The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003) - Page 105 - Blu-ray Forum

Rik1138 · 06-10-2011, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 42041

Those are not converted to PC levels properly, they're 16-235. Also the original disc doesn't have those aliasing artifacts.
Looks like a big improvement resolution-wise.

No conversion or altering of any kind was done to them. Captured from a player and saved with no compression.

mredman · 06-10-2011, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rik1138

Anyone see these? Disc to disc comparisons:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58588
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58590
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58593
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58594
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58596
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58599

OK these screenshots are total bogus i got the Theatrical release and in noway do they look that bad. This can only be from the DVD. Because the blu ray Theatrical release do not look like that at all

Cook · 06-10-2011, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by frezaina

shoot him!

Shoot him, cut out his tongue, and shave that scraggly beard!

gregmasciola · 06-10-2011, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rik1138

Anyone see these? Disc to disc comparisons:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58588
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58590
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58593
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58594
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58596
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58599

I'll admit, I'm a bit concerned about the color of Fellowship, those shots do look like reference quality. Very excited for this release.

Rik1138 · 06-10-2011, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mredman

OK these screenshots are total bogus i got the Theatrical release and in noway do they look that bad. This can only be from the DVD. Because the blu ray Theatrical release do not look like that at all

Heh, you might want to look at your Theatrical BD again...

The images came from the Blu-ray trilogy box set, UPC# 7 94043 13182 0. Capture the exact same image from one of your discs and post it if you think yours looks different...

mredman · 06-10-2011, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rik1138

Heh, you might want to look at your Theatrical BD again...

The images came from the Blu-ray trilogy box set, UPC# 7 94043 13182 0. Capture the exact same image from one of your discs and post it if you think yours looks different...

i know when i watched these they were not that blurry on a 50 inch screen.
These screenshots are a lie. Even the other comparisons on this site doesn't look like these

42041 · 06-10-2011, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rik1138

No conversion or altering of any kind was done to them. Captured from a player and saved with no compression.

Conversion is necessary (usually done by your video card or decoder), as blu-ray and PC RGB images do not use the same color encoding. The black bars aren't black, they're at RGB value 16.
A capture with correct levels should look more like this:
http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/4...operlevels.jpg

Rik1138 · 06-10-2011, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mredman

i know when i watched these they were not that blurry on a 50 inch screen.
These screenshots are a lie. Even the other comparisons on this site doesn't look like these

*shrug* Whatever... That's exactly what my disc looks like when I grab a screen shot and compare it on top of these... Like I said, try it with your own disc. If something softened the images (the player itself maybe?), it did the same softening to both, so it still shows that the new version is much sharper.

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Originally Posted by 42041

Conversion is necessary, as blu-ray and PC video do not use the same color encoding. The black bars aren't black, they're at RGB value 16.
A capture with correct levels should look more like this:
http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/4...operlevels.jpg

Well, if you apply the same level conversion to both images you will have a good idea of what it should look like then... As long as the same filtering is done to both of them, it'll be comparable.

Out of curiosity, using Photoshop, is there a simple of way of applying the level adjustment? Or do you need to create a specific action for it?

greg_achen · 06-10-2011, 11:25 PM

I honestly don't see how anyone could NOT have a problem with the new coloring. No one is arguing that the picture quality isn't great. It is a huge improvement. But I think it is fairly obvious that those are not the colors Peter Jackson and his cinematographer originally intended. Coloring helps set the tone, atmosphere, and mood of a film. Fellowship of the Ring won an Academy Award for its beautiful cinematography. Why mess with what wasn't broken? I am really hoping what we are seeing is not indicative of the final coloring for the film. If it is, I will wait for the ultimate box set where Peter Jackson himself can put forth his full time and efforts on making it perfect. Ever since Warner Bros. got involved with these films, they've been nothing but trouble.

42041 · 06-10-2011, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rik1138

*shrug* Whatever... That's exactly what my disc looks like when I grab a screen shot and compare it on top of these... Like I said, try it with your own disc. If something softened the images (the player itself maybe?), it did the same softening to both, so it still shows that the new version is much sharper.

What player are you using? In general, most legit software blu-ray players are not designed to facilitate capturing accurate screencaps, since studios are so paranoid about piracy and the like.

amoergosum · 06-10-2011, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by greg_achen

If it is, I will wait for the ultimate box set where Peter Jackson himself can put forth his full time and efforts on making it perfect.

...what year are we talking about...

?

greg_achen · 06-10-2011, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by amoergosum

...what year are we talking about...

?

Probably at least another three years... at most another five years. I can wait.

Rik1138 · 06-10-2011, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 42041

What player are you using? In general, most legit software blu-ray players are not designed to facilitate capturing accurate screencaps, since studios are so paranoid about piracy and the like.

Total Media Theater. There are versions of the software you can get for development purposes that don't have those restrictions...

42041 · 06-10-2011, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rik1138

Total Media Theater. There are versions of the software you can get for development purposes that don't have those restrictions...

Well, if you happen to have an Nvidia video card, you might want to go to the Nvidia control panel, "adjust video color settings", and in the "advanced" tab set the dynamic range to full and see if that changes anything. No idea how ATI and others do it.
If you have both versions of the trilogies, I'd appreciate if you posted some Two Towers comparisons in the scenes that were blasted with DNR.

Todd Smith · 06-10-2011, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mredman

well those who complain about what seems to be perfect detail and sharpness with maybe a little green or blue tint. Well don't buy it then. Stick to your soft DVD's then. While the rest of us will enjoy the hell out of these when they arrive

Detail and sharpness looks great....awesome improvement and no complaints there!

What most of us are not happy about is the green tint and it is not "little" IMO.

Again though, lets just hope these shots are not accurate, not representative of the transfer as a whole and even if they are, lets hope this can easily be adjusted for on the display side!

mredman · 06-10-2011, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd Smith

Detail and sharpness looks great....awesome improvement and no complaints there!

What most of us are not happy about is the green tint and it is not "little" IMO.

Again though, lets just hope these shots are not accurate, not representative of the transfer as a whole and even if they are, lets hope this can easily be adjusted for on the display side!

Todd have you seen these. They look incredible

Todd Smith · 06-11-2011, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mredman

Todd have you seen these. They look incredible

You dont see the green tint in that first FOTR shot? Look at the fire.......

Detailing looks excellent in all 3 films in these shots IMO, but the coloring on FOTR is questionable to say the least (again just my opinion and I respect yours even if we dont agree

) with an obvious/ugly (IMO) green push that does not seem to be on the TE blu, EE DVDs or HDTV shots from what we have seen.

We still need more info/reviews/comparisons before getting to worked up over this though (and yes I am speaking to myself as well

).

Here is a DVD EE vs Blu ray EE shot (at least supposed blu ray extended)......are you telling me you would honestly rather have the green tint of the blu ray??? I would rather have my snow look like...well....snow.

http://postimage.org/image/15xlfc8p0/

IF the above shot is accurate and is representative of the transfer as a whole, we have a big problem.

Duffy12 · 06-11-2011, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mredman

Todd have you seen these. They look incredible

And no blue or green tint here

FOTR
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/1328/lotr1m.jpg
http://pic.phyrefile.com/m/ma/mati/2011/06/08/1-01.png

http://pic.phyrefile.com/m/ma/mati/2011/06/08/1-04.png

You need to check these again as I had no problem picking it out.

.

Todd Smith · 06-11-2011, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Duffy12

You need to check these again as I had no problem picking it out.

.

Same here......just hoping the actual disc does not have this issue.

Lyle_JP · 06-11-2011, 12:41 AM

My take on the "new" coloring:

This reminds me so much of previous debates on HTF when the James Bond Ultimate Editions came out. The comparisons to the Special Editions were endless, but one thing that always cropped up was an unusual bias that assumed any older transfer was more "correct" and that anything unique to the new transfer was a "change" from how it "should" look.

We're seeing some of that now. Is the picture more green? In some shots, yes, undeniably. But why aren't we talking about how ridiculously over-saturated the reds appear in some shots of the older transfer? Why are so many assuming that the colors on the old discs represent the "correct" color timing. I find both color timings to be flawed in their own respects, but I still think the new colors get flesh-tones right more often than the previous effort, and most shots (even ignoring the detail improvements) look improved on the new transfers.

In fact, the only screen-shot that really seems to overdo-it on the green is Gandalf riding up to Isengard. If that's the worst it gets, I'm in.

06-10-2011, 11:25 PM	#2089
greg_achen Expert Member Member since:Oct 2010 Location:N/A Blu-ray collection:145	I honestly don't see how anyone could NOT have a problem with the new coloring. No one is arguing that the picture quality isn't great. It is a huge improvement. But I think it is fairly obvious that those are not the colors Peter Jackson and his cinematographer originally intended. Coloring helps set the tone, atmosphere, and mood of a film. Fellowship of the Ring won an Academy Award for its beautiful cinematography. Why mess with what wasn't broken? I am really hoping what we are seeing is not indicative of the final coloring for the film. If it is, I will wait for the ultimate box set where Peter Jackson himself can put forth his full time and efforts on making it perfect. Ever since Warner Bros. got involved with these films, they've been nothing but trouble.

06-11-2011, 12:41 AM	#2100
Lyle_JP Blu-ray Guru Member since:Apr 2008 Blu-ray collection:1094 Blu-ray reviews: 6	My take on the "new" coloring: This reminds me so much of previous debates on HTF when the James Bond Ultimate Editions came out. The comparisons to the Special Editions were endless, but one thing that always cropped up was an unusual bias that assumed any older transfer was more "correct" and that anything unique to the new transfer was a "change" from how it "should" look. We're seeing some of that now. Is the picture more green? In some shots, yes, undeniably. But why aren't we talking about how ridiculously over-saturated the reds appear in some shots of the older transfer? Why are so many assuming that the colors on the old discs represent the "correct" color timing. I find both color timings to be flawed in their own respects, but I still think the new colors get flesh-tones right more often than the previous effort, and most shots (even ignoring the detail improvements) look improved on the new transfers. In fact, the only screen-shot that really seems to overdo-it on the green is Gandalf riding up to Isengard. If that's the worst it gets, I'm in.

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