The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by Aragorn84

After getting a look at the pics from the new BD for O Brother, Where Art Thou? (which also has the approval of the DP & sports more pronouced greens/yellows), I'm more inclined to think there wasn't a screw up with FotR. I don't think these old DIs were spot on with what the DPs wanted color-wise. Sure, the greens are more pronouced - but after several viewings, I've noticed other colors are too.

I'm still getting used to it, but I'm not too certain this was a mistake.

As far as O Brother:

One of the notable features of the film is its use of digital color correction to give the film a sepia-tinted look.

“ Ethan and Joel favored a dry, dusty Delta look with golden sunsets. They wanted it to look like an old hand-tinted picture, with the intensity of colors dictated by the scene and natural skin tones that were all shades of the rainbow. ”
—cinematographer Roger Deakins

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_Broth...re_Art_Thou%3F

I think it was one of, if not the first movie to use this technique. Peter Jackson and Andrew Lesnie also employed this digital color correction when making LotR to color grade different shots, or even just certain elements within the shots. Yes, some scenes are bleached out white, some are golden and glowing, some are blue and cold, etc. With the EE BD of FotR, there are definitely many different color graded scenes, but there is also a consistent tint/contrast over the entire film, but not on the other two. That's really what makes me wonder, is because it is only on one of the three. If they all looked that way, I would say it was deliberate, but just on one? I'm still not convinced that it is absolutely 100% deliberate.

I do own this boxset, and have watched it many times. I do see a marked improvement in overall depth and clarity, and I think in some ways it is much more filmic than it has ever been.

I think a lot of people think a slight green push is going to make everything green, but it really doesn't at all. If something is bright red, it will just be a slightly duller red. If something is bright and sunny yellow, it will just be a slightly duller yellow.

People have actually scientifically measured the color/contrast of this movie, and it is slightly darker in the brightest spots than the other two movies, and all colors have a very mild push towards green.

I'm not going to post it here, because it's pretty long, but here's the link to the last post that Ken Brown, the reviewer of this set, posted in this thread before it came to a screeching halt:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/4951522-post10070.html

He's a very impartial reviewer, and a very intelligent, respectful person.

[mzupeman]

Originally Posted by kingkong650

We don´t think there´s a mistake, we KNOW there´s a mistake.

Maybe, maybe not. As you said in your post yourself, we haven't heard anything from anyone 'official enough' in regards to the issue. According to Warner Bros, and according to Bill Hunt who spoke to 'someone', this was intentional. But, Peter Jackson, nor anybody else who would be considered responsible for such color timing changes, has said a thing. So, no, we don't 'know' there's a mistake. I can certainly see why many would say it's not a mistake, and I can also see why many others would say it is a mistake. I don't blame either camp for believing whatever it is they want to believe.

However, when one side says they 'know' what happened, I find that's when the discussion tends to get derailed into a negative zone that nobody wants to visit. Because when someone says they 'know' something they don't really know, then it gets to the point that you may as well be arguing about politics or religion. Nobody with that mindset is going to have their mind changed no matter what facts present themselves.

All we really know is what's on the disc, and that at somepoint during the end credits, the green tint goes away. For me, personally, this is the best FOTR EE has ever looked. Certain scenes really suffer due to the green tint, but I feel it serves a good chunk of the movie rather well. If a better version comes out, I'll swap my discs, but if they don't, I can live with what's been given to us.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by kingkong650

We don´t think there´s a mistake, we KNOW there´s a mistake. The FOTR EE blu-ray has a clearly visible (at least to those who know what to look for) constant green tint running thoughout the whole film. Is Warner going to admit they ****ed up? Of course not. Is PJ going to reperdise his relationship with Warner by saying they´ve ****ed up while working on The Hobbit, a film directly funded by Warner? Of course not.

Most of the general public have not even noticed the green tint and even if they do, are so impressed by the picture quality/sharpness of the blu-ray that they overlook the constant green tint. Either way, Warner waited without confirming/denying anything about the flaw to see how the general public reacted. When the general public were bowled over by the greatly improved PQ relative to the theatrical release and thereby didn´t notice/give little importance to the constant green tint, Warner decided to release a generic PR statement saying everything was as the filmmaker intended without directly addressing the issue of the green tint and then sweep everything under the carpet, to avoid issuing replacements and thereby maximise profits.

Three months on and we have yet to hear from either PJ or Warner about the green tint on FOTR EE but there you go, no surprises there.

Well i hate to burst your bubble but i am gonna do it anyway

The statement warner did is them saying there is NO MISTAKE with these releases. Do you really think they would say "oh the green tint is not a mistake" in their press release. No they say it in a more professional manor and that is what we got.

Fact is no professional studio is EVER gonna make such a statement about their product. What warner said in the press release is them saying the produck is OK. And also PJ has signed some of them. That is the ULTIMATE there is NO mistake with FOTR or any of the 3 movies.

Do you really think he would sign something he thinks is the wrong product. NO he most definitely would not do that.

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by mredman

Fact is no professional studio is EVER gonna make such a statement about their product.

I think this is the best sentence that I have ever seen you post. I complete agree with you.

[kingkong650]

Originally Posted by frogmort

I think this is the best sentence that I have ever seen you post. I complete agree with you.

Sadly I think he´s right, they would never directly admit to having messing up by adding the green tint by mistake. Doesn´t stop them issuing a replacement though, universal never owned up to messing up the first Gladiator release yet we still got a replacement with great PQ.

[kingkong650]

Originally Posted by mzupeman

However, when one side says they 'know' what happened, I find that's when the discussion tends to get derailed into a negative zone that nobody wants to visit. Because when someone says they 'know' something they don't really know, then it gets to the point that you may as well be arguing about politics or religion. Nobody with that mindset is going to have their mind changed no matter what facts present themselves.

Sorry, you´re right of course, I just got a little carried away, mredman´s bait was very effective. We don´t ´know´ anything for certain about this issue because nobody official has said anything relating to the green tint. I personally am convinced that its a flaw with the transfer and having seen the whole film without the green tint and slightly brightened, IMHO it looks much much better and a lot more similar to the previous releases of FOTR, ie. skies are blue and snow is white. Most importantly, as Frogmort has pointed out, it is once again consistant with the other two films colourwise, as it always has been in the past and always should be, because the LOTR trilogy is really one long movie rather than three seperate films.

[NYorker]

Originally Posted by mredman

Well i hate to burst your bubble but i am gonna do it anyway

The statement warner did is them saying there is NO MISTAKE with these releases. Do you really think they would say "oh the green tint is not a mistake" in their press release. No they say it in a more professional manor and that is what we got.

Fact is no professional studio is EVER gonna make such a statement about their product. What warner said in the press release is them saying the produck is OK. And also PJ has signed some of them. That is the ULTIMATE there is NO mistake with FOTR or any of the 3 movies.

Do you really think he would sign something he thinks is the wrong product. NO he most definitely would not do that.

Show me one line in the WB statement that says that there was no mistake in the transfer.

[horizonline]

I don't think that WB understands what the green is about, much less why scenes were deleted for the theatrical. They include the green tint because the theatrical did not have it. I would call that a mistake since the green tint is not anything we are supposed to see as a viewer.

[Eismagier]

Originally Posted by mredman

Do you really think they would say "oh the green tint is not a mistake" in their press release. No they say it in a more professional manor and that is what we got.

Warner had to replace all six of the German LotR EE discs (as well as, more recently, Sucker Punch) due to audio problems. The letters accompanying the replacement discs speak of "replacements with improved audio quality". I'd expect similar euphemisms if they ever decided to offer replacements for the green-tinted FotR.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Eismagier

Warner had to replace all six of the German LotR EE discs (as well as, more recently, Sucker Punch) due to audio problems. The letters accompanying the replacement discs speak of "replacements with improved audio quality". I'd expect similar euphemisms if they ever decided to offer replacements for the green-tinted FotR.

There is NO mistakes read the reviews on the imdb board of one wh ohave seen the EE FOTR in the theaters he said the same thing is on the blu ray.

And PJ is signing them. He would never in a million years sign something he thinks is the wrong product. That is FACT!

[Cook]

People still think the new color timing is a mistake? LMAO

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Cook

People still think the new color timing is a mistake? LMAO

yeah i am shocked as well

[retablo]

Originally Posted by kingkong650

Three months on and we have yet to hear from either PJ or Warner about the green tint on FOTR EE but there you go, no surprises there.

Exactly, why would someone come out and say it's not a mistake? The fact that PJ and Lesnie signed off on the discs is proof enough. THAT is them saying it's correct.

You really think if they came out now and said something that it would change anything? People would still complain that it's not how THEY (the viewer) want it. Which is probably hy PJ hasn't said anything... why would he need the hassle of dealing with hundreds of irate fanboys who think they know better than he does?

[Eismagier]

Originally Posted by mredman

There is NO mistakes read the reviews on the imdb board of one wh ohave seen the EE FOTR in the theaters he said the same thing is on the blu ray.

And PJ is signing them. He would never in a million years sign something he thinks is the wrong product. That is FACT!

Ease off. I didn't say that the color timing was a mistake. I merely said that when they replaced the German discs for audio problems, the official word was that the new versions had "improved audio quality", not that they "fixed a problem". I assume that if they ever decided to offer replacements for FotR, they'd use similar wording.

[radagast]

You people are STILL debating this? Wow! I mean really. Wow! So Sisyphus isn't a myth after all.

[radewagon]

Just bought this set from Barnes and Noble. I noticed a color shift when I saw comparison shots on the internet, but I didn't really notice one while watching the movie. The ever-present green tint is a non-issue for me as it doesn't really look ever-present or green.

I can't imagine how this could ever be a mistake. I'm not even sure where in the process of making a bluray, a color timing shift gets made accidentally.

Color timing is changed quite often when a film is made on home video. This was most likely intentional.

Really, what you should be complaining about is lame dvd discs for the extras.

[mzupeman]

Originally Posted by mredman

Do you really think he would sign something he thinks is the wrong product. NO he most definitely would not do that.

This is another really weak argument that's been making people assume one way or the other that this is, in fact, Peter Jackson's approved color timing.

The man is busy at work on The Hobbit. Whenever famous people sign anything, they don't sit down, watch the DVD, and say, "OH, this is exactly what I wanted, I approve of this, so NOW I'll sign this." A more likely scenario is that somebody from the studio showed up with promotional material for the release of this set, and asked that the set be signed. Peter signed it, and then it was on its way.

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by radagast

You people are STILL debating this? Wow! I mean really. Wow! So Sisyphus isn't a myth after all.

Are you still complaining about people debating this? Wow!

I'll just be rolling that boulder a few more times, I'm pretty sure. I've almost made it to the top a few times.

[Petyr_Baelish]

sauron blinks

[HD Goofnut]

Star Wars in the Star Wars thread please.