The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Lyle_JP

My take on the "new" coloring:

This reminds me so much of previous debates on HTF when the James Bond Ultimate Editions came out. The comparisons to the Special Editions were endless, but one thing that always cropped up was an unusual bias that assumed any older transfer was more "correct" and that anything unique to the new transfer was a "change" from how it "should" look.

We're seeing some of that now. Is the picture more green? In some shots, yes, undeniably. But why aren't we talking about how ridiculously over-saturated the reds appear in some shots of the older transfer? Why are so many assuming that the colors on the old discs represent the "correct" color timing. I find both color timings to be flawed in their own respects, but I still think the new colors get flesh-tones right more often than the previous effort, and most shots (even ignoring the detail improvements) look improved on the new transfers.

In fact, the only screen-shot that really seems to overdo-it on the green is Gandalf riding up to Isengard. If that's the worst it gets, I'm in.

Yea, I pretty much agree with this also regarding the coloring, as one example being 'The Council of Elrond' was always way over-blown in saturation, and by the looks of it they fixed it here.

But there is one other screenshot of 'Gandalf the Teal' inside Isengard that really looks bad, plus there is also that shot of them in the snow on the mountain pass.


I have to wonder if 'Bill Hunt' has looked into this issue yet?


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[WorkShed]

No one is ignoring the improved detail. I'm not sure where you're getting that. Most people have said, while the detail is improved, I don't like the color...

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by Lyle_JP

My take on the "new" coloring:

This reminds me so much of previous debates on HTF when the James Bond Ultimate Editions came out. The comparisons to the Special Editions were endless, but one thing that always cropped up was an unusual bias that assumed any older transfer was more "correct" and that anything unique to the new transfer was a "change" from how it "should" look.

We're seeing some of that now. Is the picture more green? In some shots, yes, undeniably. But why aren't we talking about how ridiculously over-saturated the reds appear in some shots of the older transfer? Why are so many assuming that the colors on the old discs represent the "correct" color timing. I find both color timings to be flawed in their own respects, but I still think the new colors get flesh-tones right more often than the previous effort, and most shots (even ignoring the detail improvements) look improved on the new transfers.

In fact, the only screen-shot that really seems to overdo-it on the green is Gandalf riding up to Isengard. If that's the worst it gets, I'm in.

Correct me if I am wrong, but Peter Jackson was widely involved in the original DVD releases of the films. I have yet to hear any confirmation as to the extent of Peter Jackson's involvement in this particular Blu Ray release. If it was little to no involvement on his part, that would indicate that the DVD version is the more "correct" version and closer to how it "should" look. Any perceived over saturation or improper color balances found in the EE DVDs we know was intentional based on the level of Peter Jackson's involvement with those. The same cannot be said about the new teal tint found in this release of Fellowship. Whose decision was it to up the green?

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

Correct me if I am wrong, but Peter Jackson was widely involved in the original DVD releases of the films. I have yet to hear any confirmation as to the extent of Peter Jackson's involvement in this particular Blu Ray release. If it was little to no involvement on his part, that would indicate that the DVD version is the more "correct" version and closer to how it "should" look. Any perceived over saturation or improper color balances found in the EE DVDs we know was intentional based on the level of Peter Jackson's involvement with those. The same cannot be said about the new teal tint found in this release of Fellowship. Whose decision was it to up the green?

No doubt..........again, this shot comparing the EE DVD vs the supposed EE blu ray says it all IMO......

http://postimage.org/image/15xlfc8p0/

I dont know how anyone could defend the blu ray (again, assuming these blu EE shots are accurate) in this photo AND would prefer to watch it over the EE DVD as far as the coloring goes. Look at just the sky and snow alone.....can anyone honestly say they think the blu ray coloring is intentional? Unfortunately from the shots we have seen, this is not an isolated case as the green push seems to be in shots throughout the film.

My big hope at this point is that these shots are not accurate as far as the color goes OR if they are that this can easily be corrected for with the RGB adjustments in our displays.

[Constitution 101]

Originally Posted by WorkShed

I'm sorry, that is ridiculous. Snow is not green.

It is eventually if you've had too much to drink...

[neo78956]

Just to throw my two cents in here before going back to lurking this crazy thread, I always remember Fellowship having a green tint, Two Towers having a gray and red tint, and Return of the King having a gold, silver, and blue tint, especially in theatres. Just my opinion and memory, nothing more. And those screenshots look incredible. Almost makes me want to sell my Theatrical Edition blus were I not such a completionist. Back to lurking I go. Carry on.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by neo78956

Just to throw my two cents in here before going back to lurking this crazy thread, I always remember Fellowship having a green tint, Two Towers having a gray and red tint, and Return of the King having a gold, silver, and blue tint, especially in theatres. Just my opinion and memory, nothing more. And those screenshots look incredible. Almost makes me want to sell my Theatrical Edition blus were I not such a completionist. Back to lurking I go. Carry on.

You are right. Hence the Box art being Green for EE

[Romansh]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

Same here......just hoping the actual disc does not have this issue.

Apparently these captures are from the discs rather than rips:

Originally Posted by Rik1138

Anyone see these? Disc to disc comparisons:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58588
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58590
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58593
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58594
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58596
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/58599

Originally Posted by Rik1138

No conversion or altering of any kind was done to them. Captured from a player and saved with no compression.

The screenshots weren't captured properly, however:

Originally Posted by 42041

Those are not converted to PC levels properly, they're 16-235. Also the original disc doesn't have those aliasing artifacts.
Looks like a big improvement resolution-wise.

Originally Posted by 42041

Conversion is necessary (usually done by your video card or decoder), as blu-ray and PC RGB images do not use the same color encoding. The black bars aren't black, they're at RGB value 16.
A capture with correct levels should look more like this:
http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/4...operlevels.jpg

Regarding the color, it seems that all encodes found on the net (there are a few 1080p and 720p variants) have the same tint. Granted, they're presumably all from the same decrypted source… which should just be a decrypted disc backup; the potential to screw up the color during decryption (as opposed to during re-encoding to H.264) is pretty low, AFAIK.

Originally Posted by WorkShed

Color isn't the same thing as DNR or EE. Color doesn't necessarily "look better in motion."

But you can get used to it. That won't change the fact that the colors aren't faithful to the original BD (and possibly theatrical, can't remember) presentation of the film. Yet I find the result to be quite watchable, despite the "wrong" colors. It looks maybe a bit weird, but not unnatural (it reminds me of one of my Jason Bourne Blu-rays, more than The Matrix - though I've never seen the latter on BD or DVD, only in theaters and on analog cable TV - therefore my memory is a bit fuzzy).

So while a bit disappointing in terms of color, it may still be an interesting (and hopefully enjoyable, for most people) alternative to the theatrical BD. I'm not going to cancel my pre-order over this.

I agree that this color issue is an issue and is a big deal… just not for everyone

[Todd Smith]

^^^^^^My hopes are slowly dwindling!

Having said that, those shots dont look as bad as far as the green goes to my eyes........I wish he had done the mountain pass shot/comparison. Once again, the detailing is a BIG improvement which is a huge positive.

Looking forward to more reliable reviews/comparisons.

[Atreyu]

I think the best for all is just wait for the REAL resease later this month.

[Goldengirl]

Originally Posted by Cook

Shoot him, cut out his tongue, and shave that scraggly beard!

Hit him over the head with Andrew Lesnie's FotR Oscar!


From what I've seen of the screencaps, the detail is indeed great. It does look like the facial tones have too much been drained of color--yes, they were too red at first, now they look too pale. And yes, the snow is too green. But I believe that when the disc gets here (golly, I've waited for this forever!) I'm going to enjoy the heck out of it!

[Rik1138]

Originally Posted by Romansh

Apparently these captures are from the discs rather than rips:

The screenshots weren't captured properly, however:

The screenshots were captured using broadcast TV color levels. If set to full range (0-255), they appear slightly darker, and possibly with a little more detail in the darkest/lightest areas. It's mostly just a contrast difference, the overall color is still the same (the green tint is still there).

While it's fairly obvious that there's a color difference when toggling between images like this, if you were just sitting in front if your TV watching the entire movie (and not playing the TE right next to it), you are likely to not really even notice there's a tint to it. (Granted, _we_ probably will now since we've been discussing it...). Or, at the very least, will get used to it. Yeah, it might annoy some no matter what, but I think a majority of people won't care once they are watching the film...

[radagast]

Originally Posted by WorkShed

I'm sorry, that is ridiculous. Snow is not green.

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Yea, but sometimes it's yellow.

Darn it. You beat me to it!

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

Yes, it's a good thing he changed his mind. Bladorthin would be a good name for a spokesman for Depends.

McKellen is about old enough to do those commercials.

[Strevlac]

Originally Posted by Goldengirl

Hit him over the head with Andrew Lesnie's FotR Oscar!

Some scenes in Fellowship look good. Lots of scenes don't, and it seemes like there was a pecipitous falloff for the two sequels. Too much digital grading post-production tweaks. I dunno why Lesnie won an Oscar, as it's not a very good-looking film at all.

I can only imagine what these would have looked like if shot by someone like Jordan Cronenweth (if he were still alive), Vittorio Storaro, Allen Daviau, John Alcott etc...

[42041]

Originally Posted by Strevlac

I dunno why Lesnie won an Oscar, as it's not a very good-looking film at all.

Much like Avatar's DP, I think the academy gave him the effects artists' award.
I don't really have much against the cinematography but there were stronger contenders that year IMO.

[frogmort]

Watch out where the huskies go, and don't you eat that yellow (or green) snow.

[horizonline]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Yea, but sometimes it's yellow.


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I'm not finding this amusing.

[Petyr_Baelish]

http://www.annarbor.com/entertainmen...tion-pictures/

[Andrewtst]

I found 3 Sample Video rip from LOTR-EE BD, encode in 1080P | +/-12Mbps Video Bitrate | DTS-ES 6.1 Audio | MKV format | +/- 150MB per sample

Post here for references only, if moderator think it is not appropriate, you may remove it.

LOTR1 - The Fellowship of the Ring

http://www.fileserve.com/file/sjqppC3/LOTR-1-sample.mkv

LOTR2 - The Two Towers

http://www.fileserve.com/file/aY7z8PQ/LOTR-2-SAMPLE.mkv

LOTR3 - The Return of the King

http://www.fileserve.com/file/YnvgdeA/LOTR-3-SAMPLE.mkv



** The sample video is not rip by me, I can't 100% confirm whether it was rip from LOTR-EE BD or not. But after testing, it looks real.
*** The sample video is Wow! It look gorgeous! The clarity is extreme! Can't wait my pre-ordered BD arrive now.