The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Romansh]

Originally Posted by indy7solo

Romansh
Thanks for clearing up any details of the origin I was ignorant too.

Regardless, still wait for the images from the actual retail discs.

Also, regarding the Hunt comparison?, regardless if it is still a bit green, it is no where near as egregious as the shot it is comparing against.

Agreed.

Here's (yet another) comparison.

First, a capture of the Polish/Thai BD dump played directly in VLC vs. a capture of a HandBrake MP4 re-encode (of the same BD dump) also played in VLC (nothing to see, they look the same):

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/59881

Then, the same MP4 as above, played in VLC vs. QuickTime X:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/59885

The QuickTime capture is still tinted, but the result isn't as bad as the same file played in VLC.

Edit: one more…

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/59888

The QuickTime version is probably still a bit green, but when compared to the same file in VLC, I'd say it looks kind of blue.

Edit 2: XBMC appears to match QuickTime. I wonder what's up with VLC (funny thing is that most captures I've seen look like they've been taken with VLC).

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/59893

Edit 3: MPlayer (or at least, MPlayer OSX Extended), on the other hand, matches VLC.

The point of the comparison being that most of the captures which have been posted look more like my VLC captures (IMO) and seem to exacerbate the problem.

[NYorker]

I say let's make the folks at WB turn green by having a mass order cancellation...

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

How would the transfers be accidentally turned green? That makes less sense then asking why they would intentionally do it.

Not neccessarily - Steven Spielberg is known to be particularly fastidious when it comes to home video releases of his films, because (as he says) that is the way the majority of people will see them. He is famous for personally overseeing the transfers, and yet, despite all this, Saving Private Ryan made it to market with an awkward audio sync error causing a later recall.

As far as color timing, Roy Disney oversaw the digital restoration of the True Life Adventures (as they were close to his heart, culturally important, and historically groundbreaking and influential). And yet an entire short True-Life feature - Prowlers of the Everglades - came to market with an accidental mastering error in which the entire cyan layer of the color film was left out, causing the film to have an unnatural, red tint. Red alligators, red swamp water, red cranes - no one could have seen it without realizing something was wrong, but the accident made it to disc. Disney later quietly replaced the discs for those who comlpained.

I'll say again, I think Jackson is a very busy man right now, and was even hospitalized earlier this year. The magenta tint was discussed in a documentary regarding the former incarnation of Fellowship. It sounds for all the world that Jackson heard all the complaints about the visual quality of the theatrical Blu-Ray version of Fellowship, ordered a new master, and whoever performed it saw the magenta, and thought it was either a mistake or disagreed with it, and "corrected" it, along with lowering the contrast, and here we are today.

[mrmovielover]

The Reviewer whose name I forgot stated that he saw nothing like the green in the youtube video but there is some shade of cyan blue.

I agree about this. During the theatrical presentation which Jackson stated that this would be what the blu ray would look like there was no green tint at all. There is and added blue feel in some scenes but overall its fantastic and the movie looks 10X better than it used to.

[Bluyoda]

I personally think that someone started this whole "issue" to catch up with the Star Wars BD thread a little in terms of No. of posts.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by Roy Batty

Can't we just agree to disagree, and all have our different opinions or tastes on the matter expressed here as a healthy basis for an enlightening debate?

Agreed. After 2 or more people with different opinions discuss the issue and cant agree, you just have to agree to disagree which I have also mentioned in my posts quite a few times at this point. This is a respectful way to end it when you cant agree.

I strongly agree with you that at the very least offer the original version as we have been watching for nearly 10 years now since that is the version a LOT of us know and love. If they want to change it fine, but offer it as an option since not all people are going to like it (which is clearly obvious going off these LOTR threads alone). I dont feel we should all just have to go along with a major change to a film at any point in the history of the release. We are talking about a film we have been watching for nearly 10 years now and we should all just be "cool" with this change if it truly is meant to look this way? I dont agree with that and IMO either version can be considered "director intent" at that point and both should be considered valid.

I think a LOT of this would be put to rest if we could get some sort of official type statement (the one we have is questionable at best IMO) from the man himself that the "actual" blu ray is as intended and if its not, then it needs to be fixed. I certainly dont think this is an unreasonable request at this point. Not saying this will make people like who dont, but at least we would know one way or the other if this is actually intended because it certainly does not look right to many of us as evidenced by these threads.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by mredman

you think i should get banned from a thread for telling the truth and not agree with you. So people are not allowed to have different opinions anymore. Jesus what is your problem man

You seriously have the nerve to make this post? Out of ALL the posters in this thread, you have shown the least effort in even trying to understand any opinion but your own. Not just that, but you have shown no ability to be able to agree to disagree in a respectful manner. Please take you own advice and understand that we are allowed to have different opinions, even ones that dont agree with your own. Your posts come off like some sort of automated WHV response any time there is a threatening level of dissatisfaction with a soon to be released questionable product in fear of lost sales.

Do you have the ability to agree to disagree with those of us who dont agree with your opinion?

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Still, until Jackson speaks to the Blu-ray as it is, the debate will not be settled. He could have approved the transfer exactly as it appears. Or he could have approved a transfer that was then mishandled on its way to the disc. There are several steps between it leaving his eyes and arriving on home theater screens. At this point, without any word from him, it is and will remain anyone's guess.

Exactly.........

[Monolithium]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

I personally think that someone started this whole "issue" to catch up with the Star Wars BD thread a little in terms of No. of posts.

Thankfully that will never happen.

Peter Jackson actually cares about the fans. When that happens, the criticism is minimal. Therefore less posts.

[punisher]

Originally Posted by NYorker

I say let's make the folks at WB turn green by having a mass order cancellation...

funny..I cannot access my account on Borders.com....do they know something?

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

How are the Costa Botes documentaries? Do they add anything new to the already extensive 18 hours of bonus features? I never got around to seeing them.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by JLTucker

How are the Costa Botes documentaries? Do they add anything new to the already extensive 18 hours of bonus features? I never got around to seeing them.

They offer a behind-the-scenes perspective of the filming, and feature candid shots and horsing-around by the actors. I watched them for something to do on long flights, but they lack the structure and development of the regular special features.

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

They offer a behind-the-scenes perspective of the filming, and feature candid shots and horsing-around by the actors. I watched them for something to do on long flights, but they lack the structure and development of the regular special features.

Haven't seen em yet but its too bad they aren't anamorphic!!!

Hopefully if we ever get the "Ultimate set" those will be put on BD with the rest of the special features and upgraded to an anamorphic video...

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by threefiftyrocket

Haven't seen em yet but its too bad they aren't anamorphic!!!

Hopefully if we ever get the "Ultimate set" those will be put on BD with the rest of the special features and upgraded to an anamorphic video...

I understand that. SD for the big documentary (which is fantastic by the way) is understandable since it was produced and edited in SD, but nonanamorphic is a crime! However, the Cost docs are not the reason I would buy this. Perfect picture and sound are. Unfortunately, I don't see that here, so I won't buy it until it does...

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by WorkShed

I understand that. SD for the big documentary (which is fantastic by the way) is understandable since it was produced and edited in SD, but nonanamorphic is a crime! However, the Cost docs are not the reason I would buy this. Perfect picture and sound are. Unfortunately, I don't see that here, so I won't buy it until it does...

Exactly! I don't care of the Special Features are standard def, since well I watch them so seldom, and hell I don't even care if they are on DVD or BD, that doesn't matter to me, but come on, it can't be too much work to make them anamorphic instead of using the old encodes... seriously...

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

A series of steps occur in between a transfer's approval and its placement on a final retail disc. And a series of adjustments can be made while putting any transfer on a disc. It isn't as simple as take file A; place on disc A; mass produce...

Yes, as Stinky I think would say...'there are big knobs all over the place to be turned'.

Seriously, yes, several steps requiring interim adjustements. The big ones being -

Color correction is done in the D.I. suite normally with some physical presence-guidance by one of the filmmakers (if alive and kicking) especially if the filmmaker is concerned about the *look* and it hasn’t been completely resolved in the dailies.

It is standard procedure that the color corrected data files are subsequently used as the source for home video and digital cinema versions. Generally, the home video version is created in SMPTE Rec 709 color space (from the film color space of the source files), and rendered out to 2K (2048x1556) .dpx files. A typical post production workflow is that of the 2K data being then transferred to HDCAM SR 4:4:4 (best) tape for distribution….what people here like to refer to as “the HD master”. This is then converted to the final 8-bit 4:2:0 colorspace used for the Blu-ray replication master from which all the progeny is produced.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Ken Brown

Like anything, mistakes can be made. It isn't a common issue, but it does happen once in a great while.

Correcto-mundo!

Check out the incorrectly mastered black level (among other things) on the first Blu-ray issue of Dirty Dancing….

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Dirty...ay/348/#Review

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

There is no insane green tint knob on the console, it’s a point and click type thing with the mouse (when intended) on a ‘hue wheel’.

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

In my mind it is a knob, it is green, and it's about the size of a dinner plate.

You know in submarine movies, when they're taking on massive amounts of water,
and they start cranking those big round valves as fast as they can?
I picture Peter Jackson doing that.

Or maybe this:

[Show spoiler]

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by frogmort

You know in submarine movies, when they're taking on massive amounts of water,
and they start cranking those big round valves as fast as they can?
I picture Peter Jackson doing that.

Or maybe this:

[Show spoiler]

Ha ha... between this and the "HD Erection" thread... consider my day MADE...

[MerrickG]

I do wonder how many of the people who are complaining about the new green color have actually seen the discs themselves.

Just my thoughts.

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by merrick97

I do wonder how many of the people who are complaining about the new green color have actually seen the discs themselves.

Just my thoughts.

I'll be seeing them in about 2 weeks, and as much as I "may" not like them, I'll still enjoy every single minute of my favorite films in STUNNING HD, especially audio! I can't wait to be able to judge this for myself!