The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[nathan_393]

Originally Posted by yojoeski

So you weren't impressed with Gone With The Wind, Wizard Of Oz, North By Northwest, King Kong 1933, 2001: A Space Odyssey?

You're choosing a few titles out of many - they don't necessarily reflect the average. However, I was impressed with those. Also impressed with Blade Runner - all the different transfers - and I think Ridley Scott was only involved in The Final Cut. Matrix I was impressed with too.

But a lot of their catalogue does seem to suffer from mediocre A/V quality - a lot of DNR, etc., so I don't trust them a lot without Jackson's input on the release.

The first time around, putting the films on two DVDs apiece really made them DVD/HT demo flicks - and in many ways, they still are demo pieces. Probably the best DVD's out there. I'd prefer to see that with Blu than to see them squashed onto single discs.

[frogmort]

First of all, Amazon is notorious for getting the technical specs wrong.

Also, the LOTR EE DVDs have DTS-ES 6.1 audio, and the LOTR theatrical blu-rays have DTS-MA 6.1 matrixed(as opposed to discreet).

I seriously doubt that they will be 5.1, and I really hope they are 7.1!

[Slim Jim]

so the films are Guaranteed to be on two discs each?

[nathan_393]

Originally Posted by Slim Jim

so the films are Guaranteed to be on two discs each?

Not necessarily - it's all speculation right now based on an Amazon page.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by frogmort

First of all, Amazon is notorious for getting the technical specs wrong.

Also, the LOTR EE DVDs have DTS-ES 6.1 audio, and the LOTR theatrical blu-rays have DTS-MA 6.1 matrixed(as opposed to discreet).

I seriously doubt that they will be 5.1, and I really hope they are 7.1!

Great points!

[yojoeski]

The dvd's are in 5.1 and since these are basically upconverts, then it stands to reason they'll only be 5.1 and will be split over 2 discs. To answer it, yes it is confirmed they're split.

[Slim Jim]

Originally Posted by yojoeski

The dvd's are in 5.1 and since these are basically upconverts, then it stands to reason they'll only be 5.1 and will be split over 2 discs. To answer it, yes it is confirmed they're split.

Well until I see the announeement there is no chance in hell I will buy this set.

[Miadaskate]

Originally Posted by yojoeski

The dvd's are in 5.1 and since these are basically upconverts, then it stands to reason they'll only be 5.1 and will be split over 2 discs. To answer it, yes it is confirmed they're split.

Nothing is confirmed until New Line or WB confirms it.

[nathan_393]

Originally Posted by yojoeski

The dvd's are in 5.1 and since these are basically upconverts, then it stands to reason they'll only be 5.1 and will be split over 2 discs. To answer it, yes it is confirmed they're split.

Confirmed? Not that I don't believe you, but do you have a source?

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

Great points!

Thanks!
I have the LOTR Theatrical blu-rays, and on the box it says DTS-MA 6.1, but when I play the disc, the display on my receiver scrolls DTS-MA 3/2.1 (5.1), but the little boxes on the display shows the sixth channel lit up(hence the matrixed and not discreet).
Out of curiosity I checked the specs of it on Amazon and sure enough, they got it wrong! It says:
"Product Details
Actors: Elijah Wood, Viggo Mortensen, Ian McKellen, Sean Astin, Liv Tyler
Directors: Peter Jackson
Format: Color, Widescreen, Subtitled
Language: English (DTS-HD High Res Audio), Spanish (Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo)
Subtitles: English, Spanish
Aspect Ratio: 2.40:1
Number of discs: 9
Rated: PG-13 (Parental Guidance Suggested)
Studio: New Line
DVD Release Date: April 6, 2010
Run Time: 557 minutes"

DTS-HD High Res Audio is lossy, not lossless, and this is wrong!

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by yojoeski

The dvd's are in 5.1 and since these are basically upconverts, then it stands to reason they'll only be 5.1 and will be split over 2 discs. To answer it, yes it is confirmed they're split.

No they're not!
The LOTR EE DVDs have DTS-ES 6.1 audio, and the LOTR theatrical blu-rays have DTS-MA 5.1 matrixed(as opposed to discreet).

Edit: Aparently the LOTR TE Blu-ray is - DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 ES Matrix, which means there is an extra channel imbedded in the rear channels with flags that recognise if you have a 6.1 or 7.1 setup, in which case it extrapolates an extra (6.1) channel out of it.

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by yojoeski

The dvd's are in 5.1 and since these are basically upconverts, then it stands to reason they'll only be 5.1 and will be split over 2 discs. To answer it, yes it is confirmed they're split.

There's no confirmation on anything yet, Amazon is NOTORIOUS for not having correct information. Now I'm not saying you're wrong, you may be completely right, but WB has not confirmed anything about this set as of yet. They've even said that the packaging and everything displayed may change... we don't know yet

[yojoeski]

The audio I will grant you it's not confirmed but that picture confirms the movies are split. A picture is worth 1000 words and that picture is the only source I need to prove they're gonna be split.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by nathan_393

What is wrong with people? If you're too lazy to get up after two hours and swap the discs, you probably have some problems.

I rarely (if ever) trust WB to do a catalogue release properly without the input of the directors, and since it doesn't appear PJ is involved on this, extra disc space is probably a good sign.

Do we want to be fatties or do we want a good transfer? I'm sorry, but considering WB's track record, 2 discs are the way to go. Besides, if they did 1 disc and the quality wasn't perfect, everybody would whine again.

First people want better transfers, then when it looks like they might get them, they don't want it spread out over two discs. There's no pleasing people these days.

Of course, if there's only 20-30GB used per disc for the films and they still use six discs, I'll eat my words. But this could be a showcase piece if you all let WB do it right.

For myself it takes me out of the experience when i have to get up and change the discs. I like one continuous flow from beginning to end. The only time I don't mind changing discs was when the movie was made with an intermission in mind such as older classics. The ROTK EE disc swap point was random amd always kills the momentum for me. FOTR and TTT disc swap points weren't as bad though. I think the quality difference will be negligible of its on one or two discs unless you are watching the frame rate the would time when you should be paying attention to the movie anyways. If I can't see the difference in quality while watching the film in normal conditions at normal speed I don't care.

[DaViD Boulet]

Originally Posted by nathan_393

What is wrong with people? If you're too lazy to get up after two hours and swap the discs, you probably have some problems.

I rarely (if ever) trust WB to do a catalogue release properly without the input of the directors, and since it doesn't appear PJ is involved on this, extra disc space is probably a good sign.

Do we want to be fatties or do we want a good transfer? I'm sorry, but considering WB's track record, 2 discs are the way to go. Besides, if they did 1 disc and the quality wasn't perfect, everybody would whine again.

I should be obvious that folks who don't want the movies interrupted by a disc-change aren't "lazy" because they're bothered by getting off the sofa, they simply don't want the art and continuity of the film experience forced to have an interuption that's not an integral part of the film experience.

[Agent Bond]

For myself it takes me out of the experience when i have to get up and change the discs. I like one continuous flow from beginning to end.

This. If the films are not on one disc each, I'll be very disappointed.

[DaViD Boulet]

Originally Posted by yojoeski

The dvd's are in 5.1 and since these are basically upconverts, then it stands to reason they'll only be 5.1 and will be split over 2 discs. To answer it, yes it is confirmed they're split.

Upconverts? What they heck are you people smoking? The BD feature films are not "upconverts" of the SD DVDs. The fact that the audio is 5.1 has nothing to do with the HD image *or* sound orgins for the blu-ray discs. And even if the BDs *were* sourced from the same HD master as the DVDs, that still says nothing about bit-rates necessary for a transparent encode or whether or not one or two discs would be used: a 50GB 1080p authored blu-ray Disc bears no relation to authoring an SD MPEG2 image on an 8GB DVD. Sheesh.

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by yojoeski

The audio I will grant you it's not confirmed but that picture confirms the movies are split. A picture is worth 1000 words and that picture is the only source I need to prove they're gonna be split.

Sorry, I didn't mean to act like a doucher!

I agree that if it comes with 9 DVDs and there are 15 discs in the package that leaves 6, so yeah.
By the way, I think it's cool the discs have some cool artwork on them. It looks like each disc has its own unique artwork.
I think the 3 blu-ray cases sticking out of the box look very classy!
I just can't believe they're giving us 9 DVDs instead of putting them on maybe 3 blus.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet

I should be obvious that folks who don't want the movies interrupted by a disc-change aren't "lazy" because they're bothered by getting off the sofa, they simply don't want the art and continuity of the film experience forced to have an interuption that's not an integral part of the film experience.

That is pretty much the way I see it; sometimes I don't want to take a break at "You shall be called the Fellowship of the Ring". The maximum amount of picture and audio information is important, but it is satisfying to have a movie contained on one disc. For an audio comparison, I also felt the same way when Tommy (The Who) was re-released as a single CD version compared to the two disc original release.

[Cook]

I do like that packaging, though. Its my precious and i wants it now!