Go back and reread the last few pages and you will find that most of the "fussing" and "complaining" is in regard to the colors being changed from how Peter Jackson intended the film to look. If you don't like the original color scheme from previous releases, that's fine, but realize you don't like Peter Jackson's original color aesthetics for the film. There is no debate his level of involvement in the original EE DVDs and the colors from that are far different than what we are seeing here with this new release.
I like the original coloring, but I also like the new coloring. If the re-master kept the original coloring and the detail was on par with this, I'd still buy it.
Go back and reread the last few pages and you will find that most of the "fussing" and "complaining" is in regard to the colors being changed from how Peter Jackson intended the film to look. If you don't like the original color scheme from previous releases, that's fine, but realize you don't like Peter Jackson's original color aesthetics for the film. There is no debate his level of involvement in the original EE DVDs and the colors from that are far different than what we are seeing here with this new release.
You know the Fellowship DVD looks exactly how PJ wanted it to look....how? Do you know him personally? Has he told you this himself? Are you saying he doesn't have the right to ever change his mind about how he wants HIS film to look? Please, share your inarguable inside information, oh wise one!
Has anyone on here actually viewed an original store bought copy of these movies?
Seems unlikely, unless online stores count. There are I think 2 people* who posted screenshots which claim to be from the actual BD rather than a rip (of course, we only have their word).
For me, I find the BD better in every instance (noting that in the fotr3 pic, the image of Frodo should have him being that pale, given what had happened to him)
Though again, I feel it's all moot until we get actual screenshots from legit reviewers, who would and should have legal access to the actual BD discs themselves.
Regardless of this tinting issue and whether or not its intentional or an accident, this is still the worst release of the entire blu-ray format's history. I don't necessarily mean from a technical standpoint but it appears that is falling below par as well, I mean from a simple cashgrab by Warner. This is THE prime example of everything that is wrong with the major studios today. Where do I begin?
1. Mediocre to reasonable quality on a set that has no reason to be anything less than perfect.
2. Absolutely needless splitting of 2 of the 3 movies. The first 2 have no business whatsoever being split. They're simply being split as a way of adding more discs to drive up the price and now with this evidence of Fellowship's subpar transfer, it did little to nothing to enhance the VQ.
3. 9 DVD's. That's all that needs to be said. This entire set should've been 7 discs maximum. 10 if you insist on digital copies. FOTR and TTT on 1 blu-ray disc with the bonuses all in SD(since it appears they were natively shot in SD) on another blu-ray disc with ROTK split over 2 blu-rays and the extras being on the 3rd. This is all this massive abortion should have. Not 15 discs in any shape or form.
Regardless of this tinting issue and whether or not its intentional or an accident, this is still the worst release of the entire blu-ray format's history. I don't necessarily mean from a technical standpoint but it appears that is falling below par as well, I mean from a simple cashgrab by Warner. This is THE prime example of everything that is wrong with the major studios today. Where do I begin?
1. Mediocre to reasonable quality on a set that has no reason to be anything less than perfect.
2. Absolutely needless splitting of 2 of the 3 movies. The first 2 have no business whatsoever being split. They're simply being split as a way of adding more discs to drive up the price and now with this evidence of Fellowship's subpar transfer, it did little to nothing to enhance the VQ.
3. 9 DVD's. That's all that needs to be said. This entire set should've been 7 discs maximum. 10 if you insist on digital copies. FOTR and TTT on 1 blu-ray disc with the bonuses all in SD(since it appears they were natively shot in SD) on another blu-ray disc with ROTK split over 2 blu-rays and the extras being on the 3rd. This is all this massive abortion should have. Not 15 discs in any shape or form.
I agree that these should be perfect. I don't agree that they shouldn't have been split up (or at least the first two). The higher bit rate does show massive improvement in detail in all the films. I also think that the intermissions in all the films are in smart places. Each intermission comes up in a logical place and doesn't stop the action.
Finally, I ABSOLUTELY agree that all the DVDs should have been put onto 1-2 discs. Alien Anthology has as much SD features as the Lord of the Rings and all those features fit on 1 BD. Lord of the Rings should have 1 BD as well, not 6 extra DVDs.
You know the Fellowship DVD looks exactly how PJ wanted it to look....how? Do you know him personally? Has he told you this himself? Are you saying he doesn't have the right to ever change his mind about how he wants HIS film to look? Please, share your inarguable inside information, oh wise one!
Try not to be such an smartass and try doing your homework. We don't know the extent of his involvement in this particular release and if this is how he wants the film to look now, I will have to accept it. But we do know FOR A FACT that he personally oversaw the original theatrical DVDs and the original Extended Edition DVDs.
The Original HD Masters
Back when The Lord of the Rings films were made in 2001, 2002 and 2003, as part of the archiving process, HD masters were created for each of the three films when they originally debuted in cinemas. Evan Edelist, in charge of HD mastering for New Line Post Production, had helped institute this policy of mastering all new NL releases to HD for archival purposes back in the 90's and it was pretty much industry standard procedure by the time of LOTR. These are the HD masters that would have been used for mastering the DVDs, and broadcast masters for HD channels, etc. This was well before HD-DVD and the ultimate industry standard, Blu-ray, even came into being.
New Line and LOTR in HD
Over the years since the original DVD release, New Line had long-contemplated the release of LOTR on HD. I have a string of emails regarding LOTR on HD that go all the way back to 2001! At the time, the plan was to release an Ultimate HD Box Set with entirely new materials - and we had begun planning for this with Peter as far back as when The Fellowship of the Ring was in post-production in 2001. Dialogue and planning about this continued off and on for years after the release of LOTR on DVD up until late 2007. New Line was waiting for the format war to end before moving forward with the project.
Warner Bros. and the New LOTR HD Masters
Then, in early 2008, New Line Cinema was absorbed into Warner Brothers, and Warner Home Video inherited New Line's catalogue of titles - including The Lord of the Rings.
Keep in mind, at this point, New Line's Home Entertainment Division was essentially folded, and none of the original personnel who worked on the LOTR DVDs were left. This left the LOTR legacy to a whole new home entertainment group to supervise. However, a few key folks from New Line Home Entertainment remained for a brief transition period. Among them was Mike Mulvihill, New Line's Senior VP of Content Development - who I worked hand-in-hand with in the trenches for many years and through many challenges on the LOTR DVDs.
When Warner Home Video took over the New Line catalogue of titles, they were very eager to put LOTR out on Blu-ray. However, the original HD masters of LOTR were nearly a decade old at this point, and HD mastering technology had improved over the past 10 years - so the question was whether to release the old HD masters on BD as is - or create new ones.
So, one of Mike Mulvihill's last goals while still in his position at New Line Home Entertainment was to create a test for Peter Jackson - comparing the old HD masters to new HD transfers for a clip from each of the three films - as a back-to-back comparison.
Peter concurred that new HD masters were in order - and also wanted to do some tweaks to the color correction of the films as well. Andrew Lesnie, the films' director of photography, was brought in to help make these corrections, and help approve the new HD masters for BD. Once Andrew approved the masters, WHV moved into production on the discs.
The theatrical edition of the Blu Rays was REMARKABLY similar to the EE colors for the Extended Edition weren't they? We know that at the very least Peter Jackson approved of the colors for the theatrical Blu Rays. Why the sudden change of heart in Fellowship's color scheme when only a year ago he was happy with it? Doesn't make sense unless Jackson didn't have a heavy hand in this particular release which makes sense considering he is busy with The Hobbit. It's a cash grab by Warner Bros. pure and simple and so long as people are okay with it, it will have paid off for Warner Bros.
Last edited by greg_achen; 06-13-2011 at 01:02 AM.
From AVS Quote:
Originally Posted by ohlawds
As promised, here is a comparison between the EE DVD and the EE BLU RAY (I took the pictures, that people have been posting here):
And I will take the remastered EE bluray any day of the week over the poor transfer sported on the TE. There are maybe 2 shots where the TE looks better from a color timing perspective. The colors as a whole are richer period on the EE. The film has a green push anyway. The EE with the richer color palette just exemplifies the change. Again the detail on the new transfer and overall richer picture of the EE easily makes it the one I want. My fear is the 1st film is going to overshadow the other two from a detail perspective so I might just be waiting the last 2 to get remastered.
Seems unlikely, unless online stores count. There are I think 2 people* who posted screenshots which claim to be from the actual BD rather than a rip (of course, we only have their word).
* IIRC, that would be Funkyfish and Rik1138.
Then they should prove it by posting pictures of their sets
I agree that these should be perfect. I don't agree that they shouldn't have been split up (or at least the first two). The higher bit rate does show massive improvement in detail in all the films. I also think that the intermissions in all the films are in smart places. Each intermission comes up in a logical place and doesn't stop the action.
Finally, I ABSOLUTELY agree that all the DVDs should have been put onto 1-2 discs. Alien Anthology has as much SD features as the Lord of the Rings and all those features fit on 1 BD. Lord of the Rings should have 1 BD as well, not 6 extra DVDs.
No, I was saying each movie should have 2 blu-rays. One with the movie and one with the bonuses. Excluding ROTK of course which should properly have 2 discs for the movie and a 3rd for bonuses. I don't know if you could get all 6 dvd's onto one single blu-ray but if you can, then yes that is how it should've been done.
The theatrical edition of the Blu Rays was REMARKABLY similar to the EE colors for the Extended Edition weren't they? We know that at the very least Peter Jackson approved of the colors for the theatrical Blu Rays. Why the sudden change of heart in Fellowship's color scheme when only a year ago he was happy with it? Doesn't make sense unless Jackson didn't have a heavy hand in this particular release which makes sense considering he is busy with The Hobbit.
Considering that the theatrical blu-ray transfer for Fellowship of the Ring was drawn from an old HDTV broadcast master, not en entirely new remaster of it, I'm going to say that this is a moot point. Also, having just attended a screening of The Fellowship of the Ring in Austin, TX that used an original print from 2001, the film very definitely had a bolder, and yes, greener tint than any previous home video release, I'm going to trust what I saw with my own eyes ten years ago and what I saw with my own eyes two days ago.
Considering that the theatrical blu-ray transfer for Fellowship of the Ring was drawn from an old HDTV broadcast master, not en entirely new remaster of it, I'm going to say that this is a moot point. Also, having just attended a screening of The Fellowship of the Ring in Austin, TX that used an original print from 2001, the film very definitely had a bolder, and yes, greener tint than any previous home video release, I'm going to trust what I saw with my own eyes ten years ago and what I saw with my own eyes two days ago.
And I am going to trust the words spoken by people who actually worked on the films and DVDs over anyone's memory.
And I am going to trust the words spoken by people who actually worked on the films and DVDs over anyone's memory.
Then don't buy the blu-rays. WB doesn't monitor this forum, why not take your issues up with them personally? Arguing here is pointless. Some of us actually like the way the new master looks. But since your word is fact, I guess that makes our opinions invalid. Thanks for helping me understand that.
From AVS Quote:
Originally Posted by ohlawds
As promised, here is a comparison between the EE DVD and the EE BLU RAY (I took the pictures, that people have been posting here)
Sorry to repeat myself, but is that from an original blu-ray disc from the manufacturer, or a copy?
Then don't buy the blu-rays. WB doesn't monitor this forum, why not take your issues up with them personally? Arguing here is pointless. Some of us actually like the way the new master looks. But since your word is fact, I guess that makes our opinions invalid. Thanks for helping me understand that.
Um, I wasn't aware this forum had a policy that only the positives of a Blu Ray release are to be discussed and not anything negative. Should this "positive only" policy also be implemented in their reviews here as well since discussing anything negative is frowned upon and deemed "pointless?" Knock off the personal attacks and stick to the debate, smart guy.
most of us? You are joking right
Most of us think it looks amazing. This nitpicking is absurd there is nothing wrong with the release the PQ is incredible on these new releases
We can agree to disagree....the green push looks terrible to my eyes and MANY others as evidenced by comments here and at AVS. You like it, great.....go enjoy and stop worrying about the rest of us
Last edited by Todd Smith; 06-13-2011 at 01:28 AM.
Would they be okay with this if it was a brown tint? How about pink, or purple?
I honestly just don't understand how anyone would want green snow and skies, and sickly looking skin tones.
Exactly..... Hard to believe so many are OK with FOTG as this release will be known.
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Go back and reread the last few pages and you will find that most of the "fussing" and "complaining" is in regard to the colors being changed from how Peter Jackson intended the film to look. If you don't like the original color scheme from previous releases, that's fine, but realize you don't like Peter Jackson's original color aesthetics for the film. There is no debate his level of involvement in the original EE DVDs and the colors from that are far different than what we are seeing here with this new release.
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