own the EE's yet.) Now, I may have missed the discussion or it may have been done previously on the TE's, but I have read that they re-arranged the chapters so you can follow a particular storyline without interuption. For example, if I want to watch all of the scenes of Frodo, Sam and Gollum as they travel in TTT, I can without other storylines (chapters) being thrown in (i.e. Rohan, Pippen and Merry, etc....) Was this available to do on the TE's or is this new with the EE's?

On the disk menu, when you bring up "scenes", you will find some scenes have one or two asterisks. * refers to a new scene added. ** refers to an extended scene. There is no way to "unextend" a scene that I know of. You could play scene by scene and skip the "new" scenes, but that would be a ponderous way to watch the movie.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

just finished watcing FOTR, and it looks fantastic
near perfect
i didnt find it too dark at all, or notice the green tint

after i viewed the EE, i popped in the TE in my ps3 and the EE stayed in my panny, and did some comparisions

the EE is alot darker than the TE, detail is so much better, there is a huge color difference between the two, but the EE is not green on my screen
the colors look very natural, skies blue, snow white, skin tones look great
they are just very different in color

the EE is superior to the TE in everyway, i even like the color better

and this was my 1st time viewing the EE version of FOTR, and i gota say i loved, so much more backbone and added depth

cant wait to see TTT and ROTK

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Strevlac

Just because an "official" source makes a claim, that does not mean said claim is 100% accurate and all discussion and questions must immediately cease. The statements coming out of Zoetrope (namely one Kim Aubry) fly in the face of all logic and reason. That is why people still believe the release is revisionist or just plain screwed up. The movie and music industries both have people that make all kinds of crazy claims regarding the elements they are working with and spout rediculous "facts" all the time. They get away with it because 99.99% of the people out there don't know enough to call them on it.

You are proving my point though.

It's not going to really matter if Jackson makes a comment or not specifically about the green - at least to some people. So, it doesn't matter.

[Member-115369]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

It's not going to really matter if Jackson makes a comment or not specifically about the green - at least to some people. So, it doesn't matter.

Exactly. Very few of the people complaining about the green tint will care if Jackson comes out and says he made and approved the change himself. They don't like how the film looks with the green tint, and Jackson saying it's intentional isn't going to change that.

[kingkong650]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

You are proving my point though.

It's not going to really matter if Jackson makes a comment or not specifically about the green - at least to some people. So, it doesn't matter.

That's a bit of a silly argument there. As Ken has said many times, it matters to a lot of us because if Peter Jackson releases a statement saying its intentional, the discussion moves away from whether or not the green tint is intentional and moves onto what is IMO a far more interesting debate, which is that of film revisionism.

Yes there will be a few that say that Peter Jackson is lying to cover WB, but I would personally take what he says at face value, because i've always taken him to be an honest, approachable, down to earth guy that doesn't mind answering the questions of his fans.