The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

So you dont think its possible that with the remaster of FOTR he had the chance to grade the sequences that were not graded back in 2001 such as this mountain section? It seems possible to me to be honest, but who knows..........This definitely puts a different perspective on things for me though..........

I am all ****ing confused at this point to be honest! If the films colors had just been left alone like TT and ROTK, NONE of this speculation would be happening and this release would be much more exciting for MANY of us!

I'd say not worry about it and go see Towers and King next week and the week after. Take your mind off of it. And when it's released, seek it at Blockbuster if they are able to get it.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

Weren't almost all the Shire scenes graded though in the original release? What would explain his decision to go from a golden hue to something more green in those early scenes?

EDIT: Looks like Stinky-Dinkins and I posted roughly the same thing at the same time. lol

That is a good point......

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by JLTucker

I'd say not worry about it and go see Towers and King next week and the week after. Take your mind off of it. And when it's released, seek it at Blockbuster if they are able to get it.

I have no interest in seeing these in the theater to be honest. Much more excited to watch them at home. The money spent going to see these at the theater would get me at least half way to the blu purchase all things considered as well.

Unfortunately all the BBs in my area have closed I dont know of any rental places around here anymore actually besides RedBox.....crazy. RedBox and mail rental is taking over it seems.

[ckocher]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Bollocks. If Jackson wanted Fellowship to look this way, he would have done so ten years ago. How many theatrical releases and home video releases has the film enjoyed? Now, for this one release, it suddenly looks the way it was always intended to?

Go peddle that on some other street corner. I ain't buyin today.

So there's no chance that the rush on the production with the trilogy he was not able to do some added color timing for FOTR? He hasn't filmed a movie in nearly 2 years now, maybe he just recently found to time to correct the issues he had and the extended Blu ray was the perfect opportunity.

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Bollocks. If Jackson wanted Fellowship to look this way, he would have done so ten years ago. How many theatrical releases and home video releases has the film enjoyed? Now, for this one release, it suddenly looks the way it was always intended to?

Go peddle that on some other street corner. I ain't buyin today.

+1

Also, according to Tolkien, Middle Earth is this earth, just the middle time period. I don't think the skies were green, and the snow blue back in ancient times.

I just finished reading 'The Lord Of The Rings' last night, and I'm off work tomorrow, so I'm going to go watch my LOTR TE blu-rays.

You guys have a good night!

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

You are right as I just read the thread. I also find this info interesting from a poster over there which would actually support the green/teal snow, sky, etc.......not being a mistake which makes sense to me to be honest........

The theory that makes the most sense is that the original theatrical timing for the snow sequence was too earth-like for Jackson. If you listen to him in the featurette about color, he says they deliberately wanted to not have realistic colors for the Trilogy so that one would not get the impression it was earth. That's the main intention behind all grading in LOTR. With the remaster of FOTR he had the chance to grade the sequences that were not graded back in 2001 (FOTR in theaters was the only one not entirely graded digitally), and looking at the snow scenes in the TE and comparing them to the shots from the EE I actually would agree with Jackson. The theatrical looks like earth, or "real", the newly mastered EE looks slightly non-earthly, just as all the other graded scenes.
Is it revisionist? Yes. But IMHO in much better taste than Jabba in Ep 4 ;

I have to be honest........after reading that info as far as Jacksons goals which were NOT to have a "real" look so things dont get mistaken for Earth, the green not only makes sense, but sure looks to be deliberate.

What do you fellow green questioners think about this? Wish I had read this info about a week ago! lol..............

I have been saying all along that this was deliberate as the the PQ in general was handled with care and it's HIGHLY UNLIKELY these were screwed up. In addition, it was already reported PJ directed the new coloring. People still won't believe it! LOL Also one should always be skeptical of screenshots by some anonymous person. Amazing how many people blindly accept them like sheep when they don't know the source and technique used. Someone easily could have pulled a prank on these people.

[Red Pill 101]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

So you dont think its possible that with the remaster of FOTR he had the chance to grade the sequences that were not graded back in 2001 such as this mountain section? It seems possible to me to be honest, but who knows..........This definitely puts a different perspective on things for me though..........

I am all ****ing confused at this point to be honest! If the films colors had just been left alone like TT and ROTK, NONE of this speculation would be happening and this release would be much more exciting for MANY of us!

ME TOOO!!!!

I've been following this thread VERY closely the last couple of days but haven't posted. We all, despite opinions, obviously LOVE these films.

Why did they have to F' with it!? I think we would have all been much more complacent had they mirrored and matched the look of the latter two films while simply correcting the issues present in the FotR Theatrical Blu!

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

I have been saying all along that this was deliberate as the the PQ in general was handled with care and it's HIGHLY UNLIKELY these were screwed up; also one should always be skeptical of screenshots by some anonymous person. Amazing how many people blindly accept them like sheep when they don't know the source and technique used. Someone easily could have pulled a prank on these people.

Read back a few posts. That featurette was about the original theatrical release and has nothing whatsoever to do with the new BD release.

In fact, everything Jackson said in the featurette color timing wise was changed for this BD release.

If anything, it makes the green tint even more suspect.

[gstriftos]

Originally Posted by MEB

The featurette they are referring to is a discussion of the digital color grading done for the original theatrical release (in theaters), NOT for the extended edition on Blu-ray!

That's a very important distinction. If Jackson went to such careful lengths to get the color exactly how he wanted it the first time, why is he monkeying with it now?

Something just doesn't smell right in this whole thing.

Here is the featurette they are referring to:

YouTube - ‪LOTR Digital Color Grading Part 1 of 2‬‏

Mark

Thank you Mark!

But that one made me:

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

I am all ****ing confused at this point to be honest!

[dcowboy7]

Im just glad Jackson didnt intend for us to jump off a roof too.

[Maggot]

I'll wait for more reviews and screens, but at this point I'm seriously considering staying away from this release, which is too bad, because I was really looking forward to this and shelling out again for these. I'd rather have the softer image in the first Blu-rays even if these are sharper. That tint is way over the top. I'm sorry, but green tinted whites are a sham. It's one thing for a movie like the Matrix to have the green/yellow tint, it's another for something like these movies. I don't even believe the word that's out stating Jackson wanted it this way. Sorry, I don't buy it and even it's it's true, guess what....it doesn't work. This idea the green tint makes it look less like plain old earth? WTF? He's got a serious color perception issue with his eyesight that doesn't transpose well into his artistic ideas. Or perhaps it's just a huge coverup for a huge screwup at the studio?

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Read back a few posts. That featurette was about the original theatrical release and has nothing whatsoever to do with the new BD release.

In fact, everything Jackson said in the featurette color timing wise was changed for this BD release.

If anything, it makes the green tint even more suspect.

Kevin Costner "approved" the extended cut of Dances With Wolves, too, only to state proudly some 10 years later, that he never worked on it.

After all the *****ing about the video quality on the theatrical blu-ray release, Jackson probably asked that Fellowship receive a new transfer...meanwhile, he has to prep and shoot two movies simultaneously, and wind up in the hospital to boot.

Sounds like someone tasked with remastering the film saw all the "magenta" and decided someone screwed up somewhere, and retimed it to put back all that green that was intentionally removed in the first place. Did Jackson watch all three hours? Or did he get an overview and sign off on it? Did he even see it to begin with? Now that the cake is baked, is he in an uncomfortable position to try and unbake it, and replace all those millions of Blu-Rays shipping out all over the world? Lucas released Star Wars onto DVD with reversed sound tracks and bizarre blue fizz video noise around the Death Star explosion and pink lightsabres - and then had the balls to say it was all intentional so as to not swallow the cost of issuing a recall.

I'm not saying Jackson's lying about this release. Just sayin' other high profile directors of highly-visible, popular cultural tentpole films have tried to bullshit their way out of similar situations with the "that's how it's supposed to look/sound" garbage.

Maybe for the mega box set in 2015....

[Stinky-Dinkins]

People over at AVS who have seen the new theatrical screening said they can detect no tint whatsoever, and that in the beginning PJ said specifically the new master for the theatrical presentation was the same used to make these EE BD's... which means something was altered with the BD's.

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Lucas released Star Wars onto DVD with reversed sound tracks and bizarre blue fizz video noise around the Death Star explosion and pink lightsabres - and then had the balls to say it was all intentional so as to not swallow the cost of issuing a recall.

Lucas also had the balls to say, when talking about why he endlessly tinkers with them, that the original SW films as they were originally presented were mere "workprint" versions. In the battle of the big crazy balls Lucas wins.

Case closed Ernest!

Originally Posted by dcowboy7

Im just glad Jackson didnt intend for us to jump off a roof too.

Is this known for an absolute fact?

I'm staying up on the roof until he definitively responds. I'm also painting it green just in case.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Sounds like someone tasked with remastering the film saw all the "magenta" and decided someone screwed up somewhere, and retimed it to put back all that green that was intentionally removed in the first place.

Now that I have seen screen caps from the real thing, I had the same thought. The overall reaction I acquire from looking at these is just "dull". The life seems to have been graded from the images.

[Cobra33]

huh

[42041]

Just to keep some of the negativity in check, it's still worth noting that the people who've actually seen the discs so far seem to come away with a very positive opinion of them.

[Petyr_Baelish]

Originally Posted by 42041

Just to keep some of the negativity in check, it's still worth noting that the people who've actually seen the discs so far seem to come away with a very positive opinion of them.

Also, the people who saw them in the theater.

[Red Pill 101]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

People over at AVS who have seen the new theatrical screening said they can detect no tint whatsoever, and that in the beginning PJ said specifically the new master for the theatrical presentation was the same used to make these EE BD's... which means something was altered with the BD's.

Then what happened!? I'm not personally asking you...I think we are all just frustrated! Either these screen shots are ALL FAKE (which I doubt), or someone screwed up somewhere.

In my opinion, it sounds like a fact that the current theatrical presentation is how Jackson wants the film to look. To the best of his knowledge, this is also how the EE Blu should/will also look as well.

I think it's safe to say, that at this point they DO NOT look the same.

[indy7solo]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

Now that I have seen screen caps from the real thing,...

This is what I don't understand, where has anyone posted the "real" screen caps. We only know for sure three trusted people have the actual physical discs. None of them has posted a picture or screen cap from their discs. One has said they see a green tint on the mountain, but not the scene immediately before. The other two have raved about the image.

All of the images we are seeing are from a dump file, that is illegal, and we have no idea what might have happened to the image while it was ripped. So until some established sites that post screen caps with their reviews post some images, you guys should withhold canceling your pre-orders.

Deep breaths and patience people.

[Ernest Rister]

Lucas also had the balls to say, when talking about why he endlessly tinkers with them, that the original SW films as they were originally presented were mere "workprint" versions. In the battle of the big crazy balls Lucas wins.

Case closed Ernest!

And the fact that Lucas said he is never finished screwing with his movies somehow explains his company's outright lies about all the technical goofs on the SW DVDs? Oh, Lucas always intended for the Death Star explosion to look like your TV is getting bad reception. Oh, and Lucas always wanted the surround tracks to be reversed for some bizarre reason. Pay no attention to your own eyes and ears and common sense.

Case of the big crazy balls is indeed closed.